From oxmorph at mod-langs.ox.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 14:21:57 2008 From: oxmorph at mod-langs.ox.ac.uk (Oxford Workshop on Romance Verb Morpholo) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:21:57 +0000 Subject: Call: First Oxford Workshop on Romance Verb Morphology Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kariri at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 21:20:47 2008 From: kariri at gmail.com (Eduardo Ribeiro) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:20:47 -0500 Subject: Diachronic behavior of velar nasal consonant Message-ID: Dear hist-linguists, I remember reading somewhere that the velar nasal consonant /ng/ tends to be less stable diachronically than the more common nasals /m/ and /n/, but I can't recall exactly where I found that piece of information. I would really appreciate any suggestions on where to find information on this topic, as well as any examples illustrating the diachronic behavior of this consonant in specific language families. [In the Macro-Jê stock, for instance, while reflexes of Proto-Jê *m and *n tend to be preserved as such in most related languages, *ng occurs as /k/ in Central Jê (thus merging with reflexes of Proto-Jê *k), zero in Jabuti, etc.] Thanks in advance, Eduardo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From natacha at ucla.edu Sat Mar 8 22:00:11 2008 From: natacha at ucla.edu (natacha at ucla.edu) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:00:11 -0800 Subject: Diachronic behavior of velar nasal consonant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Eduardo: Loren Trigo's dissertation "The phonological bevior and derivation of nasal glides" (MIT, 1988) contains much information relevant to the diachronic behavior of the velar nasal. The relative strength of nasal consonants is discussed at length by Edward Tuttle in "Nasalization in Northern Italy: Syllabic constraints and strength scales as developmental parameters" (Rivista di Linguistica 3 [1991]: 23-92]. Best regards, Natalie Operstein > Dear hist-linguists, > > I remember reading somewhere that the velar nasal consonant /ng/ tends to be > less stable diachronically than the more common nasals /m/ and /n/, but I > can't recall exactly where I found that piece of information. I would > really appreciate any suggestions on where to find information on this > topic, as well as any examples illustrating the diachronic behavior of this > consonant in specific language families. [In the Macro-Jê stock, for > instance, while reflexes of Proto-Jê *m and *n tend to be preserved as such > in most related languages, *ng occurs as /k/ in Central Jê (thus merging > with reflexes of Proto-Jê *k), zero in Jabuti, etc.] > > Thanks in advance, > > Eduardo > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk Sat Mar 8 23:48:48 2008 From: nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk (Nigel Vincent) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:48:48 +0000 Subject: Diachronic behavior of velar nasal consonant In-Reply-To: <20080308140011.v0t0gnths8c4o8co@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: You might also want to look at: John Hajek, Universals of sound change in nasalization (Publications of the Philological Society, 31). Oxford & Boston, MA: Blackwell, 1997. Pp. xvi+254. best Nigel Vincent Quoting natacha at ucla.edu: > Dear Eduardo: > > Loren Trigo's dissertation "The phonological bevior and derivation of > nasal glides" (MIT, 1988) contains much information relevant to the > diachronic behavior of the velar nasal. The relative strength of nasal > consonants is discussed at length by Edward Tuttle in "Nasalization in > Northern Italy: Syllabic constraints and strength scales as > developmental parameters" (Rivista di Linguistica 3 [1991]: 23-92]. > > Best regards, > Natalie Operstein > >> Dear hist-linguists, >> >> I remember reading somewhere that the velar nasal consonant /ng/ tends to be >> less stable diachronically than the more common nasals /m/ and /n/, but I >> can't recall exactly where I found that piece of information. I would >> really appreciate any suggestions on where to find information on this >> topic, as well as any examples illustrating the diachronic behavior of this >> consonant in specific language families. [In the Macro-Jê stock, for >> instance, while reflexes of Proto-Jê *m and *n tend to be preserved as such >> in most related languages, *ng occurs as /k/ in Central Jê (thus merging >> with reflexes of Proto-Jê *k), zero in Jabuti, etc.] >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Eduardo >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -- Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA Associate Vice-President for Graduate Education Mailing address: School of Languages, Linguistics & Cultures University of Manchester Manchester M13 9PL United Kingdom Tel (direct): +44-(0)-161-275-3194 Fax: +44-(0)-161-275-3031 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From johanna.barddal at uib.no Wed Mar 12 14:14:30 2008 From: johanna.barddal at uib.no (J=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C3=B3hanna_Bar=C3=B0dal?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:30 +0100 Subject: ICCG-5: final call for papers Message-ID: Fifth International Conference on Construction Grammar Final Call for Papers Call Deadline: 15-Mar-2008 Fifth International Conference on Construction Grammar (ICCG-5) Conference Dates: September 26-28, 2008 Conference Location: University of Texas at Austin Conference Website: http://gmc.utexas.edu/iccg5/ Former conferences took place in Berkeley (2001), Helsinki (2002), Marseille (2004), and Tokyo (2006). ICCG-5 Guest Speakers: - Johanna Barðdal, University of Bergen - Charles Fillmore, University of California, Berkeley - Laura Michaelis, University of Colorado at Boulder - Paul Kay, University of California, Berkeley - Gert Webelhuth, Georg-August-Universität Göttingen Abstract Submission: Abstracts must be uploaded as PDF files to the online submission system at http://gmc.utexas.edu/papers/. No emailed abstracts will be accepted. The submission system will require you to register and will prompt you to include all necessary information about your submission. Abstracts are invited for 20-minute presentations as well as poster presentations. We invite abstract submissions on synchronic analysis of individual languages, as well as historical, typological, and contrastive analysis of all kinds. Abstracts should be no more than one page (single-spaced, 12 pt font, 1-inch margin). Please note that the number of abstracts per author is limited to one singly-authored and one co-authored abstract per author. If you have questions about the submission of abstracts, or the program, please email them to: iccg5program at gmail.com For general questions about ICCG-5, please write to:iccg5organization at gmail.com Important Dates: - Extended deadline for Abstract Submission: March 15, 2008 - Abstract Acceptance Notification: April 10, 2008 - Program Announcement: May 25, 2008 - Deadline for Early Registration: August 15, 2008 Conference Organization Chair: Hans C. Boas, University of Texas at Austin Local Organizing Committee: - John Beavers, University of Texas at Austin - Lars Hinrichs, University of Texas at Austin - Knud Lambrecht, University of Texas at Austin - Marc Pierce, University of Texas at Austin International Advisory Committee: - Jóhanna Barðdal, University of Bergen - Benjamin Bergen, University of Hawaii - Alex Bergs, University of Osnabrück - Kerstin Fischer, University of Bremen - Mirjam Fried, Princeton University - Seiko Fujii, University of Tokyo - Stefan T. Gries, University of California, Santa Barbara - Martin Hilpert, ICSI, University of California, Berkeley - Seizi Iwata, Osaka City University - Jaakko Leino, University of Helsinki - Laura Michaelis, University of Colorado at Boulder - Jan-Ola Östman, University of Helsinki - Kyoko Ohara, Keio University - Anatol Stefanowitsch, University of Bremen -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jóhanna Barðdal Senior Research Fellow Department of Linguistic, Literary and Aesthetic Studies University of Bergen P.O. box 7805 NO-5020 Bergen Norway johanna.barddal at uib.no Phone +47-55582438 (work) Phone +47-55201117 (home) Fax +47-55589354 (work) http://www.hf.uib.no/i/lili/SLF/ans/barddal _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From Granta at edgehill.ac.uk Wed Mar 12 15:23:59 2008 From: Granta at edgehill.ac.uk (Anthony Grant) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:23:59 +0000 Subject: Swadesh Centenary Conference, 16-18 January 2009, MPI-EVA, Leipzig. Message-ID: 1st call for papers The Swadesh Centenary Conference Organizers: Søren Wichmann (Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology & Leiden University) Anthony Grant (Edge Hill University) Short description: This conference, which celebrates the 100th year birthday of Swadesh, is intended primarily to bring together scholars working on cutting-edge methods in historical linguistics and, secondarily, to assess the work and influence of Swadesh. Invited speakers: Mark Pagel (University of Reading) Tandy Warnow (The University of Texas at Austin) Eric W. Holman (University of California, Los Angeles) Long description: The American linguist Morris Swadesh (1909-1967) made outstanding contributions in a number of linguistic fields, publishing over 200 books, articles and reviews. One of the pioneers of phonemic theory and of the methodical study of seriously endangered languages, he worked on dozens of languages of North and Central America and West Africa, contributed to the study of English phonology and to efficient ways of teaching languages to military personnel and civilians, and helped promote the cause of indigenous Mexican and other Native American languages to politicans and laypeople alike. He is most widely known for his interests in historical relations between language families across the world, and on quantitative historical linguistic techniques (glottochronology and especially lexicostatistics) using as data source diagnostic vocabularies which have become known as Swadesh lists. Despite much bad press, lexicostatistics and glottochronology have lived on, seen various depevelopments, and have been applied to a languages around the globe. Moreover, diagnostic wordlists from perhaps close to a third of the world’s languages have accumulated in the literature or on the internet, providing a unique resource for the investigation of the lexical behavior of languages in areal and genealogical perspectives. We invite papers applying or discussing quantitatively oriented methods in historical linguistics, papers on the systematic investigation of languages and prehistory, and papers relating to Swadesh’ work. We expect to publish a book with a selection of the contributions. Please send your anonymous 250-500 word abstract to wichmann at eva.mpg.de Deadline for abstract submission: Sept. 30, 2008. Date of notification of acceptance: October 15, 2008. Dates and venue for the conference: Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig, Jan 16-18, 2009. 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Givón, Guy Deutscher, Martin Hilpert, Brian MacWhinney, Eric Pederson & Mitzi Barker, Diego Fernandez-Duque, Östen Dahl, Andrew Pawley, Claire Bowern, Nathan Tublitz, Don Tucker, Derek Bickerton Description: Structural complexity may be defined broadly as the “chunking” of linear-sequential structure into hierarchic one (cf. Herbert A. Simon 1962 “The architecture of complexity”). The creation of such hierarchic structure is a common process language shares with motor control, vision, memory, and music. It is often associated with the move from attended to automated processing. Our symposium will focus on one particular type of syntactic complexity, that of clauses (‘propositions’) embedded inside other clauses— under a unified intonation contour. We examine two syntactic domains in which such embedding structures are generally found to cluster: (i) in the verb phrase (complex predicates, clause-union, verb complementation), and (ii) in the noun phrase (relative clauses and noun complementation). The symposium will concern itself primarily with the genesis of these complex structures, comparing the three main developmental trends of language: Diachrony, child language development, and evolution. For all three, we will explore the linguistic, cognitive, neurological and biological aspects of the genesis and development of complex syntax. Symposium website: http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~eivs/sympo/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Du Bois (University of California at Santa Barbara) "Cognitive containment and the emergence of complexity: grammaticizing the ditransitive construction" Regine Eckardt (University of Goettingen) "From pragmatics to grammar: NPI clines" Muriel Norde (University of Groningen) "Classifying degrammaticalization" Graeme Trousdale (University of Edinburgh) "Grammaticalization, constructions and the grammaticalization of constructions" Richard Waltereit (University of Newcastle) "On the origins of grammaticalization in discourse There will be about 120 session papers, three workshops, and a social programme. More information on the conference (registration, accommodation, travel information) can be found at: http://wwwling.arts.kuleuven.be/nrg4 Please note that early registration ends on 31 March 2008. We look forward to seeing you in Leuven this summer. Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From phonosemantics at earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 00:51:09 2008 From: phonosemantics at earthlink.net (jess tauber) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:51:09 -0500 Subject: Munda Linguistics at Yahoo Groups Message-ID: I've created a discussion for Munda languages and linguistics at Yahoo Groups. This will include historical and areal relations as topics. All postings moderated. URL: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mundarica Jess Tauber phonosemantics at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From kemmer at rice.edu Sat Mar 22 19:25:37 2008 From: kemmer at rice.edu (Suzanne Kemmer) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:25:37 -0500 Subject: One-yr lecturer position at Rice Univ.--Historical, field lx. Message-ID: LECTURER POSITION AT RICE Pending funding approval, the Department of Linguistics at Rice University is now accepting applications for a one-year lecturer position. Deadline for receipt of applications is April 15, 2008. Responsibilities of the position include teaching historical linguistics, a two-semester field methods sequence, and a fourth course to be determined by mutual agreement. Ph.D. required by time of appointment, July 1, 2008. We especially welcome applications from researchers who share the department's interest in approaching language from a usage-based perspective with solid empirical grounding in primary data, especially approaches of a cognitive, social-interactional, and/or functional nature. Experience in fieldwork and language documentation/ revitalization is also desirable. See also our departmental web site at http://ling.rice.edu. Application materials include: cover letter, CV, teaching statement, sample of written work, and three letters of reference. Past teaching evaluations and/or information about course topics the applicant could teach are also welcome but not required at this time. Rice University is committed to affirmative action and equal opportunity in education and employment. Rice does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national or ethnic origin, age, disability or veteran status. Rice University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Address for Applications: Lecturer Position Department of Linguistics, MS-23 Rice University 6100 Main Street Houston, TX 77005 USA _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From scat at cfl.rr.com Sun Mar 23 21:45:53 2008 From: scat at cfl.rr.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0400 Subject: Conferences? Message-ID: Are there no conferences in the US on historical linguistics or have I just missed the notice(s)? I am particularly interested in English and Romance languages? Scott Catledge Professor Emeritus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, my question is: Do we have evidence that the shift from shabbath > shan/mba(t) > shambe already occurred in Middle Iranian? (as far as I remember, MacKenzie's Pahlavi-English Dictionary doesn't mention the term, neither does Horn).... Thanks for any help, sorry for my ignorance and best wishes, Wolfgang -- ---------------------------------------------------------- *Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Schulze * ---------------------------------------------------------- /Primary contact: / Institut für Allgemeine & Typologische Sprachwissenschaft Dept. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From barasher at fas.harvard.edu Wed Mar 26 17:38:36 2008 From: barasher at fas.harvard.edu (Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:38:36 -0400 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20080326172724.ADAB4DF277@amanita.mail.rice.edu> Message-ID: Though I'm not familiar with the Iranian material I just wanted to correct one thing. Wolfgang said: As fas as I know, the shift -bb- to -nb- / -mb- did not take place in Semitic (Aramaic/Hebrew etc.) this is not true, this dissimilation is a very common phenomenon in Aramaic (already in Official Aramaic). We encounter for example the following shift madda'>manda' (knowledge). In addition the form for sabbath without a final /t/ is the form we encounter in Jewish Babylonian Aramaic /shabba/ (as final /t/ often apocopated in this dialect) - and this is where Iranian and Aramaic were in contact. Elitzur -- Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher PhD Candidate Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Harvard University Lecturer in Semitics Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Yale University barasher at fas.harvard.edu elitzur.bar-asher at yale.edu http://www.yale.edu/hebrew/profiles/elitzur.html On 3/26/2008 1:27 PM, histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu wrote: >Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Sabbath (Wolfgang Schulze) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:23:55 +0100 >From: Wolfgang Schulze >Subject: [Histling-l] Sabbath >To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >Message-ID: <47EA86AB.10908 at lrz.uni-muenchen.de> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear Colleagues, >let me ask you to help me with your competence regarding the following >question: What is the direct source of Persian shanbeh (shambe) >'Saturday'? My main concern is the representation of Aramic -bb- as -nb >/ -mb-. I know that in the early Balkan Greek vernacular, this sound >change has also taken place, but here we have s- and not sh- (resulting >in things like OHG sambaz-tag etc.). As fas as I know, the shift -bb- to >-nb- / -mb- did not take place in Semitic (Aramaic/Hebrew etc.). So, my >question is: Do we have evidence that the shift from shabbath > >shan/mba(t) > shambe already occurred in Middle Iranian? (as far as I >remember, MacKenzie's Pahlavi-English Dictionary doesn't mention the >term, neither does Horn).... >Thanks for any help, sorry for my ignorance and best wishes, >Wolfgang > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From barasher at fas.harvard.edu Wed Mar 26 17:42:17 2008 From: barasher at fas.harvard.edu (Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:42:17 -0400 Subject: Sabbath In-Reply-To: <20080326172724.ADAB4DF277@amanita.mail.rice.edu> Message-ID: Though I'm not familiar with the Iranian material I just wanted to correct one thing. Wolfgang said: As fas as I know, the shift -bb- to -nb- / -mb- did not take place in Semitic (Aramaic/Hebrew etc.) this is not true, this dissimilation is a very common phenomenon in Aramaic (already in Official Aramaic). We encounter for example the following shift madda'>manda' (knowledge). In addition the form for sabbath without a final /t/ is the form we encounter in Jewish Babylonian Aramaic /shabba/ (as final /t/ often apocopated in this dialect) - and this is where Iranian and Aramaic were in contact. Elitzur -- Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher PhD Candidate Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Harvard University Lecturer in Semitics Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Yale University barasher at fas.harvard.edu elitzur.bar-asher at yale.edu http://www.yale.edu/hebrew/profiles/elitzur.html On 3/26/2008 1:27 PM, histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu wrote: >Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Sabbath (Wolfgang Schulze) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:23:55 +0100 >From: Wolfgang Schulze >Subject: [Histling-l] Sabbath >To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >Message-ID: <47EA86AB.10908 at lrz.uni-muenchen.de> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear Colleagues, >let me ask you to help me with your competence regarding the following >question: What is the direct source of Persian shanbeh (shambe) >'Saturday'? My main concern is the representation of Aramic -bb- as -nb >/ -mb-. I know that in the early Balkan Greek vernacular, this sound >change has also taken place, but here we have s- and not sh- (resulting >in things like OHG sambaz-tag etc.). As fas as I know, the shift -bb- to >-nb- / -mb- did not take place in Semitic (Aramaic/Hebrew etc.). So, my >question is: Do we have evidence that the shift from shabbath > >shan/mba(t) > shambe already occurred in Middle Iranian? (as far as I >remember, MacKenzie's Pahlavi-English Dictionary doesn't mention the >term, neither does Horn).... >Thanks for any help, sorry for my ignorance and best wishes, >Wolfgang > > > -- Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher PhD Candidate Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Harvard University Lecturer in Semitics Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Yale University barasher at fas.harvard.edu elitzur.bar-asher at yale.edu http://www.yale.edu/hebrew/profiles/elitzur.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From W.Schulze at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Mar 26 17:48:56 2008 From: W.Schulze at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Wolfgang Schulze) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:48:56 +0100 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <47EA8A1C.8030201@fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear Elitzur, great! Many thanks for this correction! I did not know that the dissimilation -bb- > -b- /-mb- already occurred in Aramaic. But do we have evidence (from written sources) that this also holds for shabba(t) in Aramaic, that is that the variant shanba or so had been in use? And if yes, did it spread like this to Middle Iranian (again I would be interested in the indication of concrete sources)? Thanks and sorry again for my obviously scant knowledge of the Aramaic world.. Wolfgang Elitzur Avraham Bar-Asher wrote: > Though I'm not familiar with the Iranian material I just wanted to > correct one thing. > Wolfgang said: > > As fas as I know, the shift -bb- to > -nb- / -mb- did not take place in Semitic (Aramaic/Hebrew etc.) > this is not true, this dissimilation is a very common phenomenon in > Aramaic (already in Official Aramaic). We encounter for example the > following shift madda'>manda' (knowledge). > In addition the form for sabbath without a final /t/ is the form we > encounter in Jewish Babylonian Aramaic /shabba/ (as final /t/ often > apocopated in this dialect) - and this is where Iranian and Aramaic > were in contact. > Elitzur > > -- -- ---------------------------------------------------------- *Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Schulze * ---------------------------------------------------------- /Primary contact: / Institut für Allgemeine & Typologische Sprachwissenschaft Dept. 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