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I find these "changes" from /l/ to a variety of sibilants (without a suggestion of intermediate steps) hard to believe. I don't know the language families in question, let alone the reasons for the reconstruction of */l/ in the specific proto-languages, but could the */l/ be from yet another proto-phoneme, such as a **dental, so that the lateral and the sibilant might have a common ancestor, with the */l/ reconstructed because of its preponderance within the family rather than the phonetic plausibility of *lateral > sibilant? Even assuming that */l/ is the correct reconstruction, it is one thing to say that /s/ is the reflex of */l/ in language X, another to say (or imply) that the change has been (directly) */l/ > /s/. <br><br>(The Quechua example seems to be of a different type than the other ones, since it involves a palatalized consonant, not the plain /l/). <br><br> marie-lucie tarpent <br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:42:02 +0200<br>From: parkvall@ling.su.se<br>To: histling-l@mailman.rice.edu<br>Subject: Re: [Histling-l] l vs. s, sh?<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="">I haven’t
systematicaly searched for sound changes, but whenever I come
across a table or
the like citing many of them at once, I usually save them in a
file. Who knows what may
come in handy some sunny day? For whatever it’s worth, here are
the cases I
have in that note file which might fit the bill:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">* Proto-Algonquian
→ Arapaho:</span> /ɬ<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>θ/
(Picard
1994:4)<span style=""></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="">* </span>Proto-Algonquian
→ Blackfoot: /l<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>ʃ/
(Berman
2006:365)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* <span style="color: black;">Proto-Algonquian
→ Woods Cree:</span> /<span style="color: black;">l</span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span><span style="color: black;">ð</span>/
<span style="">(Bakker 1996b:5)</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="">* </span>proto-Austronesian
→→ Basay: /l<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>c/ (Li
2004:367)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* Proto-Min → some Min dialects: /toneless l<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>ʃ/ (Norman 1988:233)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* Proto-Min → some Western Min dialects:
/toneless l<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>s/ (Norman
1988:233)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* Proto-Ongamo-Maa → Ngasa: /ɬ<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>h/ (Vossen & Heine
1989:191-3)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* proto-Quechua → Argentinian Quechua of
Santiago del Estero:
/lʲ<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>ʒ/ (Adelaar
2004:204) [Citing from memory, doesn't this characterise
Argentinian Spanish as well?]<br>
</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">* proto-Quechua → some Quechua varieties of
Argentina and Ecuador:
/lʲ<span style="font-size: 13pt;">/ → /</span>ʧ/ (Adelaar
2004:204)</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The IPA is in Unicode. I can provide the refs
if anyone needs
them.</p>
<br>
<br>
/mp<br>
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