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<DIV>About the differences in sense between the words for a giant: I read
somewhere that, if I recall it right, the Norse "risi" suggested size, "joetunn"
strength, and "thurs" stupidity. I also think I read somewhere that the first of
these was related to the English verb "rise", or Norse "risa". But if the
original form is something like "wrisja" this is presumably not so.</DIV>
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<DIV>One last thing, a question from someone that does not know how to
reconstruct original forms of Germanic words, or any other for that matter: if
"thauris" is an a-stem, how is it declined, e.g., what is the genitive?</DIV>
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<DIV>Gerry T.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 02/03/2015 03:08:00 GMT Standard Time,
gothic-l@yahoogroups.com writes:</DIV>
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<P><SPAN>In one of my earlier posts, I attempted to reconstruct the word for
'giant' in Gothic. There was an error in the reconstruction, and the following
then is meant as a correction.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Based on the cognates OE 'thyrs,' ON 'thurs,' and OHG 'dhuris,'
together with the Latinized Gothic name 'Thorismundus' (= *Thaurismunds), the
late Proto-Germanic form would have been *'thur(i)saz,' and </SPAN>the
expected Gothic form *'thauris' (masc a-stem).</P>
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<P>There was, however, more than one term for 'giant' in Germanic. ON 'risi,'
OHG 'riso' (> ModG 'Riese') and OS 'wrisi-lik' 'enormous' suggest a
proto-form *'wrisjan' (masc. n-stem) 'giant.' A Hellenized Gothic name found
in Procopius (BG 3,35), to wit, 'Rhisioulphos' (= *Wrisjawulfs) suggests that
the reflex of this second term was also known in Gothic, namely, *'wrisja'
(masc. n-stem).</P>
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<P>How these - and a few other - Germanic terms differed in meaning, if at
all, is hard to say.</P>
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<P>It might noted further here that while we tend to think of giants as
invariably huge, monstrously big, the giants of the ancient north appear to
have been a far more variable race. Saxo Grammaticus (1, 13) relates a story
of a king named Gram, who "impersonated a giant," thus: "he put on goat-skins
to intimidate anyone who appeared in his path" and was "accoutred thus in an
assortment of animal hides, with a terrifying club in his right hand."</P>
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<P>We hear later (1, 21) of his son Hading, who attracted the amorous
attention of a giantess:</P>
<P><BR></P>
<P>"When he pointed out that the size of her body was unwieldy for human
embraces and the way she was built undoubtedly suggested that she came from
giant stock, she replied:</P>
<P>'Don't let the si ght of my strange largeness affect you. I can make the
substance of my body small or great, now thin, now capacious. Sometimes I
shrivel at will, sometimes expand. At one moment my stature reaches the skies,
at another I can gather myself into the narrower proportions of men.'"</P>
<P><BR></P>
<P>The Eddas also speak of the gods mating with giants. It would appear then
that size alone was not the main distinguishing feature of ancient Nordic
giants, if Saxo and the Eddas are truly representative of earlier beliefs: a
frightening strange "wild-man" aspect and capricious variability in size
appear to have been significant, if not the main, features of these
creatures.</P>
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<P>Edmund</P>
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