From phonosemantics at earthlink.net Fri May 1 20:22:25 2009 From: phonosemantics at earthlink.net (jess tauber) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:22:25 -0400 Subject: Invitation to join Yahgan-Salishan discussion at Yahoo Groups Message-ID: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/YaghanSalishan/ All memberships and posts moderated. Here is another comparison (text mostly copied from latest message to Waata Chis): Kuipers' Proto-Salish on pg. 89 of the etymological dictionary has: *q'ap'XW/xw (hazel)nut Comox q'vpXWay? unid. tree w. strong wood q'vpxwim (poss. q'vp'xwim/q'vp'k'wim) make crunching noise q'vpxwi?qw (poss. q'vpXWi?qw) edible cartilage in salmon's nose Sechelt q'vp'aXW Squamish q'p'aXW Cowichan p'q'waXW (inversion) Nooksack q'p'uxw Saanich qwp'aXW ((w err. for ' ?) Lushootseed q'ap'uXW/q'p'uXW Twana q'ap'uXW Chehalis k'ap'uXW Lillooet q'ap'XW Thompson q'apuxw Shuswap qep'XW Columbia q'ap'xwa? Colville q'ip'xwa? Spokane q'ep'xwe? Coeur d'Alene q'ip'xwe? Kalispel q'e:p'exw sound of st. hard that cracks when you unexpectedly bite on it, eg. stone in bread. Yahgan (adapted from HG1933) has apauusha/ ipauusha 'gristly parts in the joints' (also skin covering the gums). Forms in Salishan with plain uvular stops commonly seem to have comparable Yahgan forms lacking the stop, but often with a y- or high front vowel, sometimes a velar replacing it. Yahgan has no uvulars (or for that matter glottalized series). Jess Tauber phonosemantics at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From alexis.michaud at vjf.cnrs.fr Fri May 8 13:50:40 2009 From: alexis.michaud at vjf.cnrs.fr (Alexis Michaud) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:50:40 +0200 Subject: Query: Creation of nasal vowels by lenition of preceding nasal consonants Message-ID: Dear HistLingers, I was wondering if someone knew of languages in which (phonemic) nasal vowels had developed from the influence of PRECEDING nasal consonants? In languages of East and Southeast Asia, there are quite a few examples where the feature of nasality transphonologizes from a nasal consonant – usually a nasal which is part of a cluster: typically a fricative or stop plus /m, n, ŋ/ – to the following vowel (=to the syllable rhyme). Since Haudricourt discovered an instance of this phenomenon in Lakkia, the same observation was repeated in languages belonging to other East and Southeast Asian language families: Austroasiatic and Tibeto-Burman. The cases reported to date are: Lakkia, Mon, Yi, Tamang, Naxi, Na, Shixing, Pumi and Nu. More recently, Guillaume Jacques suggested to me that something similar had occurred in Indoeuropean, in Celtic: Breton kraoñ, Welsh cnau, Irish cnú for 'walnut'. The idea is to bring together examples from different languages, with as much detail as possible, to understand the conditions under which this type of change takes place. With many thanks, Alexis Michaud PS Here is a brief summary of the telltale example of the nasal vowels of Lakkia (Tai-Kadai family). Haudricourt 1967 hypothesized that these nasal vowels were derived, not from earlier nasal codas, but from earlier initial nasal consonants. Comparison across languages of the Tai-Kadai family shows that some Lakkia syllables with an initial velar stop stand in a regular relation of correspondence with nasal-initial syllables in Kam and in Southwestern Thai dialects (Solnit 1988:232-234 ; Edmondson and Yang Quan 1988 ; Ferlus 1996:239). In most cases, these Lakkia words have a nasal vowel. For instance, ‘dog’, reconstructed as /*kʰma/, has become /kʰwõ/ in Lakkia, i.e. the medial nasal /m/ is no longer present; it left as its traces a semi-vowel /w/, and the (phonemic) nasalization of the following vowel. (Tones not indicated here.) -- Alexis Michaud laboratoire Langues et Civilisations à Tradition Orale http://lacito.vjf.cnrs.fr/ tél. 01.49.58.37.49 (bureau) / 09.50.80.01.38 (domicile) from abroad: 00 33 149 583 749 (office) / 00 33 950 800 138 (home) Pages personnelles / Web pages: http://ed268.univ-paris3.fr/lpp/pages/EQUIPE/michaud/ _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From ac6000 at wayne.edu Fri May 8 18:51:45 2009 From: ac6000 at wayne.edu (Martha Ratliff) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:51:45 -0400 Subject: creation of nasal vowels Message-ID: Dear Alexis, A former student of mine, Evanthia Diakoumakou, wrote her dissertation under Pam Beddor at the the University of Michigan on "carryover" vowel nasalization in Greek ("Coarticulatory Vowel Nasalization in Modern Greek"). She also looked at the phenomenon in a number of other languages, and drew a connection between syllable structure and anticipatory vs. perseverative vowel nasalization. Here is an abstract of the dissertation: http://linguistlist.org/pubs/diss/browse-diss-action.cfm?DissID=5603 . Best regards, Martha Ratliff Martha Ratliff Linguistics Program Wayne State University 5057 Woodward Ave., Room 9408 Detroit, MI 48202 ac6000 at wayne.edu 313-577-7692 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk Wed May 27 00:41:56 2009 From: johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk (John Charles Smith) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:41:56 +0100 Subject: ISHL Nominations Message-ID: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR HISTORICAL LINGUISTICS Dear Friends and Colleagues, Several positions in the Society will fall vacant this year, and at the Business Meeting to be held during the Nijmegen ICHL a vote will be taken on proposals to fill these vacancies. I have now heard from the ISHL Nominating Committee, who have made the following nominations: i) FUTURE PRESIDENT/CONFERENCE DIRECTOR (for 2013) Dag Trygve Truslew Haug (University of Oslo, Norway) ii) MEMBER OF EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (to serve until 2015) Michele Loporcaro (University of Zurich, Switzerland) iii) MEMBER OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE (to serve until 2017) Heidi Quinn (University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand) iv) SECRETARY The Nominating Committee proposes that John Charles Smith (University of Oxford, U.K.) should continue to serve as Secretary of the Society. With these nominations, the composition of the Society's Committees will be as follows: EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE President and Director of the 2011 Conference: Ritsuko Kikusawa (Osaka) Future Conference Director (2013) Dag Trygve Truslew Haug (Oslo) Former Conference Director: Ans van Kemenade (Nijmegen) Secretary: John Charles Smith (Oxford) Other Members: Elly van Gelderen (Tempe), until 2011 Alan Dench (Perth), until 2013 Michele Loporcaro (Zurich), until 2015. NOMINATING COMMITTEE Chair: Malcolm Ross (Canberra), until 2011 Other Members: David Willis (Cambridge), until 2013 Bridget Drinka (San Antonio), until 2015 Heidi Quinn (Christchurch), until 2017. According to the Society's Constitution, individual members may also make nominations. Should anyone wish to do so, could they please let both the Secretary (johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk) and the current Chair of the Nominating Committee (company at servidor.unam.mx) know by email as soon as possible, and in any event before 1 July. Nominations will require the signatures of six proposers and the written consent of the nominee. The nominee and all of the proposers should be members of the Society. I look forward to seeing you in Nijmegen. All good wishes, John Charles Smith Secretary, ISHL -- John Charles Smith Official Fellow and Tutor, St Catherine's College, Oxford, OX1 3UJ, UK Deputy Director, Research Centre for Romance Linguistics, University of Oxford tel. +44 1865 271700 (College) / 271748 (direct) / 271768 (fax) _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From phonosemantics at earthlink.net Fri May 1 20:22:25 2009 From: phonosemantics at earthlink.net (jess tauber) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:22:25 -0400 Subject: Invitation to join Yahgan-Salishan discussion at Yahoo Groups Message-ID: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/YaghanSalishan/ All memberships and posts moderated. Here is another comparison (text mostly copied from latest message to Waata Chis): Kuipers' Proto-Salish on pg. 89 of the etymological dictionary has: *q'ap'XW/xw (hazel)nut Comox q'vpXWay? unid. tree w. strong wood q'vpxwim (poss. q'vp'xwim/q'vp'k'wim) make crunching noise q'vpxwi?qw (poss. q'vpXWi?qw) edible cartilage in salmon's nose Sechelt q'vp'aXW Squamish q'p'aXW Cowichan p'q'waXW (inversion) Nooksack q'p'uxw Saanich qwp'aXW ((w err. for ' ?) Lushootseed q'ap'uXW/q'p'uXW Twana q'ap'uXW Chehalis k'ap'uXW Lillooet q'ap'XW Thompson q'apuxw Shuswap qep'XW Columbia q'ap'xwa? Colville q'ip'xwa? Spokane q'ep'xwe? Coeur d'Alene q'ip'xwe? Kalispel q'e:p'exw sound of st. hard that cracks when you unexpectedly bite on it, eg. stone in bread. Yahgan (adapted from HG1933) has apauusha/ ipauusha 'gristly parts in the joints' (also skin covering the gums). Forms in Salishan with plain uvular stops commonly seem to have comparable Yahgan forms lacking the stop, but often with a y- or high front vowel, sometimes a velar replacing it. Yahgan has no uvulars (or for that matter glottalized series). Jess Tauber phonosemantics at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From alexis.michaud at vjf.cnrs.fr Fri May 8 13:50:40 2009 From: alexis.michaud at vjf.cnrs.fr (Alexis Michaud) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:50:40 +0200 Subject: Query: Creation of nasal vowels by lenition of preceding nasal consonants Message-ID: Dear HistLingers, I was wondering if someone knew of languages in which (phonemic) nasal vowels had developed from the influence of PRECEDING nasal consonants? In languages of East and Southeast Asia, there are quite a few examples where the feature of nasality transphonologizes from a nasal consonant ? usually a nasal which is part of a cluster: typically a fricative or stop plus /m, n, ?/ ? to the following vowel (=to the syllable rhyme). Since Haudricourt discovered an instance of this phenomenon in Lakkia, the same observation was repeated in languages belonging to other East and Southeast Asian language families: Austroasiatic and Tibeto-Burman. The cases reported to date are: Lakkia, Mon, Yi, Tamang, Naxi, Na, Shixing, Pumi and Nu. More recently, Guillaume Jacques suggested to me that something similar had occurred in Indoeuropean, in Celtic: Breton krao?, Welsh cnau, Irish cn? for 'walnut'. The idea is to bring together examples from different languages, with as much detail as possible, to understand the conditions under which this type of change takes place. With many thanks, Alexis Michaud PS Here is a brief summary of the telltale example of the nasal vowels of Lakkia (Tai-Kadai family). Haudricourt 1967 hypothesized that these nasal vowels were derived, not from earlier nasal codas, but from earlier initial nasal consonants. Comparison across languages of the Tai-Kadai family shows that some Lakkia syllables with an initial velar stop stand in a regular relation of correspondence with nasal-initial syllables in Kam and in Southwestern Thai dialects (Solnit 1988:232-234 ; Edmondson and Yang Quan 1988 ; Ferlus 1996:239). In most cases, these Lakkia words have a nasal vowel. For instance, ?dog?, reconstructed as /*k?ma/, has become /k?wo?/ in Lakkia, i.e. the medial nasal /m/ is no longer present; it left as its traces a semi-vowel /w/, and the (phonemic) nasalization of the following vowel. (Tones not indicated here.) -- Alexis Michaud laboratoire Langues et Civilisations ? Tradition Orale http://lacito.vjf.cnrs.fr/ t?l. 01.49.58.37.49 (bureau) / 09.50.80.01.38 (domicile) from abroad: 00 33 149 583 749 (office) / 00 33 950 800 138 (home) Pages personnelles / Web pages: http://ed268.univ-paris3.fr/lpp/pages/EQUIPE/michaud/ _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From ac6000 at wayne.edu Fri May 8 18:51:45 2009 From: ac6000 at wayne.edu (Martha Ratliff) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:51:45 -0400 Subject: creation of nasal vowels Message-ID: Dear Alexis, A former student of mine, Evanthia Diakoumakou, wrote her dissertation under Pam Beddor at the the University of Michigan on "carryover" vowel nasalization in Greek ("Coarticulatory Vowel Nasalization in Modern Greek"). She also looked at the phenomenon in a number of other languages, and drew a connection between syllable structure and anticipatory vs. perseverative vowel nasalization. Here is an abstract of the dissertation: http://linguistlist.org/pubs/diss/browse-diss-action.cfm?DissID=5603 . Best regards, Martha Ratliff Martha Ratliff Linguistics Program Wayne State University 5057 Woodward Ave., Room 9408 Detroit, MI 48202 ac6000 at wayne.edu 313-577-7692 _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l From johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk Wed May 27 00:41:56 2009 From: johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk (John Charles Smith) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:41:56 +0100 Subject: ISHL Nominations Message-ID: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR HISTORICAL LINGUISTICS Dear Friends and Colleagues, Several positions in the Society will fall vacant this year, and at the Business Meeting to be held during the Nijmegen ICHL a vote will be taken on proposals to fill these vacancies. I have now heard from the ISHL Nominating Committee, who have made the following nominations: i) FUTURE PRESIDENT/CONFERENCE DIRECTOR (for 2013) Dag Trygve Truslew Haug (University of Oslo, Norway) ii) MEMBER OF EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (to serve until 2015) Michele Loporcaro (University of Zurich, Switzerland) iii) MEMBER OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE (to serve until 2017) Heidi Quinn (University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand) iv) SECRETARY The Nominating Committee proposes that John Charles Smith (University of Oxford, U.K.) should continue to serve as Secretary of the Society. With these nominations, the composition of the Society's Committees will be as follows: EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE President and Director of the 2011 Conference: Ritsuko Kikusawa (Osaka) Future Conference Director (2013) Dag Trygve Truslew Haug (Oslo) Former Conference Director: Ans van Kemenade (Nijmegen) Secretary: John Charles Smith (Oxford) Other Members: Elly van Gelderen (Tempe), until 2011 Alan Dench (Perth), until 2013 Michele Loporcaro (Zurich), until 2015. NOMINATING COMMITTEE Chair: Malcolm Ross (Canberra), until 2011 Other Members: David Willis (Cambridge), until 2013 Bridget Drinka (San Antonio), until 2015 Heidi Quinn (Christchurch), until 2017. According to the Society's Constitution, individual members may also make nominations. Should anyone wish to do so, could they please let both the Secretary (johncharles.smith at stcatz.ox.ac.uk) and the current Chair of the Nominating Committee (company at servidor.unam.mx) know by email as soon as possible, and in any event before 1 July. Nominations will require the signatures of six proposers and the written consent of the nominee. The nominee and all of the proposers should be members of the Society. I look forward to seeing you in Nijmegen. All good wishes, John Charles Smith Secretary, ISHL -- John Charles Smith Official Fellow and Tutor, St Catherine's College, Oxford, OX1 3UJ, UK Deputy Director, Research Centre for Romance Linguistics, University of Oxford tel. +44 1865 271700 (College) / 271748 (direct) / 271768 (fax) _______________________________________________ Histling-l mailing list Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu https://mailman.rice.edu/mailman/listinfo/histling-l