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<p><div dir="ltr">I just asked permission to add those phrases to the project. I 'll wait until I get a reply before I add them to the Bible Reconstruction Project.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-09 15:52 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roellingua@gmail.com" target="_blank">roellingua@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><div dir="ltr">I found an online reconstruction of the Codex Gissensis in an article by Magnus Snaedal: <a href="https://www.academia.edu/871989/The_Gothic_Text_of_Codex_Gissensis" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/871989/The_Gothic_Text_of_Codex_Gissensis</a><div><br></div><div>I 'll add it to the Bible Reconstruction project files.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-09 15:33 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roellingua@gmail.com" target="_blank">roellingua@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Edmund, I will translate all instances of wisdom with handugei and when Koebler mentions a word with * ?, I 'll not use it, as you explain quite well why these words can be misleading. <div><br></div><div>I have already translated this part of Corinthians. I 'll take a look over it all again and look up the Greek words from the Greek version in Wulfila.be, in that way I can check which words corresponds best to the words in this part of Corinthians.</div><div><br></div><div>Especially for future purposes, I think it's worth it to try to translate the missing parts, so although not everything is attested, I don't think that we should lose our motivation to translate the rest, as a full New Testament in Gothic might be valuable to future generations, especially if the wish of some of us to have church services in Gothic changes in more than a dream and can be realized, we'll need a full new testament, although some parts are reconstructed.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-09 0:50 GMT+01:00 <a href="mailto:edmundfairfax@yahoo.ca" target="_blank">edmundfairfax@yahoo.ca</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
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<p>One of the (many) problems with Koebler's dictionary is the overanaylsis of words and then the listing of the broken-down elements separately as if there were in fact attested independent elements. (Since 'undar-' is a well-attested morpheme, he assumes then that weisei must have been a separate element.) The danger in this approach becomes most apparent when applied to a more familiar language, namely, Mod. English, such that one analyzes 'werewolf' as consisting of two independent nouns, and then list 'were' as an independent substantive, which it, of course, is not; or alternatively take 'cranberry' and list 'cran' as a separate noun as well. Such a method is outrightly misleading about usage. There is simply no guarantee that weisei was an independent word in Wulfilian Gothic. And it seems unwarranted to use it as such simply because of Koebler's questionable lexicographical practices.</p><div><br></div><div>As to 'frodei,' it translates 'sophia' (L2,52) only once; more often it corresponds to 'intellect, understanding, sensibleness, prudence.' And 'snutrei' is extant only twice. In contrast, 'handugei' translates 'sophia' eighteen times. Thus, it seems fairly clear that the word of choice to translate 'sophia' / 'wisdom' is in fact handugei.</div><div><br></div><div>Edmund<br><div><div><br><br>---In <a href="mailto:Gothic-L@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">Gothic-L@yahoogroups.com</a>, <anheropl0x@...> wrote :<span><br><br><div>If I might point out, Edmund, Köbler's dictionary does have handugei as wisdom. As well as snutrei, (theoretical) weisei, and frodei.</div></span></div></div></div><p></p>
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