From johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk Wed Feb 4 11:35:08 2009 From: johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk (John Charles Smith) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:35:08 +0000 Subject: Research Assistantship in Romance Morphology at University of Oxford Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From m.norde at rug.nl Sun Feb 8 12:14:42 2009 From: m.norde at rug.nl (Muriel Norde) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:14:42 +0100 Subject: call for papers: Current Trends in Grammaticalization Research Message-ID: **apologies for cross-postings** * * *Current Trends in Grammaticalization Research: first circular* University of Groningen, October 8-9, 2009 /Call for papers/ The study of grammaticalization and related phenomena continues to be a thriving branch of historical linguistics. Where the 1990s and the beginning of the 21^st century witnessed a special interest in definitional issues, recent theorizing has been focusing on a synthesis of grammaticalization studies and other disciplines, such as psycholinguistics, contact linguistics, and Construction Grammar. These novel perspectives, along with an increasing body of data (including work from non-Indo-European languages), provoke new and interesting questions about the very nature of grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization. This two-day workshop aims to bring together theoretical and empirical approaches to grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization, and we therefore welcome both theoretical and data-oriented submissions. Topics include (but are not restricted to): - the grammaticalization-lexicalization interface - the status of pragmaticalization - contact-induced grammaticalization - psycholinguistic approaches to directional tendencies - grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization within a constructional framework /Plenary speakers/ We are pleased to announce the following plenary speakers: - Nikolaus Himmelmann, University of Münster - Tania Kuteva, University of Düsseldorf - Graeme Trousdale, University of Edinburgh - Jacqueline Visconti, University of Genova /Abstracts/ We invite abstracts for 30-minute papers (including ten minutes discussion time). Abstracts should not exceed a maximum of 400 words, including references. Please note that the deadline for abstract submission is *April 15, 2009*. Notification of acceptance will be sent out by May 15, 2009. For details about abstract submission please visit our website (see url below). /Registration/ Early registration (until July 1, 2009) is 75 Euro. Late or on-site registration will be 100 Euro. Early registration for (graduate) students is 45 euro, late registration 60 euro. Please bring some kind of identification to prove that you are a student. The fee includes the workshop package, reception, coffee, tea, and lunches. The workshop dinner will have to be paid for separately. More information about payment (bank transfer only) will be posted on our website as soon as possible. /Venue/ The workshop will be held at the University of Groningen. The city of Groningen is situated in the North of the Netherlands and is easily accessible by train (with direct trains to and from Schiphol Airport running every hour). The University's Faculty of Arts is conveniently located in the city centre, with all main attractions within walking distance. Please visit our website (see URL below) for information about travel and accommodation. /Contact/ The workshop is organized by Karin Beijering, Alexandra Lenz, and Muriel Norde. Workshop e-mail: grammaticalization at rug.nl Workshop URL: http://www.rug.nl/let/onderzoek/onderzoekinstituten/clcg/events/currenttrends/index Abstract submission address: http://linguistlist.org/confcustom/CTGR2009 -- Prof. dr. Muriel Norde Scandinavian Languages and Cultures University of Groningen P.O. Box 716 9700 AS Groningen The Netherlands http://www.let.rug.nl/~norde/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are asking for European funds to set up an International LiveScripts Association and we are looking for other partner countries and institutions to join us according to the rules we should agree on. Besides, our research has confirmed the viability of Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among Indo-European languages, the most innovative and intercultural tool in foreign language teaching which encourages the use of one single language for communication purposes but, at the same time, fostering real multilingual skills. We also seek for partners on this area. Both endeavors have been recently presented at international conferences in USA and Europe. As far as we know, no other institution or university has claimed similar investigations or actions. For example, we have proof of our research on Cognate Dictionaries as far back as 20 years ago with letters from University of California at Los Angeles, Oxford University Press and USA Copyright Office. For those reasons, we are asking for leadership of these projects although, of course, all institutions and countries are welcome to participate. Finally, considering the innovation of our proposals, we are modestly suggesting the European Commission's Education and Culture Directorate to give priority to these activities. kind regards, Domenec Mendez 34 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our teachers this year will be: PETER TRUDGILL (AGDER, NORWAY) Language contact and linguistic change in early post-Roman Britain: sociolinguistic insights LAURA WRIGHT (CAMBRIDGE, UK) Historical sociolinguistics and historical pragmatics: 18th c. printed ephemera and the London upper working-class sociolect JEROEN DARQUENNES (NAMUR, BELGIUM) Contact and conflict along the Germanic-Romance language border HELEN KELLY-HOLMES (LIMERICK, IRELAND) Minority languages and media engagement: discourses and practices in and on Irish ERNST HÅKON JAHR (AGDER, NORWAY) The Arctic Pidgin Russenorsk NILS LANGER (BRISTOL, UK) Prescriptive grammars and linguistic purism MARK JANSE (GENT, BELGIUM) Asia Minor Greek: borrowing, interference, and the mixed language debate GRO-RENEE RAMBØ (AGDER, NORWAY) Scandinavian - Low German contact in the late Middle Ages Classes will take place in the morning and early evening and you will have the opportunity to present your own research at a special session. The school will last for one week and the cost of 375 British Pounds includes accommodation, three meals per day, and tuition, and an excursion. If you register and pay in full before May 1st, 2009, we will give you a discount of 75 British Pounds, i.e. you will only pay 300 British Pounds. Please note that there are only 40 places available. Contact: Nils Langer, Reader in German Linguistics, School of Modern Languages, University of Bristol, BS8 1TE, UK nils.langer at bris.ac.uk Summer school website: www.bris.ac.uk/german/hison/summerschool2009 venue: www.hia.no/metochi HISON: www.philhist.uni-augsburg.de/hison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MUAS El 09/02/2009, a las 19:00, histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu escribió: > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. LiveScripts - Non Profit Association - and Cognate Bilingual > Dictionaries (Domenec Mendez) > 2. THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL SOCIOLINGUISTICS > (Wim Vandenbussche) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:29:52 +0100 > From: Domenec Mendez > Subject: [Histling-l] LiveScripts - Non Profit Association - and > Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > <3333ae570902090029n33f963ar391294db78b6ea24 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Colleagues, > > LiveScripts Non-Profit Association, G-64961121, has a legal framework > to publish a magazine with the transcripts in original version of any > DVD or TV premier in any language as a reading guide previous to the > projection. We think it is the most motivating way to brush up your > foreign language skills or even improve them. > > We are asking for European funds to set up an International > LiveScripts Association and we are looking for other partner countries > and institutions to join us according to the rules we should agree on. > > Besides, our research has confirmed the viability of Cognate Bilingual > Dictionaries among Indo-European languages, the most innovative and > intercultural tool in foreign language teaching which encourages the > use of one single language for communication purposes but, at the same > time, fostering real multilingual skills. We also seek for partners on > this area. > > Both endeavors have been recently presented at international > conferences in USA and Europe. As far as we know, no other institution > or university has claimed similar investigations or actions. For > example, we have proof of our research on Cognate Dictionaries as far > back as 20 years ago with letters from University of California at Los > Angeles, Oxford University Press and USA Copyright Office. > For those reasons, we are asking for leadership of these projects > although, > of course, all institutions and countries are welcome to participate. > > Finally, considering the innovation of our proposals, we are modestly > suggesting the European Commission's Education and Culture Directorate > to give priority to these activities. > > kind regards, > Domenec Mendez > > 34 609 37 12 31 > www.livescripts.ning.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:57:28 +0100 > From: Wim Vandenbussche > Subject: [Histling-l] THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL > SOCIOLINGUISTICS > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > The University of Agder, > the Vrije Universiteit Brussel, > and the University of Bristol > > present the > > THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL SOCIOLINGUISTICS > 20 - 27 August 2009 > at Metochi, Lesvos (Greece) > > Organised by the Historical Sociolinguistics Network (HISON) > > The venue is the University of Agder's Metochi > study centre, a former monastery on the Greek > island of Lesvos. > > Our teachers this year will be: > > PETER TRUDGILL (AGDER, NORWAY) > Language contact and linguistic change in early > post-Roman Britain: sociolinguistic insights > > LAURA WRIGHT (CAMBRIDGE, UK) > Historical sociolinguistics and historical > pragmatics: 18th c. printed ephemera and the > London upper working-class sociolect > > JEROEN DARQUENNES (NAMUR, BELGIUM) > Contact and conflict along the Germanic-Romance language border > > HELEN KELLY-HOLMES (LIMERICK, IRELAND) > Minority languages and media engagement: > discourses and practices in and on Irish > > ERNST H?KON JAHR (AGDER, NORWAY) > The Arctic Pidgin Russenorsk > > NILS LANGER (BRISTOL, UK) > Prescriptive grammars and linguistic purism > > MARK JANSE (GENT, BELGIUM) > Asia Minor Greek: borrowing, interference, and the mixed language > debate > > GRO-RENEE RAMB? (AGDER, NORWAY) > Scandinavian - Low German contact in the late Middle Ages > > > Classes will take place in the morning and early > evening and you will have the opportunity to > present your own research at a special session. > The school will last for one week and the cost of > 375 British Pounds includes accommodation, three > meals per day, and tuition, and an excursion. > > If you register and pay in full before May 1st, > 2009, we will give you a discount of 75 British > Pounds, i.e. you will only pay 300 British Pounds. > > Please note that there are only 40 places available. > > Contact: Nils Langer, Reader in German > Linguistics, School of Modern Languages, > University of Bristol, BS8 1TE, UK > nils.langer at bris.ac.uk > > Summer school website: www.bris.ac.uk/german/hison/summerschool2009 > > venue: www.hia.no/metochi > > HISON: www.philhist.uni-augsburg.de/hison > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From Maj-Britt.MosegaardHansen at manchester.ac.uk Tue Feb 10 11:32:39 2009 From: Maj-Britt.MosegaardHansen at manchester.ac.uk (Maj-Britt Mosegaard Hansen) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:32:39 +0000 Subject: University of Manchester postgraduate research funding Message-ID: Institution/Organization: The University of Manchester Department: Linguistics and English Language Web Address: http://www.llc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/lel/ Level: PhD Duties: Research Job Rank: PhD Specialty Areas: General Linguistics Description: Funding Opportunities for Linguistics and English Language within the School of Languages, Linguistics and Cultures at The University of Manchester Manchester is an international centre for linguistics and English language. The Department is virtually unique in the UK and beyond in the breadth of subject areas and theoretical approaches represented by its members, many of whom are internationally renowned scholars in their specialisms. Particular strengths in the discipline include: endangered languages, field linguistics and language documentation, the linguistics of English (both synchronic and diachronic), phonetics and phonology, morphology, syntax (especially lexical-functional grammar and construction grammar), typology, language contact and sociolinguistics, historical linguistics (especially English, Romance and Germanic), (formal) semantics and pragmatics, and corpus and computational linguistics. More information about the department and the research interests of its staff can be found at http://www.llc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/lel/ The postgraduate community in the School of Languages, Linguistics and Cultures is one of the largest and most diverse in the UK, enjoying state-of-the-art facilities and excellent support within a high-quality research environment. In step with our continuing expansion, the School is pleased to announce funding opportunities for Home/EU and International students registering for a research (Ph.D.) or a taught (M.A.) programme in 2009-10. * 1. Four specific awards funded by the School: * Walters Scholarship (any discipline): Home/EU tuition fees and maintenance stipend of £4,000 pa * Mont Follick Scholarship for Historical Linguistics: Home/EU tuition fees and maintenance stipend of £12,940 pa (AHRC equivalent) * Johansson Germanic Philology Scholarship: Home/EU tuition fees and maintenance stipend of £2,500 pa * ORS Awards Scheme: overseas element of tuition fee Awards cover the difference between the Overseas and Home/EU rate of tuition fee. Successful applicants may be awarded additional funding for the remainder of the tuition fees and maintenance. Closing date: 16 February 2009. 2. Ph.D. Studentships (tuition fees and maintenance) Applicants who are eligible and suitably qualified should apply simultaneously for AHRC funding (details below). 3. Ph.D. and M.A. Bursaries (partial awards) Up to 7 Ph.D. bursaries of £3000 each and 6 M.A. fee bursaries of £3000 each within the School, plus named awards in certain subject areas. 4. Chinese Studies Fee Bursaries 2 bursaries of up to £4000 each for students interested in pursuing interdisciplinary research on China/the Chinese-speaking world. 5. Graduate Teaching Fellowships (GTFs) 3 GTFs in the following areas: 2 Polish (both 0.5) and Portuguese. The GTF will be required to undertake a Ph.D. programme of study and to teach for 6 hours per week full-time or 3 hours part-time. 6. AHRC Funding The result of the University's bid to the AHRC for a fixed number of Master's and Doctoral awards will be known at the end of February. The School anticipates it will have a number of studentships available across its discipline areas. 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The two volumes (in 4to format, 650 pages) include a presentation of Caucasian Albanian, a full grammar of the language of the texts (including remarks on minor inscriptions, language history etc.), an editio minor of the texts (Gospel of John, Lectionary) for quick reference, indices and concordances (Caucasian Albanian/Old Armenian/Old Georgian/Russian/English/Udi), and (in the second volume) the editio princeps with photographs of the single parchment sheets, facsimiles, transliteration, and parallel texts in Armenian; Georgian, Russian, Syriac, English, and Udi. The two volumes are going to be published at Brépols (Turnhout, Belgium), see http://www.brepols.net/catalogue/index.jsp?mpk=20295&art=875817 ). The publisher expects a relevant number of orders before starting to print the volumes (that shall appear this year in spring). In case libraries or individuals are interested in ordering the two volumes they are kindly invited to follow the link mentioned above. Very best wishes, Wolfgang -- *Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Schulze * ---------------------------------------------------------- /Primary contact: / Institut für Allgemeine & Typologische Sprachwissenschaft Dept. 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Candidates are expected to apply for funding to the AHRC, ORSAS or other appropriate bodies, too. There is no separate application form for these scholarships. All new School of Modern Languages PhD applicants who have firmly accepted a place at St Andrews by 30 April 2009 (by returning the required firm acceptance form to PG Admissions) will be considered for an award. St Andrews is a top-rated but friendly university, with excellent results in the Research Assessment Exercise 2008. It offers PhD supervision in French, German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, as well as a number of interdisciplinary areas. PhD dissertations can be written in English or in the language studied. For further information see www.st-andrews.ac.uk/modlangs/postgraduate_study.php _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From jhobartkyle at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:17:51 2009 From: jhobartkyle at gmail.com (John Kyle) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 Subject: development of reduplication systems Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia – Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU Wed Feb 11 14:22:53 2009 From: Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 Subject: development of reduplication systems Message-ID: Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" ,  Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia – Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Today's Topics: 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 From: John Kyle Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , ? Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From hopper at cmu.edu Wed Feb 11 23:12:30 2009 From: hopper at cmu.edu (Paul Hopper) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:12:30 -0500 Subject: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <002d01c98c76$4c9802f0$6501a8c0@leordinateur> Message-ID: It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. Paul Hopper --------- > Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and > adjectives > > âáñâáñoò being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs > > > > Scott Catledge > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu > [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 > 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > > > > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) > > 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) > > 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 > > From: John Kyle > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Message-ID: > > <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed > > a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > reduplication > > system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication > (and > > of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I > have > > not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which > developed > > on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I > > > would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 > > From: "Paolo Ramat" > > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: "John Kyle" , > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Dear John, > > what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many > languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense > in Classical Greek -- > > which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider > Greek as a reduplication system language? > > > > > > Prof. Paolo Ramat > > Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) > > Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane > > V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia > > Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Kyle > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost > reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a > reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a > reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me > know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with > the information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) > > From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a > lot about > > reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners > might be prone to > > focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) > VN's > > reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which > has developed (and > > is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and > Tai-Kadai tonal > > languages. > > Jeff Stebbins > > Univ. Colorado, Linguistics > > 719-660-6280 > > - - - - > > > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > > to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) > > > > ---- Original message ---- > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 > > From: "Paolo Ramat" > > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: "John Kyle" , > > > > ? > > > > Dear John, > > what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? > > I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. > the > > perfect tense in Classical Greek -- > > which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern > > Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system > > language? > > > > > > Prof. Paolo Ramat > > Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori > > (IUSS) > > Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane > > V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza > > 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia > > Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > John > > Kyle > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 > > PM > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of > > reduplication systems > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > > reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost > > reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication > > > system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication > > system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any > > references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the > > information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ---------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing > > list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > >> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >> Histling-l mailing > > list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 > > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > -- Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper Senior Fellow Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies Albert-Ludwigs-Universität Freiburg Albertstr. 19 D-79104 Freiburg and Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities Department of English Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From mark_irwin at mac.com Wed Feb 11 23:22:49 2009 From: mark_irwin at mac.com (Mark Irwin) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 Subject: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel@71.182.212.246> Message-ID: If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it an isolate. < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system > <><><><><><><><><> Mark Irwin On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: > It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost > reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with > languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? > > The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are > surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of > newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do > isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps > someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed > (re)duplication? > > I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between > (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu > "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- > barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang > 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. > > Paul Hopper > --------- > >> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >> adjectives >> >> âáñâáñoò being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >> >> >> >> Scott Catledge >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >> 2009 >> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, >> Vol 25, >> Issue 7 >> >> >> >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >> >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >> >> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >> >> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed >> >> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication >> >> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> reduplication >> (and >> >> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >> have >> >> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >> developed >> >> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >> examples, I >> >> >> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , > > >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >> tense >> in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >> consider >> Greek as a reduplication system language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >> have a >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >> lost >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >> of a >> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >> let me >> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up >> with >> the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- -- >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >> >> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll >> see a >> lot about >> >> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >> might be prone to >> >> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >> papers) >> VN's >> >> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >> which >> has developed (and >> >> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >> Tai-Kadai tonal >> >> languages. >> >> Jeff Stebbins >> >> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >> >> 719-660-6280 >> >> - - - - >> >> >> >> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >> >> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >> >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >> >> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >> (e.g. >> the >> >> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >> >> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >> >> language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >> >> (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >> >> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> John >> >> Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >> >> PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >> >> reduplication systems >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >> have a >> >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >> lost >> >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication >> >> >> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >> reduplication >> >> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >> any >> >> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >> >> information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- ---------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >> >> >> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >> >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >> list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper > Senior Fellow > Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies > Albert-Ludwigs-Universität Freiburg > Albertstr. 19 > D-79104 Freiburg > and > Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities > Department of English > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp Thu Feb 12 03:50:08 2009 From: ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp (Robert Ratcliffe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:50:08 +0900 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Message-ID: Re: reduplication I have something for you. Ratcliffe, Robert. 1996. "Drift and Noun Plural Reduplication in Afroasiatic." BSOAS LIX, part 2. pp. 297-311. In all cases where we have documentation reduplication as a plural marker, at least, is a secondary development in Afroasiatic. I hypothesize from this that reduplication as a plural marker is also a secondary development in those languages for which we don't have documentation, and thus not reconstructable for Proto-Afroasiatic, and I explain how I think this has developed. Of course for the vast majority of these languages we don't have documentation. R. Ratcliffe Tokyo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. development of reduplication (Peter Bakker) > 2. Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Paul Hopper) > 3. Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Mark Irwin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:31 +0100 > From: "Peter Bakker" > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Many creoles have reduplication (but almost no pidgins). > If the lexifiers are the "parent languages", then creoles developed them, > because > French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic hardly have productive > reduplication. > There is a book on the subject, you can order it from: > http://www.battlebridge.com/ > > Twice as Meaningful > Reduplication in Pidgins, Creoles, and Other Contact Languages > Edited by Silvia Kouwenberg, vi + 330 pages, map, index. ISBN 1 903292 02 > 6. ?25 (Westminster Creolistics Series - 8) > > Peter Bakker > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:12:30 -0500 (EST) > From: "Paul Hopper" > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > To: "Scott" > Cc: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel at 71.182.212.246> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost > reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with languages > _developing new_ reduplicating systems? > > The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely of > Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed > reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples like > English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us examples > of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? > > I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between > (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some or > other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang "different > kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. There are many > subtypes, and a biiiig literature. > > Paul Hopper > --------- > >> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >> adjectives >> >> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >> >> >> >> Scott Catledge >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 >> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol >> 25, >> Issue 7 >> >> >> >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >> >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >> >> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >> >> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed >> >> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication >> >> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication >> (and >> >> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >> have >> >> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >> developed >> >> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I >> >> >> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense >> in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider >> Greek as a reduplication system language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me >> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with >> the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- -- >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >> >> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a >> lot about >> >> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >> might be prone to >> >> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) >> VN's >> >> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which >> has developed (and >> >> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >> Tai-Kadai tonal >> >> languages. >> >> Jeff Stebbins >> >> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >> >> 719-660-6280 >> >> - - - - >> >> >> >> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >> >> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >> >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >> >> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. >> the >> >> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >> >> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >> >> language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >> >> (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >> >> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> John >> >> Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >> >> PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >> >> reduplication systems >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication >> >> >> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication >> >> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any >> >> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >> >> information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- ---------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >> >> >> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >> >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper > Senior Fellow > Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies > Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg > Albertstr. 19 > D-79104 Freiburg > and > Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities > Department of English > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 > From: Mark Irwin > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had > reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it > an isolate. > > < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have > a reduplication system > > > <><><><><><><><><> > Mark Irwin > > > > > > On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: > >> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >> >> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are >> surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of >> newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do >> isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps >> someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed >> (re)duplication? >> >> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu >> "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- >> barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang >> 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >> >> Paul Hopper >> --------- >> >>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>> adjectives >>> >>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Catledge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>> 2009 >>> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, >>> Vol 25, >>> Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> >>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>> >>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>> >>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>> >>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed >>> >>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>> reduplication >>> (and >>> >>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >>> have >>> >>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>> developed >>> >>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>> examples, I >>> >>> >>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >> > >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >>> tense >>> in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>> consider >>> Greek as a reduplication system language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>> have a >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >>> of a >>> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >>> let me >>> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up >>> with >>> the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>> >>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll >>> see a >>> lot about >>> >>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >>> might be prone to >>> >>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>> papers) >>> VN's >>> >>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>> which >>> has developed (and >>> >>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>> >>> languages. >>> >>> Jeff Stebbins >>> >>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>> >>> 719-660-6280 >>> >>> - - - - >>> >>> >>> >>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>> >>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>> >>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>> (e.g. >>> the >>> >>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>> >>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>> >>> language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>> >>> (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>> >>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>> >>> PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>> >>> reduplication systems >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>> have a >>> >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication >>> >>> >>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>> any >>> >>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>> >>> information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>> list >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper >> Senior Fellow >> Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies >> Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg >> Albertstr. 19 >> D-79104 Freiburg >> and >> Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities >> Department of English >> Carnegie Mellon University >> Pittsburgh, PA 15213 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Histling-l mailing list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From hopper at cmu.edu Thu Feb 12 04:39:58 2009 From: hopper at cmu.edu (Paul Hopper) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:39:58 -0500 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <007d01c98cc5$00cd99d0$d10017ac@rl838c02> Message-ID: In standard Malay/Indonesian, reduplication as a marker of plurality is a recent innovation. Reduplication is not used in conjunction with numerals, for instance. However, reduplication is not itself new; only the plural sense is new. Earlier, reduplication had, and often still has, more expressive meanings such as "different kinds of", which may imply plurality and certainly licensed the fixing of the plural meaning. While the circumstances (presumably Western written language influence) are different, if it happened here couldn't it have happened in Afroasiatic too? I haven't seen the BSOAS paper, I'm afraid. Perhaps you deal with this question there. Paul Hopper > Re: reduplication > > I have something for you. > > Ratcliffe, Robert. 1996. "Drift and Noun Plural Reduplication in > Afroasiatic." BSOAS LIX, part 2. pp. 297-311. > > In all cases where we have documentation reduplication as a plural > marker, at least, is a secondary development in Afroasiatic. I hypothesize > from this that reduplication as a plural marker is also a secondary > development in those languages for which we don't have documentation, and > thus not reconstructable for Proto-Afroasiatic, and I explain how I think > this has developed. Of course for the vast majority of these languages we > don't have documentation. > > R. Ratcliffe > > Tokyo ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol > 25, Issue 9 > > >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l or, via email, send >> a message with subject or body 'help' to >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. development of reduplication (Peter Bakker) 2. Re: Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Paul Hopper) 3. Re: Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Mark Irwin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:31 +0100 From: "Peter Bakker" >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication To: >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Many creoles have reduplication (but almost no pidgins). If the >> lexifiers are the "parent languages", then creoles developed them, >> because French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic hardly have >> productive reduplication. There is a book on the subject, you can order >> it from: http://www.battlebridge.com/ >> >> Twice as Meaningful Reduplication in Pidgins, Creoles, and Other Contact >> Languages Edited by Silvia Kouwenberg, vi + 330 pages, map, index. ISBN >> 1 903292 02 6. ?25 (Westminster Creolistics Series - 8) >> >> Peter Bakker >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... URL: >> > 12/24aff355/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:12:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul >> Hopper" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: "Scott" Cc: >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel at 71.182.212.246> Content-Type: >> text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >> >> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely >> of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed >> reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples >> like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us >> examples of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? >> >> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some >> or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang >> "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. >> There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >> >> Paul Hopper --------- >> >>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>> adjectives >>> >>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Catledge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>> 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l >>> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> >>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>> >>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>> >>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>> >>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed >>> >>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>> reduplication (and >>> >>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >>> have >>> >>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>> developed >>> >>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>> examples, I >>> >>> >>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0210 /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >>> tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>> consider Greek as a reduplication system language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have >>> a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >>> of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >>> let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a >>> follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- --- -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0211 /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>> >>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >>> >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see >>> a lot about >>> >>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >>> might be prone to >>> >>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>> papers) VN's >>> >>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>> which has developed (and >>> >>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>> >>> languages. >>> >>> Jeff Stebbins >>> >>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>> >>> 719-660-6280 >>> >>> - - - - >>> >>> >>> >>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>> >>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>> >>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>> (e.g. the >>> >>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>> >>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>> >>> language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>> >>> (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>> >>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>> >>> PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>> >>> reduplication systems >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have >>> a >>> >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication >>> >>> >>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>> any >>> >>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>> >>> information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- --- ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0211 /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>> list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 From: Mark Irwin >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l >> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had >> reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it an >> isolate. >> >> < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication system > >> >> <><><><><><><><><> Mark Irwin >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: >> >>> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >>> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >>> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >>> >>> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are >>> surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly >>> developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated >>> examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can >>> give us examples of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? >>> >>> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >>> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some >>> or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- barang >>> "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. >>> There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >>> >>> Paul Hopper --------- >>> >>>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>>> adjectives >>>> >>>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Catledge >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: >>>> histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>>> 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l >>>> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>>> >>>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> >>>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> >>>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> >>>> >>>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>>> >>>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>>> >>>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>>> >>>> From: John Kyle >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> developed >>>> >>>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>>> reduplication (and >>>> >>>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but >>>> I have >>>> >>>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>>> developed >>>> >>>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>>> examples, I >>>> >>>> >>>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090210 /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>>> >>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: "John Kyle" , >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear John, >>>> >>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of >>>> many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the >>>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>>> >>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>>> consider Greek as a reduplication system language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>>> >>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>>> >>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>>> >>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>>> >>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: John Kyle >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>>> have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which >>>> have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained >>>> a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any >>>> examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If >>>> anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would >>>> gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------ --- -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090211 /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>>> >>>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle >>>> , >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see >>>> a lot about >>>> >>>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We >>>> Westerners might be prone to >>>> >>>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>>> papers) VN's >>>> >>>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>>> which has developed (and >>>> >>>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>>> >>>> languages. >>>> >>>> Jeff Stebbins >>>> >>>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>>> >>>> 719-660-6280 >>>> >>>> - - - - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>>> >>>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- Original message ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>>> >>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: "John Kyle" >>>> , >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear John, >>>> >>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>>> >>>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>>> (e.g. the >>>> >>>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>>> >>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>>> >>>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>>> >>>> language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>>> >>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>>> >>>> (IUSS) >>>> >>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>>> >>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>>> >>>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>>> >>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Kyle >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>>> >>>> PM >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>>> >>>> reduplication systems >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> >>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>>> have a >>>> >>>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>>> lost >>>> >>>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> >>>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>>> any >>>> >>>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>>> >>>> information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------ --- ---------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing >>>> >>>> list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>>> Histling-l mailing >>>> >>>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090211 /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> ***************************************** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>>> list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- Prof. Dr. Paul J. 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Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:26:46 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: Message-ID: <002d01c98c76$4c9802f0$6501a8c0 at leordinateur> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and adjectives ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs Scott Catledge -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to histling-l at mailman.rice.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu You can reach the person managing the list at histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 From: John Kyle Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , ? Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this Multilateral Project or Network seeking recognized Applicant and Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for this very ambitious Centralized Action. Best regards, Domenec Mendez 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com domenec.mendeth at gmail.com * * *LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries.* *Project Title *(300): Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among Indo-European Languages remarking true and partial cognates as well as false friends and similar/dissimilar syntactic structures. A new tool in applied linguistics designed half way between a reference and an activity book. *Project Acronym* (7): CBD&IEL *Full name of the organisation *(62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas Non-Profit Association. *Internet address *(62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 2. *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP *(500): CBD&IOL project involves both the comparative research of statistics on true/partial cognates and false friends as well as the actual implementation of this data by designing a new tool in applied linguistics that affects all subprogrammes and specific objectives of LLP in such a way that no other project has ever done before, that is, constructing a solid European and global identity based on the common traits of lexis and syntax of Indo-European languages. *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP* (500): Entries in Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries are headed by the term in L1 with its most common translation in L2 immediately under -instead of next to it- whenever possible. This unique layout emphasizes the cognitive process to associate both terms and relate all languages which should increase the awareness of an European identity, giving priority particulary to raising skill levels, developing coherent and comprehensive LL strategies and promoting innovation and creativity. *Type of outcome/product/result* (50): research, diccionaries, CD. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From domenec.mendeth at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:01:43 2009 From: domenec.mendeth at gmail.com (Domenec Mendez) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:01:43 +0100 Subject: LLP Call for Papers. KA 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach. In-Reply-To: <3333ae570902151300t34e5ba9ayfbfbf9a86d5ccdbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this multilateral project or network seeking recognized Applicant and Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for this very ambitious Centralized Action. We are still preparing a third proposal intended to establish an International LiveScripts Association for the use of movie transcripts from DVD and TV premiers as reading guides. Best regards, Domenec Mendez 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com domenec.mendeth at gmail.com *LLP Call for Paper. Key Activity 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach.* *Project Title *(300): The Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach to FLT is a comparative research of methodologies to implement the most effective features of both by means of internet chats, e.mailing and ICT. *Project Acronym* (7): DM&MFA *Full name of the organisation* (62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas Non-Profit Association. *Internet address* (62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 3. * * *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP* (500): By following the Direct Method, private tuition during a six-month language course of 70 hours increases the linguistic competence of students with short-term needs of listening/speaking skills to almost an intermediate level (no data available on reading/writing skills). Implementing the use of ICT to recreate a private tuition environment should affect all subprogrammes and most objectives of LLP by reducing the time frame to obtain basic skills in a foreign language. * * *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP *(500): The Multifunctional approach to FLT works at best in target-language countries. In non target-language countries, beginner students need a more systematic and structural methodology to make up for the lack of exposure to the target language outside the classroom. A set of live dialogues agreed and practiced with international students in oral chats would certainly raise skill levels, develop coherent LL strategies as well as promote innovation and creativity. * * *Type of outcome/product/result *(50): research, methodology, software. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Que tal Ana, gracias por tu respuesta, tu interes y ganas por participar. la idea que planteas de un diccionario multilingue de cognados IE me parece genial, cito uno en la bibliografia del articulo pero es antiguo. creo que la manera de proceder es convencer a los jefes de departamentos de tantas universidades como sea posible para participar en la solicitud, y que a partir de aqui decidamos que universidad o institucion hara esa solicitud, quien coordinara el proyecto global, quien sera el beneficiario de la subvencion de darse la feliz circunstancia, asi como los productos que se crearan y los derechos de autor sobre los mismos. falta este acuerdo institucional para realmente solicitar un proyecto o network multilateral y te animo a que lo propongas en las universidades que conozcas. seguimos en contacto, Domenec 2009/2/17 "Ana Ibañez Moreno" > Hola Domenec, > de los dos proyectos que he mirado el que más me interesa es el éste de los > cognate bilingual dictionaries. Yo estoy estudiando Holandés en el > departamento de español de Gante y podría contribuir con esta lengua o con > el francés, lengua que hablo y que pretendo también mejorar. En mi > departamento tienen una herramienta de trabajo creada para los que quieren > practicar estrategias de comunicación tanto en inglés, español, francés o > alemán, y se pueden combinar cualquiera de ellas. También está editado como > libro de texto, se llama Spreektaal. Los alumnos lo usan para encontrar > ejemplos de expresiones de todo tipo, por lo que el programa de ordenador > tiene grabaciones reales. > Cualquier cosa que sea práctica como la propuesta de este diccionario me > parece muy bien. En vez de ser bilingüe propongo que sea una base de datos > de cognados de idiomas IEs, no sé qué te parece la idea. Puedo informarme de > los fondos posibles que hay aquí para proyectos, pero creo que a no ser que > tengan a álgún belga a la cabeza o participando no hay nada que hacer. > Saludos y ya me dirás > Ana > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: Domenec Mendez > Fecha: Martes, 17 de Febrero de 2009, 10:12 > Asunto: Fwd: LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. > Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries. > A: ana.ibanezm at unirioja.es > > > > Que tal Ana, > > > finalmente tampoco pude ir a Cuba, me supo mal pero no podia marchar tan > lejos y ademas coincidia con otra conferencia el fin de semana en madrid, a > la que fui, sobre interculturalidad. > > > espero que hayas hecho los traslados que me decias en tu ultimo correo y > que todo vaya bien con tus estudios o profesion. > > > como sabes han abierto la inscripcion para obtener becas y fondos > europeos, estoy haciendo estas tres propuestas a universidades, conocidos, > listas de distribucion, quizas os interese a vosotros tambien, > > > saludos > > Domenec > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the > Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this > Multilateral Project or Network seeking recognized Applicant and > Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for > this very ambitious Centralized Action. > > > Best regards, > > > Domenec Mendez > > > 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 > > > www.livescripts.ning.com > > > domenec.mendeth at gmail.com > > * > * > > *> LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. Cognate > Bilingual Dictionaries.* > > > *> Project Title *(300): Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among > Indo-European Languages remarking true and partial cognates as well as false > friends and similar/dissimilar syntactic structures. A new tool in applied > linguistics designed half way between a reference and an activity book. > > *> Project Acronym* (7): CBD&IEL > > *> Full name of the organisation *(62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas > Non-Profit Association. > > *> Internet address *(62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* > > *> Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. > > *> Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 2. > > *> Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP *(500): > > > CBD&IOL project involves both the comparative research of statistics on > true/partial cognates and false friends as well as the actual implementation > of this data by designing a new tool in applied linguistics that affects all > subprogrammes and specific objectives of LLP in such a way that no other > project has ever done before, that is, constructing a solid European and > global identity based on the common traits of lexis and syntax of > Indo-European languages. > > *> Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP* (500): > > > Entries in Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries are headed by the term in L1 > with its most common translation in L2 immediately under -instead of next to > it- whenever possible. This unique layout emphasizes the cognitive process > to associate both terms and relate all languages which should increase the > awareness of an European identity, giving priority particulary to raising > skill levels, developing coherent and comprehensive LL strategies and > promoting innovation and creativity. > > *> Type of outcome/product/result* (50): research, diccionaries, CD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana Ibáñez Moreno > Profesora Ayudante > Universidad de La Rioja > Departamento de Filologías Modernas > San José de Calasanz s/n > 26004, Logroño > > tel: 0034 941 299 547 > fax 0034 941 299419 > > > -- Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3333ae570902151301q1d762703g5de9830af81b9327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Michael Horig, thank you so much for your answer, as i said, LiveScripts Non Profit Association is too young to undertake the coordination of multilateral projects, *we are precisely searching for an intitution to initiate them*. i have some collaborators but do not really have a crew to respond to. *My only concern is reaching a fair agreement among all parties involved for the explotation of the copyrights derived of our work.* thanks again for your interest and best wishes of success. Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com - Hide quoted text - On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Hörig wrote: Dear Mr. Mendez, Thank you very much for your email. Although your proposal looks very interesting, I unfortunately have to inform you that EUA is not in a position to participate in it. Our Board has a very strict policy not to accept participation in projects that were not initiated by EUA. Nevertheless, I would like to wish you the best of luck with your project. Best regards, Michael Hörig Michael Hörig Project Officer European University Association (EUA) Rue d'Egmont 13 1000 Brussels - Belgium Tel: 0032 2 230 55 44 Fax: 0032 2 230 57 51 www.eua.be On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Domenec Mendez wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the > Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this > multilateral project or network seeking recognized Applicant and > Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for > this very ambitious Centralized Action. We are still preparing a third > proposal intended to establish an International LiveScripts Association for > the use of movie transcripts from DVD and TV premiers as reading guides. > > Best regards, > > Domenec Mendez > > 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 > > www.livescripts.ning.com > > domenec.mendeth at gmail.com > > > > *LLP Call for Paper. Key Activity 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method > and Multifunctional Approach.* > > > *Project Title *(300): The Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach to > FLT is a comparative research of methodologies to implement the most > effective features of both by means of internet chats, e.mailing and ICT. > > *Project Acronym* (7): DM&MFA > > *Full name of the organisation* (62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas > Non-Profit Association. > > *Internet address* (62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* > > *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. > > *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 3. > > * > * > > *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP* (500): > > > By following the Direct Method, private tuition during a six-month > language course of 70 hours increases the linguistic competence of students > with short-term needs of listening/speaking skills to almost an intermediate > level (no data available on reading/writing skills). Implementing the use of > ICT to recreate a private tuition environment should affect all > subprogrammes and most objectives of LLP by reducing the time frame to > obtain basic skills in a foreign language. > > * > * > > *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP *(500): > > > The Multifunctional approach to FLT works at best in target-language > countries. In non target-language countries, beginner students need a more > systematic and structural methodology to make up for the lack of exposure to > the target language outside the classroom. A set of live dialogues agreed > and practiced with international students in oral chats would certainly > raise skill levels, develop coherent LL strategies as well as promote > innovation and creativity. > > * > * > > *Type of outcome/product/result *(50): research, methodology, software. > -- Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These novel perspectives, along with an increasing body of data (including work from non-Indo-European languages), provoke new and interesting questions about the very nature of grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization. This two-day workshop aims to bring together theoretical and empirical approaches to grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization, and we therefore welcome both theoretical and data-oriented submissions. Topics include (but are not restricted to): - the grammaticalization-lexicalization interface - the status of pragmaticalization - contact-induced grammaticalization - psycholinguistic approaches to directional tendencies - grammaticalization, degrammaticalization, and lexicalization within a constructional framework /Plenary speakers/ We are pleased to announce the following plenary speakers: - Nikolaus Himmelmann, University of M?nster - Tania Kuteva, University of D?sseldorf - Graeme Trousdale, University of Edinburgh - Jacqueline Visconti, University of Genova /Abstracts/ We invite abstracts for 30-minute papers (including ten minutes discussion time). Abstracts should not exceed a maximum of 400 words, including references. Please note that the deadline for abstract submission is *April 15, 2009*. Notification of acceptance will be sent out by May 15, 2009. For details about abstract submission please visit our website (see url below). /Registration/ Early registration (until July 1, 2009) is 75 Euro. Late or on-site registration will be 100 Euro. Early registration for (graduate) students is 45 euro, late registration 60 euro. Please bring some kind of identification to prove that you are a student. The fee includes the workshop package, reception, coffee, tea, and lunches. The workshop dinner will have to be paid for separately. More information about payment (bank transfer only) will be posted on our website as soon as possible. /Venue/ The workshop will be held at the University of Groningen. The city of Groningen is situated in the North of the Netherlands and is easily accessible by train (with direct trains to and from Schiphol Airport running every hour). The University's Faculty of Arts is conveniently located in the city centre, with all main attractions within walking distance. Please visit our website (see URL below) for information about travel and accommodation. /Contact/ The workshop is organized by Karin Beijering, Alexandra Lenz, and Muriel Norde. Workshop e-mail: grammaticalization at rug.nl Workshop URL: http://www.rug.nl/let/onderzoek/onderzoekinstituten/clcg/events/currenttrends/index Abstract submission address: http://linguistlist.org/confcustom/CTGR2009 -- Prof. dr. Muriel Norde Scandinavian Languages and Cultures University of Groningen P.O. Box 716 9700 AS Groningen The Netherlands http://www.let.rug.nl/~norde/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are asking for European funds to set up an International LiveScripts Association and we are looking for other partner countries and institutions to join us according to the rules we should agree on. Besides, our research has confirmed the viability of Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among Indo-European languages, the most innovative and intercultural tool in foreign language teaching which encourages the use of one single language for communication purposes but, at the same time, fostering real multilingual skills. We also seek for partners on this area. Both endeavors have been recently presented at international conferences in USA and Europe. As far as we know, no other institution or university has claimed similar investigations or actions. For example, we have proof of our research on Cognate Dictionaries as far back as 20 years ago with letters from University of California at Los Angeles, Oxford University Press and USA Copyright Office. For those reasons, we are asking for leadership of these projects although, of course, all institutions and countries are welcome to participate. Finally, considering the innovation of our proposals, we are modestly suggesting the European Commission's Education and Culture Directorate to give priority to these activities. kind regards, Domenec Mendez 34 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our teachers this year will be: PETER TRUDGILL (AGDER, NORWAY) Language contact and linguistic change in early post-Roman Britain: sociolinguistic insights LAURA WRIGHT (CAMBRIDGE, UK) Historical sociolinguistics and historical pragmatics: 18th c. printed ephemera and the London upper working-class sociolect JEROEN DARQUENNES (NAMUR, BELGIUM) Contact and conflict along the Germanic-Romance language border HELEN KELLY-HOLMES (LIMERICK, IRELAND) Minority languages and media engagement: discourses and practices in and on Irish ERNST H?KON JAHR (AGDER, NORWAY) The Arctic Pidgin Russenorsk NILS LANGER (BRISTOL, UK) Prescriptive grammars and linguistic purism MARK JANSE (GENT, BELGIUM) Asia Minor Greek: borrowing, interference, and the mixed language debate GRO-RENEE RAMB? (AGDER, NORWAY) Scandinavian - Low German contact in the late Middle Ages Classes will take place in the morning and early evening and you will have the opportunity to present your own research at a special session. The school will last for one week and the cost of 375 British Pounds includes accommodation, three meals per day, and tuition, and an excursion. If you register and pay in full before May 1st, 2009, we will give you a discount of 75 British Pounds, i.e. you will only pay 300 British Pounds. Please note that there are only 40 places available. Contact: Nils Langer, Reader in German Linguistics, School of Modern Languages, University of Bristol, BS8 1TE, UK nils.langer at bris.ac.uk Summer school website: www.bris.ac.uk/german/hison/summerschool2009 venue: www.hia.no/metochi HISON: www.philhist.uni-augsburg.de/hison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MUAS El 09/02/2009, a las 19:00, histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu escribi?: > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. LiveScripts - Non Profit Association - and Cognate Bilingual > Dictionaries (Domenec Mendez) > 2. THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL SOCIOLINGUISTICS > (Wim Vandenbussche) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:29:52 +0100 > From: Domenec Mendez > Subject: [Histling-l] LiveScripts - Non Profit Association - and > Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > <3333ae570902090029n33f963ar391294db78b6ea24 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Colleagues, > > LiveScripts Non-Profit Association, G-64961121, has a legal framework > to publish a magazine with the transcripts in original version of any > DVD or TV premier in any language as a reading guide previous to the > projection. We think it is the most motivating way to brush up your > foreign language skills or even improve them. > > We are asking for European funds to set up an International > LiveScripts Association and we are looking for other partner countries > and institutions to join us according to the rules we should agree on. > > Besides, our research has confirmed the viability of Cognate Bilingual > Dictionaries among Indo-European languages, the most innovative and > intercultural tool in foreign language teaching which encourages the > use of one single language for communication purposes but, at the same > time, fostering real multilingual skills. We also seek for partners on > this area. > > Both endeavors have been recently presented at international > conferences in USA and Europe. As far as we know, no other institution > or university has claimed similar investigations or actions. For > example, we have proof of our research on Cognate Dictionaries as far > back as 20 years ago with letters from University of California at Los > Angeles, Oxford University Press and USA Copyright Office. > For those reasons, we are asking for leadership of these projects > although, > of course, all institutions and countries are welcome to participate. > > Finally, considering the innovation of our proposals, we are modestly > suggesting the European Commission's Education and Culture Directorate > to give priority to these activities. > > kind regards, > Domenec Mendez > > 34 609 37 12 31 > www.livescripts.ning.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:57:28 +0100 > From: Wim Vandenbussche > Subject: [Histling-l] THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL > SOCIOLINGUISTICS > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > The University of Agder, > the Vrije Universiteit Brussel, > and the University of Bristol > > present the > > THIRD SUMMER SCHOOL ON HISTORICAL SOCIOLINGUISTICS > 20 - 27 August 2009 > at Metochi, Lesvos (Greece) > > Organised by the Historical Sociolinguistics Network (HISON) > > The venue is the University of Agder's Metochi > study centre, a former monastery on the Greek > island of Lesvos. > > Our teachers this year will be: > > PETER TRUDGILL (AGDER, NORWAY) > Language contact and linguistic change in early > post-Roman Britain: sociolinguistic insights > > LAURA WRIGHT (CAMBRIDGE, UK) > Historical sociolinguistics and historical > pragmatics: 18th c. printed ephemera and the > London upper working-class sociolect > > JEROEN DARQUENNES (NAMUR, BELGIUM) > Contact and conflict along the Germanic-Romance language border > > HELEN KELLY-HOLMES (LIMERICK, IRELAND) > Minority languages and media engagement: > discourses and practices in and on Irish > > ERNST H?KON JAHR (AGDER, NORWAY) > The Arctic Pidgin Russenorsk > > NILS LANGER (BRISTOL, UK) > Prescriptive grammars and linguistic purism > > MARK JANSE (GENT, BELGIUM) > Asia Minor Greek: borrowing, interference, and the mixed language > debate > > GRO-RENEE RAMB? (AGDER, NORWAY) > Scandinavian - Low German contact in the late Middle Ages > > > Classes will take place in the morning and early > evening and you will have the opportunity to > present your own research at a special session. > The school will last for one week and the cost of > 375 British Pounds includes accommodation, three > meals per day, and tuition, and an excursion. > > If you register and pay in full before May 1st, > 2009, we will give you a discount of 75 British > Pounds, i.e. you will only pay 300 British Pounds. > > Please note that there are only 40 places available. > > Contact: Nils Langer, Reader in German > Linguistics, School of Modern Languages, > University of Bristol, BS8 1TE, UK > nils.langer at bris.ac.uk > > Summer school website: www.bris.ac.uk/german/hison/summerschool2009 > > venue: www.hia.no/metochi > > HISON: www.philhist.uni-augsburg.de/hison > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From Maj-Britt.MosegaardHansen at manchester.ac.uk Tue Feb 10 11:32:39 2009 From: Maj-Britt.MosegaardHansen at manchester.ac.uk (Maj-Britt Mosegaard Hansen) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:32:39 +0000 Subject: University of Manchester postgraduate research funding Message-ID: Institution/Organization: The University of Manchester Department: Linguistics and English Language Web Address: http://www.llc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/lel/ Level: PhD Duties: Research Job Rank: PhD Specialty Areas: General Linguistics Description: Funding Opportunities for Linguistics and English Language within the School of Languages, Linguistics and Cultures at The University of Manchester Manchester is an international centre for linguistics and English language. 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The two volumes (in 4to format, 650 pages) include a presentation of Caucasian Albanian, a full grammar of the language of the texts (including remarks on minor inscriptions, language history etc.), an editio minor of the texts (Gospel of John, Lectionary) for quick reference, indices and concordances (Caucasian Albanian/Old Armenian/Old Georgian/Russian/English/Udi), and (in the second volume) the editio princeps with photographs of the single parchment sheets, facsimiles, transliteration, and parallel texts in Armenian; Georgian, Russian, Syriac, English, and Udi. The two volumes are going to be published at Br?pols (Turnhout, Belgium), see http://www.brepols.net/catalogue/index.jsp?mpk=20295&art=875817 ). The publisher expects a relevant number of orders before starting to print the volumes (that shall appear this year in spring). In case libraries or individuals are interested in ordering the two volumes they are kindly invited to follow the link mentioned above. 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Candidates are expected to apply for funding to the AHRC, ORSAS or other appropriate bodies, too. There is no separate application form for these scholarships. All new School of Modern Languages PhD applicants who have firmly accepted a place at St Andrews by 30 April 2009 (by returning the required firm acceptance form to PG Admissions) will be considered for an award. St Andrews is a top-rated but friendly university, with excellent results in the Research Assessment Exercise 2008. It offers PhD supervision in French, German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, as well as a number of interdisciplinary areas. PhD dissertations can be written in English or in the language studied. For further information see www.st-andrews.ac.uk/modlangs/postgraduate_study.php _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From jhobartkyle at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:17:51 2009 From: jhobartkyle at gmail.com (John Kyle) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 Subject: development of reduplication systems Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU Wed Feb 11 14:22:53 2009 From: Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 Subject: development of reduplication systems Message-ID: Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , ? Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Today's Topics: 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 From: John Kyle Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , ? Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. Paul Hopper --------- > Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and > adjectives > > ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs > > > > Scott Catledge > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu > [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 > 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > > > > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) > > 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) > > 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 > > From: John Kyle > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Message-ID: > > <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed > > a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > reduplication > > system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication > (and > > of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I > have > > not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which > developed > > on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I > > > would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 > > From: "Paolo Ramat" > > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: "John Kyle" , > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Dear John, > > what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many > languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense > in Classical Greek -- > > which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider > Greek as a reduplication system language? > > > > > > Prof. Paolo Ramat > > Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) > > Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane > > V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia > > Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Kyle > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost > reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a > reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a > reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me > know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with > the information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) > > From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a > lot about > > reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners > might be prone to > > focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) > VN's > > reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which > has developed (and > > is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and > Tai-Kadai tonal > > languages. > > Jeff Stebbins > > Univ. Colorado, Linguistics > > 719-660-6280 > > - - - - > > > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > > to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) > > > > ---- Original message ---- > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 > > From: "Paolo Ramat" > > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems > > To: "John Kyle" , > > > > ? > > > > Dear John, > > what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? > > I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. > the > > perfect tense in Classical Greek -- > > which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern > > Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system > > language? > > > > > > Prof. Paolo Ramat > > Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori > > (IUSS) > > Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane > > V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza > > 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia > > Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > John > > Kyle > > To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 > > PM > > Subject: [Histling-l] development of > > reduplication systems > > I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a > > reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost > > reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication > > > system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication > > system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any > > references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the > > information. Thank you. > > > > John Kyle > > jhobartkyle at gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- ---------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing > > list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > >> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >> Histling-l mailing > > list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Histling-l mailing list > > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 > > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > -- Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper Senior Fellow Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg Albertstr. 19 D-79104 Freiburg and Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities Department of English Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From mark_irwin at mac.com Wed Feb 11 23:22:49 2009 From: mark_irwin at mac.com (Mark Irwin) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 Subject: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel@71.182.212.246> Message-ID: If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it an isolate. < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system > <><><><><><><><><> Mark Irwin On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: > It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost > reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with > languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? > > The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are > surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of > newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do > isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps > someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed > (re)duplication? > > I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between > (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu > "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- > barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang > 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. > > Paul Hopper > --------- > >> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >> adjectives >> >> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >> >> >> >> Scott Catledge >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >> 2009 >> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, >> Vol 25, >> Issue 7 >> >> >> >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >> >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >> >> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >> >> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed >> >> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication >> >> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> reduplication >> (and >> >> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >> have >> >> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >> developed >> >> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >> examples, I >> >> >> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , > > >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >> tense >> in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >> consider >> Greek as a reduplication system language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >> have a >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >> lost >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >> of a >> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >> let me >> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up >> with >> the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- -- >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >> >> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll >> see a >> lot about >> >> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >> might be prone to >> >> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >> papers) >> VN's >> >> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >> which >> has developed (and >> >> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >> Tai-Kadai tonal >> >> languages. >> >> Jeff Stebbins >> >> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >> >> 719-660-6280 >> >> - - - - >> >> >> >> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >> >> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >> >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >> >> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >> (e.g. >> the >> >> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >> >> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >> >> language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >> >> (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >> >> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> John >> >> Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >> >> PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >> >> reduplication systems >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >> have a >> >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >> lost >> >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication >> >> >> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >> reduplication >> >> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >> any >> >> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >> >> information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- ---------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >> >> >> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >> >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >> list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper > Senior Fellow > Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies > Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg > Albertstr. 19 > D-79104 Freiburg > and > Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities > Department of English > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp Thu Feb 12 03:50:08 2009 From: ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp (Robert Ratcliffe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:50:08 +0900 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Message-ID: Re: reduplication I have something for you. Ratcliffe, Robert. 1996. "Drift and Noun Plural Reduplication in Afroasiatic." BSOAS LIX, part 2. pp. 297-311. In all cases where we have documentation reduplication as a plural marker, at least, is a secondary development in Afroasiatic. I hypothesize from this that reduplication as a plural marker is also a secondary development in those languages for which we don't have documentation, and thus not reconstructable for Proto-Afroasiatic, and I explain how I think this has developed. Of course for the vast majority of these languages we don't have documentation. R. Ratcliffe Tokyo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to > histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. development of reduplication (Peter Bakker) > 2. Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Paul Hopper) > 3. Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Mark Irwin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:31 +0100 > From: "Peter Bakker" > Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Many creoles have reduplication (but almost no pidgins). > If the lexifiers are the "parent languages", then creoles developed them, > because > French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic hardly have productive > reduplication. > There is a book on the subject, you can order it from: > http://www.battlebridge.com/ > > Twice as Meaningful > Reduplication in Pidgins, Creoles, and Other Contact Languages > Edited by Silvia Kouwenberg, vi + 330 pages, map, index. ISBN 1 903292 02 > 6. ?25 (Westminster Creolistics Series - 8) > > Peter Bakker > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:12:30 -0500 (EST) > From: "Paul Hopper" > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > To: "Scott" > Cc: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel at 71.182.212.246> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost > reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with languages > _developing new_ reduplicating systems? > > The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely of > Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed > reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples like > English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us examples > of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? > > I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between > (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some or > other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang "different > kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. There are many > subtypes, and a biiiig literature. > > Paul Hopper > --------- > >> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >> adjectives >> >> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >> >> >> >> Scott Catledge >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 >> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol >> 25, >> Issue 7 >> >> >> >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >> >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >> >> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >> >> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed >> >> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication >> >> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication >> (and >> >> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >> have >> >> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >> developed >> >> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I >> >> >> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense >> in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider >> Greek as a reduplication system language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> >> >> >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me >> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with >> the information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- -- >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >> >> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a >> lot about >> >> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >> might be prone to >> >> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) >> VN's >> >> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which >> has developed (and >> >> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >> Tai-Kadai tonal >> >> languages. >> >> Jeff Stebbins >> >> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >> >> 719-660-6280 >> >> - - - - >> >> >> >> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >> >> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >> >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >> >> From: "Paolo Ramat" >> >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >> >> To: "John Kyle" , >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> Dear John, >> >> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >> >> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. >> the >> >> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >> >> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >> >> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >> >> language? >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Paolo Ramat >> >> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >> >> (IUSS) >> >> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >> >> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >> >> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >> >> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> John >> >> Kyle >> >> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >> >> PM >> >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >> >> reduplication systems >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> >> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >> >> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >> reduplication >> >> >> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication >> >> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any >> >> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >> >> information. Thank you. >> >> >> >> John Kyle >> >> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- ---------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>> Histling-l mailing >> >> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> > /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Histling-l mailing list >> >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >> >> >> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >> >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper > Senior Fellow > Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies > Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg > Albertstr. 19 > D-79104 Freiburg > and > Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities > Department of English > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 > From: Mark Irwin > Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, > Issue 7 > To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had > reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it > an isolate. > > < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have > developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have > a reduplication system > > > <><><><><><><><><> > Mark Irwin > > > > > > On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: > >> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >> >> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are >> surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of >> newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do >> isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps >> someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed >> (re)duplication? >> >> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu >> "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- >> barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang >> 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >> >> Paul Hopper >> --------- >> >>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>> adjectives >>> >>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Catledge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>> 2009 >>> 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, >>> Vol 25, >>> Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> >>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>> >>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>> >>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>> >>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed >>> >>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>> reduplication >>> (and >>> >>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >>> have >>> >>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>> developed >>> >>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>> examples, I >>> >>> >>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >> > >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >>> tense >>> in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>> consider >>> Greek as a reduplication system language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>> have a >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >>> of a >>> reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >>> let me >>> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up >>> with >>> the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>> >>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll >>> see a >>> lot about >>> >>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >>> might be prone to >>> >>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>> papers) >>> VN's >>> >>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>> which >>> has developed (and >>> >>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>> >>> languages. >>> >>> Jeff Stebbins >>> >>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>> >>> 719-660-6280 >>> >>> - - - - >>> >>> >>> >>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>> >>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>> >>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>> (e.g. >>> the >>> >>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>> >>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>> >>> language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>> >>> (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>> >>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>> >>> PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>> >>> reduplication systems >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>> have a >>> >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication >>> >>> >>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>> any >>> >>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>> >>> information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>> list >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper >> Senior Fellow >> Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies >> Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg >> Albertstr. 19 >> D-79104 Freiburg >> and >> Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities >> Department of English >> Carnegie Mellon University >> Pittsburgh, PA 15213 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Histling-l mailing list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > > End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From hopper at cmu.edu Thu Feb 12 04:39:58 2009 From: hopper at cmu.edu (Paul Hopper) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:39:58 -0500 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <007d01c98cc5$00cd99d0$d10017ac@rl838c02> Message-ID: In standard Malay/Indonesian, reduplication as a marker of plurality is a recent innovation. Reduplication is not used in conjunction with numerals, for instance. However, reduplication is not itself new; only the plural sense is new. Earlier, reduplication had, and often still has, more expressive meanings such as "different kinds of", which may imply plurality and certainly licensed the fixing of the plural meaning. While the circumstances (presumably Western written language influence) are different, if it happened here couldn't it have happened in Afroasiatic too? I haven't seen the BSOAS paper, I'm afraid. Perhaps you deal with this question there. Paul Hopper > Re: reduplication > > I have something for you. > > Ratcliffe, Robert. 1996. "Drift and Noun Plural Reduplication in > Afroasiatic." BSOAS LIX, part 2. pp. 297-311. > > In all cases where we have documentation reduplication as a plural > marker, at least, is a secondary development in Afroasiatic. I hypothesize > from this that reduplication as a plural marker is also a secondary > development in those languages for which we don't have documentation, and > thus not reconstructable for Proto-Afroasiatic, and I explain how I think > this has developed. Of course for the vast majority of these languages we > don't have documentation. > > R. Ratcliffe > > Tokyo ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol > 25, Issue 9 > > >> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l or, via email, send >> a message with subject or body 'help' to >> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. development of reduplication (Peter Bakker) 2. Re: Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Paul Hopper) 3. Re: Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Mark Irwin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:31 +0100 From: "Peter Bakker" >> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication To: >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Many creoles have reduplication (but almost no pidgins). If the >> lexifiers are the "parent languages", then creoles developed them, >> because French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic hardly have >> productive reduplication. There is a book on the subject, you can order >> it from: http://www.battlebridge.com/ >> >> Twice as Meaningful Reduplication in Pidgins, Creoles, and Other Contact >> Languages Edited by Silvia Kouwenberg, vi + 330 pages, map, index. ISBN >> 1 903292 02 6. ?25 (Westminster Creolistics Series - 8) >> >> Peter Bakker >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... URL: >> > 12/24aff355/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:12:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul >> Hopper" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication >> Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: "Scott" Cc: >> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> <52121.71.182.212.246.1234393950.squirrel at 71.182.212.246> Content-Type: >> text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >> >> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely >> of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed >> reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples >> like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us >> examples of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? >> >> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some >> or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang >> "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. >> There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >> >> Paul Hopper --------- >> >>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>> adjectives >>> >>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Catledge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>> 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l >>> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> >>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>> >>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>> >>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>> >>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed >>> >>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>> reduplication (and >>> >>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I >>> have >>> >>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>> developed >>> >>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>> examples, I >>> >>> >>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0210 /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many >>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect >>> tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>> consider Greek as a reduplication system language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: John Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have >>> a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples >>> of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could >>> let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a >>> follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- --- -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0211 /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>> >>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , >>> >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see >>> a lot about >>> >>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners >>> might be prone to >>> >>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>> papers) VN's >>> >>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>> which has developed (and >>> >>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>> >>> languages. >>> >>> Jeff Stebbins >>> >>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>> >>> 719-660-6280 >>> >>> - - - - >>> >>> >>> >>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>> >>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>> >>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>> >>> To: "John Kyle" , >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear John, >>> >>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>> >>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>> (e.g. the >>> >>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>> >>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>> >>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>> >>> language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>> >>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>> >>> (IUSS) >>> >>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>> >>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>> >>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>> >>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kyle >>> >>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>> >>> PM >>> >>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>> >>> reduplication systems >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>> >>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have >>> a >>> >>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>> lost >>> >>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>> reduplication >>> >>> >>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>> reduplication >>> >>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>> any >>> >>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>> >>> information. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> John Kyle >>> >>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- --- ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>> Histling-l mailing >>> >>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>> URL: >>> >> 0211 /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Histling-l mailing list >>> >>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>> >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>> list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900 From: Mark Irwin >> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l >> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had >> reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it an >> isolate. >> >> < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >> reduplication system > >> >> <><><><><><><><><> Mark Irwin >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote: >> >>> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost >>> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with >>> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems? >>> >>> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are >>> surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly >>> developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated >>> examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can >>> give us examples of creoles that have developed (re)duplication? >>> >>> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between >>> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some >>> or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang- barang >>> "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. >>> There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature. >>> >>> Paul Hopper --------- >>> >>>> Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and >>>> adjectives >>>> >>>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Catledge >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: >>>> histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu >>>> [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of >>>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, >>>> 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l >>>> Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to >>>> >>>> histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> >>>> histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> >>>> histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> >>>> >>>> than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) >>>> >>>> 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) >>>> >>>> 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 >>>> >>>> From: John Kyle >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> developed >>>> >>>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost >>>> reduplication (and >>>> >>>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but >>>> I have >>>> >>>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which >>>> developed >>>> >>>> on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or >>>> examples, I >>>> >>>> >>>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090210 /b0 462c31/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>>> >>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: "John Kyle" , >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear John, >>>> >>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of >>>> many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the >>>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>>> >>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we >>>> consider Greek as a reduplication system language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>>> >>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) >>>> >>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>>> >>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>>> >>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: John Kyle >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>>> have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which >>>> have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained >>>> a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any >>>> examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If >>>> anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would >>>> gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------ --- -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090211 /03 2f9b5f/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) >>>> >>>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle >>>> , >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see >>>> a lot about >>>> >>>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We >>>> Westerners might be prone to >>>> >>>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those >>>> papers) VN's >>>> >>>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, >>>> which has developed (and >>>> >>>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and >>>> Tai-Kadai tonal >>>> >>>> languages. >>>> >>>> Jeff Stebbins >>>> >>>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics >>>> >>>> 719-660-6280 >>>> >>>> - - - - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep >>>> >>>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- Original message ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 >>>> >>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems >>>> >>>> To: "John Kyle" >>>> , >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear John, >>>> >>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? >>>> >>>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms >>>> (e.g. the >>>> >>>> perfect tense in Classical Greek -- >>>> >>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern >>>> >>>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system >>>> >>>> language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat >>>> >>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori >>>> >>>> (IUSS) >>>> >>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane >>>> >>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza >>>> >>>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia >>>> >>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Kyle >>>> >>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 >>>> >>>> PM >>>> >>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of >>>> >>>> reduplication systems >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have >>>> >>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't >>>> have a >>>> >>>> reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have >>>> lost >>>> >>>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> >>>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a >>>> reduplication >>>> >>>> system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of >>>> any >>>> >>>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the >>>> >>>> information. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Kyle >>>> >>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------ --- ---------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing >>>> >>>> list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________ >_______________________________________________ >>>>> Histling-l mailing >>>> >>>> list >Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>> 090211 /aa 6374b2/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Histling-l mailing list >>>> >>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> ***************************************** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>>> list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper Senior Fellow Freiburg Institute for >>> Advanced Studies Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg Albertstr. 19 >>> D-79104 Freiburg and Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities >>> Department of English Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing >>> list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >>> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list >> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu >> https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l >> >> >> End of Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 >> ***************************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list > Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu > https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l > > -- Prof. Dr. Paul J. Hopper Senior Fellow Freiburg Institute for Advanced Studies Albert-Ludwigs-Universit?t Freiburg Albertstr. 19 D-79104 Freiburg and Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor of Humanities Department of English Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From scat at cfl.rr.com Thu Feb 12 05:02:41 2009 From: scat at cfl.rr.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:02:41 -0500 Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The missing word was barbaros: I wrote it in Greek. Scott Catledge -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:26 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8 Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to histling-l at mailman.rice.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu You can reach the person managing the list at histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 (Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:26:46 -0500 From: "Scott" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 To: Message-ID: <002d01c98c76$4c9802f0$6501a8c0 at leordinateur> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Latin conjugations: tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and adjectives ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs Scott Catledge -----Original Message----- From: histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu [mailto:histling-l-bounces at mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Subject: Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 Send Histling-l mailing list submissions to histling-l at mailman.rice.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to histling-l-request at mailman.rice.edu You can reach the person managing the list at histling-l-owner at mailman.rice.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Histling-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. development of reduplication systems (John Kyle) 2. Re: development of reduplication systems (Paolo Ramat) 3. development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600 From: John Kyle Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <5290124a0902101017x3a77fecau8f9d642ee270de88 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. John Kyle jhobartkyle at gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: Paolo Ramat , John Kyle , Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a lot about reduplication in VNese and several related languages. We Westerners might be prone to focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers) VN's reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which has developed (and is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai tonal languages. Jeff Stebbins Univ. Colorado, Linguistics 719-660-6280 - - - - "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot) ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Ramat" Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems To: "John Kyle" , ? Dear John, what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense in Classical Greek -- which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system language? Prof. Paolo Ramat Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS) Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kyle To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a reduplication system. I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which developed on its own. If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the information. Thank you. 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Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this Multilateral Project or Network seeking recognized Applicant and Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for this very ambitious Centralized Action. Best regards, Domenec Mendez 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com domenec.mendeth at gmail.com * * *LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries.* *Project Title *(300): Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among Indo-European Languages remarking true and partial cognates as well as false friends and similar/dissimilar syntactic structures. A new tool in applied linguistics designed half way between a reference and an activity book. *Project Acronym* (7): CBD&IEL *Full name of the organisation *(62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas Non-Profit Association. *Internet address *(62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 2. *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP *(500): CBD&IOL project involves both the comparative research of statistics on true/partial cognates and false friends as well as the actual implementation of this data by designing a new tool in applied linguistics that affects all subprogrammes and specific objectives of LLP in such a way that no other project has ever done before, that is, constructing a solid European and global identity based on the common traits of lexis and syntax of Indo-European languages. *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP* (500): Entries in Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries are headed by the term in L1 with its most common translation in L2 immediately under -instead of next to it- whenever possible. This unique layout emphasizes the cognitive process to associate both terms and relate all languages which should increase the awareness of an European identity, giving priority particulary to raising skill levels, developing coherent and comprehensive LL strategies and promoting innovation and creativity. *Type of outcome/product/result* (50): research, diccionaries, CD. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From domenec.mendeth at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:01:43 2009 From: domenec.mendeth at gmail.com (Domenec Mendez) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:01:43 +0100 Subject: LLP Call for Papers. KA 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach. In-Reply-To: <3333ae570902151300t34e5ba9ayfbfbf9a86d5ccdbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this multilateral project or network seeking recognized Applicant and Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for this very ambitious Centralized Action. We are still preparing a third proposal intended to establish an International LiveScripts Association for the use of movie transcripts from DVD and TV premiers as reading guides. Best regards, Domenec Mendez 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com domenec.mendeth at gmail.com *LLP Call for Paper. Key Activity 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach.* *Project Title *(300): The Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach to FLT is a comparative research of methodologies to implement the most effective features of both by means of internet chats, e.mailing and ICT. *Project Acronym* (7): DM&MFA *Full name of the organisation* (62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas Non-Profit Association. *Internet address* (62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 3. * * *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP* (500): By following the Direct Method, private tuition during a six-month language course of 70 hours increases the linguistic competence of students with short-term needs of listening/speaking skills to almost an intermediate level (no data available on reading/writing skills). Implementing the use of ICT to recreate a private tuition environment should affect all subprogrammes and most objectives of LLP by reducing the time frame to obtain basic skills in a foreign language. * * *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP *(500): The Multifunctional approach to FLT works at best in target-language countries. In non target-language countries, beginner students need a more systematic and structural methodology to make up for the lack of exposure to the target language outside the classroom. A set of live dialogues agreed and practiced with international students in oral chats would certainly raise skill levels, develop coherent LL strategies as well as promote innovation and creativity. * * *Type of outcome/product/result *(50): research, methodology, software. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Que tal Ana, gracias por tu respuesta, tu interes y ganas por participar. la idea que planteas de un diccionario multilingue de cognados IE me parece genial, cito uno en la bibliografia del articulo pero es antiguo. creo que la manera de proceder es convencer a los jefes de departamentos de tantas universidades como sea posible para participar en la solicitud, y que a partir de aqui decidamos que universidad o institucion hara esa solicitud, quien coordinara el proyecto global, quien sera el beneficiario de la subvencion de darse la feliz circunstancia, asi como los productos que se crearan y los derechos de autor sobre los mismos. falta este acuerdo institucional para realmente solicitar un proyecto o network multilateral y te animo a que lo propongas en las universidades que conozcas. seguimos en contacto, Domenec 2009/2/17 "Ana Iba?ez Moreno" > Hola Domenec, > de los dos proyectos que he mirado el que m?s me interesa es el ?ste de los > cognate bilingual dictionaries. Yo estoy estudiando Holand?s en el > departamento de espa?ol de Gante y podr?a contribuir con esta lengua o con > el franc?s, lengua que hablo y que pretendo tambi?n mejorar. En mi > departamento tienen una herramienta de trabajo creada para los que quieren > practicar estrategias de comunicaci?n tanto en ingl?s, espa?ol, franc?s o > alem?n, y se pueden combinar cualquiera de ellas. Tambi?n est? editado como > libro de texto, se llama Spreektaal. Los alumnos lo usan para encontrar > ejemplos de expresiones de todo tipo, por lo que el programa de ordenador > tiene grabaciones reales. > Cualquier cosa que sea pr?ctica como la propuesta de este diccionario me > parece muy bien. En vez de ser biling?e propongo que sea una base de datos > de cognados de idiomas IEs, no s? qu? te parece la idea. Puedo informarme de > los fondos posibles que hay aqu? para proyectos, pero creo que a no ser que > tengan a ?lg?n belga a la cabeza o participando no hay nada que hacer. > Saludos y ya me dir?s > Ana > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: Domenec Mendez > Fecha: Martes, 17 de Febrero de 2009, 10:12 > Asunto: Fwd: LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. > Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries. > A: ana.ibanezm at unirioja.es > > > > Que tal Ana, > > > finalmente tampoco pude ir a Cuba, me supo mal pero no podia marchar tan > lejos y ademas coincidia con otra conferencia el fin de semana en madrid, a > la que fui, sobre interculturalidad. > > > espero que hayas hecho los traslados que me decias en tu ultimo correo y > que todo vaya bien con tus estudios o profesion. > > > como sabes han abierto la inscripcion para obtener becas y fondos > europeos, estoy haciendo estas tres propuestas a universidades, conocidos, > listas de distribucion, quizas os interese a vosotros tambien, > > > saludos > > Domenec > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the > Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this > Multilateral Project or Network seeking recognized Applicant and > Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for > this very ambitious Centralized Action. > > > Best regards, > > > Domenec Mendez > > > 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 > > > www.livescripts.ning.com > > > domenec.mendeth at gmail.com > > * > * > > *> LLP Call for Papers. Key Activity 2. Deadline: March, 31. Cognate > Bilingual Dictionaries.* > > > *> Project Title *(300): Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries among > Indo-European Languages remarking true and partial cognates as well as false > friends and similar/dissimilar syntactic structures. A new tool in applied > linguistics designed half way between a reference and an activity book. > > *> Project Acronym* (7): CBD&IEL > > *> Full name of the organisation *(62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas > Non-Profit Association. > > *> Internet address *(62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* > > *> Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. > > *> Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 2. > > *> Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP *(500): > > > CBD&IOL project involves both the comparative research of statistics on > true/partial cognates and false friends as well as the actual implementation > of this data by designing a new tool in applied linguistics that affects all > subprogrammes and specific objectives of LLP in such a way that no other > project has ever done before, that is, constructing a solid European and > global identity based on the common traits of lexis and syntax of > Indo-European languages. > > *> Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP* (500): > > > Entries in Cognate Bilingual Dictionaries are headed by the term in L1 > with its most common translation in L2 immediately under -instead of next to > it- whenever possible. This unique layout emphasizes the cognitive process > to associate both terms and relate all languages which should increase the > awareness of an European identity, giving priority particulary to raising > skill levels, developing coherent and comprehensive LL strategies and > promoting innovation and creativity. > > *> Type of outcome/product/result* (50): research, diccionaries, CD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ana Ib??ez Moreno > Profesora Ayudante > Universidad de La Rioja > Departamento de Filolog?as Modernas > San Jos? de Calasanz s/n > 26004, Logro?o > > tel: 0034 941 299 547 > fax 0034 941 299419 > > > -- Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3333ae570902151301q1d762703g5de9830af81b9327@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Michael Horig, thank you so much for your answer, as i said, LiveScripts Non Profit Association is too young to undertake the coordination of multilateral projects, *we are precisely searching for an intitution to initiate them*. i have some collaborators but do not really have a crew to respond to. *My only concern is reaching a fair agreement among all parties involved for the explotation of the copyrights derived of our work.* thanks again for your interest and best wishes of success. Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com - Hide quoted text - On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael H?rig wrote: Dear Mr. Mendez, Thank you very much for your email. Although your proposal looks very interesting, I unfortunately have to inform you that EUA is not in a position to participate in it. Our Board has a very strict policy not to accept participation in projects that were not initiated by EUA. Nevertheless, I would like to wish you the best of luck with your project. Best regards, Michael H?rig Michael H?rig Project Officer European University Association (EUA) Rue d'Egmont 13 1000 Brussels - Belgium Tel: 0032 2 230 55 44 Fax: 0032 2 230 57 51 www.eua.be On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Domenec Mendez wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > You are kindly invited to debate this summary of our application to the > Life-Long Learning Programme and consider your participation in this > multilateral project or network seeking recognized Applicant and > Coordinating Organizations as well as a Consortium as wide as possible for > this very ambitious Centralized Action. We are still preparing a third > proposal intended to establish an International LiveScripts Association for > the use of movie transcripts from DVD and TV premiers as reading guides. > > Best regards, > > Domenec Mendez > > 34 93 734 97 42 / 609 37 12 31 > > www.livescripts.ning.com > > domenec.mendeth at gmail.com > > > > *LLP Call for Paper. Key Activity 3. Deadline: March, 31. Direct Method > and Multifunctional Approach.* > > > *Project Title *(300): The Direct Method and Multifunctional Approach to > FLT is a comparative research of methodologies to implement the most > effective features of both by means of internet chats, e.mailing and ICT. > > *Project Acronym* (7): DM&MFA > > *Full name of the organisation* (62): LiveScripts-Guiones de Peliculas > Non-Profit Association. > > *Internet address* (62): *www.livescripts.ning.com* > > *Programme or innitiative *(18): Transversal Programme. > > *Sub-programme/ action* (16): Key Activity 3. > > * > * > > *Describe briefly how your project adresses objectives of LLP* (500): > > > By following the Direct Method, private tuition during a six-month > language course of 70 hours increases the linguistic competence of students > with short-term needs of listening/speaking skills to almost an intermediate > level (no data available on reading/writing skills). Implementing the use of > ICT to recreate a private tuition environment should affect all > subprogrammes and most objectives of LLP by reducing the time frame to > obtain basic skills in a foreign language. > > * > * > > *Describe briefly how your project adresses priorities of LLP *(500): > > > The Multifunctional approach to FLT works at best in target-language > countries. In non target-language countries, beginner students need a more > systematic and structural methodology to make up for the lack of exposure to > the target language outside the classroom. A set of live dialogues agreed > and practiced with international students in oral chats would certainly > raise skill levels, develop coherent LL strategies as well as promote > innovation and creativity. > > * > * > > *Type of outcome/product/result *(50): research, methodology, software. > -- Domenec Mendez 609 37 12 31 www.livescripts.ning.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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