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Sorry, this is not a good argument.
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<div>Even when one has very strong evidence that a crime has been committed, one is obligated to follow the procedures of due process. </div>
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<div>This should not be controversial.</div>
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<div>Right, I agree that the identities of the person who committed the offence and the person against whom it was committed are not relevant to</div>
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<div>Shalom</div>
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<div>On 30 Mar 2014, at 11:13, Gisbert Fanselow <<a href="mailto:gisbert.fanselow@GMAIL.COM">gisbert.fanselow@GMAIL.COM</a>></div>
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<div>I may have had a reaction similar to Valia Kordoni's at the very first moment when I read Stefan's mail, but then I realized that<br>
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(c) trust in each other is the most important thing for scientific exchange, and any acts than endanger this trust and therefore the open scientific exchange must be publicly discussed.
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The key feature of the present case is the obvious nature of the violation. We may often hear ideas in a talk, forget about the talk later, and then formulate the same idea later without any bad intention. One would need a careful discussion in this case. But
what if, as in the present case, everything is obvious?<br>
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As a side remark, I fail to see why +/- female plays a role here ...<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-30 11:31 GMT+02:00 Stephan Oepen <span dir="ltr">
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> a mailing list, and we are all implicitly/explicitly being asked to pass<br>
> judgements on the scientific deeds and the quality of such deeds of a<br>
> (female) person, and to take sides.<br>
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