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<p>Dear Johann,<div><br></div><div>Sorry. My question was rhetorical. There is in fact no evidence. The early Germanic cognates do not allow one to reconstruct the specific meaning 'comitatus;' at best, one must settle for 'host, retinue (of some kind)', although 'comitatus' certainly could be subsumed in this broad semantic field:</div><div><br></div><div>Gothic: drauhti-witoth 'military service'</div><div>ON: drott 'household, people; host of the king's men, bodyguard of a king'</div><div>OE: dryht 'people, multitude, army'</div><div>OFris: drecht 'wedding entourage'</div><div>OS: druht-folk 'army'</div><div>MHG: truht 'troop, squad, platoon'</div><div><br></div><div>Edmund</div><div class="ygroups-quoted"><br><br>---In Gothic-L@yahoogroups.com, <anheropl0x@...> wrote :<br><br><div id="ygrps-yiv-899037497"><div dir="ltr">There isn't. As far as I know. That's why I said what I said. Although gmail decided to make the text super tiny for some unknown reason.<br></div><div class="ygrps-yiv-899037497gmail_extra"><br><blockquote><span class><div class="ygrps-yiv-899037497gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:edmundfairfax@...">edmundfairfax@...</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ygrps-yiv-899037497gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span> </span><div><div><div><p>Dear Johann,</p><div><br></div><div>Where is the evidence that *druhtiz means specifically a 'comitatus' and not merely 'host, band, multitude' broadly?</div><div><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>, <anheropl0x@...> wrote :<br><br><div><span class="ygrps-yiv-899037497"><div dir="ltr">This probably won't add too much, but I did find this on the wiki.<br><br>"The Germanic term for the <i>comitatus</i> is reconstructed as <i>*druhtiz</i>, with <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English" title="Old English">Old English</a> forms <i>dryht</i> and <i>druht</i>, and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_languages" title="Scandinavian languages">Scandinavian</a> <i>drótt</i>.<sup><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comitatus_%28classical_meaning%29#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>" <font>Obviously *druhtiz became *drauhts in Gothic. But whether or not it did</font> <font>retain the older meaning, or if comitatus and *druhtiz actually do mean the same thing, I'm not yet sure. I'll try to look into it though.</font><br></sup></div></span><div><br><blockquote><span><div>On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Marja Erwin <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:marja-e@...">marja-e@...</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<span class="ygrps-yiv-899037497"><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span> </span><div><div><div><p><span>On Mar 20, 2015, at 1:50 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:edmundfairfax@...">edmundfairfax@...</a> [gothic-l] <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> As European history during the last 1500 years clearly shows, Christians have been no less warriorlike or militaristic than the infidel or heathen. Need I mention the Crusades, amongst many other examples?<br>
> <br>
> Edmund<br>
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But Christianity covers a lot of ground. We’d need to figure out what the evidence says about Gothic Christianity, in particular, and which pattern that would fit in other branches of Christianity.<br>
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So what evidence do we have?<br>
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1. The Passion of St. Saba and the other martyrologies.<br>
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2. Reading-choice and word-choice in the Gothic bible.<br>
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3. The claim that Wulfila was the son, or perhaps the grandson, of slaves.<br>
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4. The claim that Wulfila did not translate the four books of Kings.<br>
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5. The personal names of known Gothic Christians. Alareiks, of course, was named (or named himself) -reiks, but few known Christians of the previous generation had been so named, and some had been named (or named themselves) -thius.<br>
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I think that’s enough to show a conversion from below, and a degree of conflict with existing power structures, and possibly with existing military institutions.<br>
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I don’t think that’s enough to show whether or not they were leaning towards a peace church pattern before 376, and that had definitely changed by 395.</p></div><div style="color:#fff;min-height:0;"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div><br><br clear="all"><br><span class="ygrps-yiv-899037497">-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(7,55,99);"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><i><font size="1">Glaðliga ríða Noregs męnn til Hildar þings.</font></i></span></span><br></div></div>
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