From clairebowern at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  1 04:29:39 2010
From: clairebowern at GMAIL.COM (Claire Bowern)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:29:39 -0400
Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0pO024V3K_zjaT28Ds0Q8Wd5tIW4DrlzAwEYU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.002939.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Loretta,
this may have been answered already, but with regard to 3) if you
define the language settings for whatever the part of speech language
is to be unicode (and with a unicode font), it should recognise them
automatically. Definitely not good to have to change them one by one!
Claire

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:10 AM, loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all -
> I just sent the following email to the Lexique Pro support page -- but perhaps one of you has an answer?
> Thank you - Loretta
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
> Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
> To: support1 at lexiquepro.com
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> I've been surfing a bit, trying to find a user group website for Lexique Pro. I'm putting the finishing touches on an online dictionary -- hooray hooray, and thank you very much for this program! -- but having the same type of problem over and over. I'd be happy to "put this out there", to see if another user has already encountered and solved these problems, so please let me know if I should direct this email elsewhere.
>
> Meanwhile...
>
> 1) How can I re-use formatting details such as font type/color/size, language sorts, category names? I've tried copying chunks of a carefully-defined .Config file to newly created .Config files, but this doesn't help.
>
> 2) I clearly don't quite understand how the function of creating a lexicon relates to opening a lexicon. I keep re-doing everything every time I create one (with all my preferences) and then open one (and have to repeat the process of defining all my preferences).
>
> 3) A real heart-breaker: LP doesn't recognize Unicode characters for accented vowels in my Spanish-language Semantic Domain field. I have to fix these, one by one, for the default field name and for my user-defined labels, each time I read in a modified lexicon file! Kinda makes a gal want to stop fixing errors in the lexicon, which of course I cannot do.
>
> I love the product, but I would also love to stop doing full or even partial set-ups every time I open a lexicon file.
>
> Please send any suggestions, and thank you for your time.
> Loretta O'Connor
>
>
>
>


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:07:09 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:07:09 -0700
Subject: Finding their voice (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.000709.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Finding their voice

China Daily, June 29, 2010

Hulunbuir in Inner Mongolia autonomous region is a place of rich linguistic
resources. Located on the northeastern corner of China and neighboring
Russia and Mongolia, the area has a number of resident ethnic groups that
have their own cultures and languages.

However, modernization and urbanization mean that more people in the area
are adopting Putonghua, or Mandarin, as their main language and forsaking
their own.

"Many people of my parents' generation cannot speak Putonghua. People of my
age usually can speak both languages, but are better at Ewenki," says
Eerdemutu, a 38-year-old Ewenki man who lives in the Ewenki autonomous
banner of Hulunbuir.

Access full article below:
http://www.china.org.cn/arts/2010-06/29/content_20377444.htm
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:10:30 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:10:30 -0700
Subject: Biocultural diversity: The true web of life (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.001030.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Biocultural diversity: The true web of life

Posted on June 29, 2010
By Luisa Maffi

Q.: Quick, what do a congress of the International Society of Ethnobiology,
a meeting of International Funders for Indigenous Peoples, and an
international conference co-organized by the UN Convention on Biological
Diversity and UNESCO have in common?

A.: Other than the fact that all three events took place in Canada over the
past two months, what they all have in common is that one of the most
frequently mentioned words in each case was "biocultural diversity."

I participated in all three events--and, as the co-founder of Terralingua,
the first organization to be devoted to sustaining biocultural diversity, I
was both pleased and amazed to see how rapidly "biocultural diversity" is
now becoming a household name, at least in academic, advocacy, and policy
circles.

Access full article below:
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2010/06/biocultural-diversity-the-true-web-of-life.html
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:04:13 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:04:13 -0700
Subject: A native language lives on young tongues (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.000413.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A native language lives on young tongues

By Melissa Lampman - Kamloops This Week
Published: June 29, 2010 1:00 PM

R Secwépemc cw7it ri7 r set‍síntens.

This means: “There are many Secwepemc songs” in the traditional language of
Secwepemctsin, or Shuswap, which is the language spoken by the Secwepemc
people of east-central B.C.

In a classroom at Ralph Bell elementary, a group of students in kindergarten
to Grade 7 sit in a circle, singing the Welcome Song in Shuswap.

The students are aboriginal and non-aboriginal, but they have a common goal
— to preserve a language near extinction.

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From lmtoconnor at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  1 07:21:42 2010
From: lmtoconnor at GMAIL.COM (loretta oconnor)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:21:42 +0200
Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilEqhGGxMZ8dVQLpKBRnTMjECt5ulZw-SNbkZKn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.092142.0200.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Claire,

Thanks for this suggestion, but I'm afraid it's something in the LP code
that generates whatever level of interface involving the Categories field.
(All my Toolbox data is defined as unicode.) After further testing, I need
to correct my earlier description about what happens when reading in a new
lexicon:

-  The data in the \sd field loses any accented vowels, replacing them with
font instructions (e.g. 'acutea')

- Any user-defined labels *do* retain accented vowels - the labels that lose
them are in fact the ones that just repeat the info from the \sd field, by
default (this was what fooled me in my earlier description of the problem)

- There is a pull-down menu on the Category Definition screen where I can
select a properly accented version of the info in the \sd field - ! I still
have to replace them one by one, but I don't have to type them!

Clearly LP recognizes and reproduces special characters such as accented
vowels -- everywhere except in the Categories main processing?

Thanks,
Loretta

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Claire Bowern <clairebowern at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Loretta,
> this may have been answered already, but with regard to 3) if you
> define the language settings for whatever the part of speech language
> is to be unicode (and with a unicode font), it should recognise them
> automatically. Definitely not good to have to change them one by one!
> Claire
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:10 AM, loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello all -
> > I just sent the following email to the Lexique Pro support page -- but
> perhaps one of you has an answer?
> > Thank you - Loretta
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
> > Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
> > To: support1 at lexiquepro.com
> >
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I've been surfing a bit, trying to find a user group website for Lexique
> Pro. I'm putting the finishing touches on an online dictionary -- hooray
> hooray, and thank you very much for this program! -- but having the same
> type of problem over and over. I'd be happy to "put this out there", to see
> if another user has already encountered and solved these problems, so please
> let me know if I should direct this email elsewhere.
> >
> > Meanwhile...
> >
> > 1) How can I re-use formatting details such as font type/color/size,
> language sorts, category names? I've tried copying chunks of a
> carefully-defined .Config file to newly created .Config files, but this
> doesn't help.
> >
> > 2) I clearly don't quite understand how the function of creating a
> lexicon relates to opening a lexicon. I keep re-doing everything every time
> I create one (with all my preferences) and then open one (and have to repeat
> the process of defining all my preferences).
> >
> > 3) A real heart-breaker: LP doesn't recognize Unicode characters for
> accented vowels in my Spanish-language Semantic Domain field. I have to fix
> these, one by one, for the default field name and for my user-defined
> labels, each time I read in a modified lexicon file! Kinda makes a gal want
> to stop fixing errors in the lexicon, which of course I cannot do.
> >
> > I love the product, but I would also love to stop doing full or even
> partial set-ups every time I open a lexicon file.
> >
> > Please send any suggestions, and thank you for your time.
> > Loretta O'Connor
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Thu Jul  1 18:08:03 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:08:03 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Andaman tribe=?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?=
 hildren - 1 July, 2010
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.140803.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Ok...here we go again...

http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Fri Jul  2 00:20:37 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 19:20:37 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Andaman tribe
 =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=99sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2CD983.4090609@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.192037.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

thanks *cousin*
I didn't even know about this important news site.
ske:noh
Richard



On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ok...here we go again...
>
> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 17:43:31 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:43:31 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=99sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil6zfIWzsoaPqBc8KSWhQRpnnmoZ3scTgDIakDI@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.134331.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some 
time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after 
subscribing...

Your mentioning /*'cousin' */is pretty interesting/* */since Jimmy and I 
had some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how 
our relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. 
Very different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth 
registrations...very interesting....
-------

wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> thanks /*cousin*/
> I didn't even know about this important news site.
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Ok...here we go again...
>
>     http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>     ______________________________________________
>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  2 17:57:38 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:57:38 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2E2543.5000301@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.125738.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!

In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding residential
schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about this proposal by
the Indian government it is particularly painful to have to acknowledge how
colonized the minds of those in former colonies who fight to gain their
independence can still be....

Eekoshi pitamaa.
Heather





On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some
> time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after
> subscribing...
>
> Your mentioning *'cousin' *is pretty interesting* *since Jimmy and I had
> some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how our
> relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. Very
> different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth
> registrations...very interesting....
>
> -------
>
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> thanks *cousin*
> I didn't even know about this important news site.
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>> Ok...here we go again...
>>
>> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>
>
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From klokeid at UVIC.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:26:05 2010
From: klokeid at UVIC.CA (Terry Klokeid)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:26:05 -0700
Subject: Israeli raid of relief aid ships to Gaza
In-Reply-To: <4C03F48E.4000202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.112605.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

On 31-05-2010, at 10:40 am, Rolland Nadjiwon wrote:

> A bit much and too far I would suggest....so are Canada and the US still supporting them, I wonder....
> 
> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html
> 
> -- 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon



IHH has issued a report:

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/ihh-issues-comprehensive-report-on-gaza-floti 


From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:50:58 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:50:58 -0400
Subject: Israeli raid of relief aid ships to Gaza
In-Reply-To: <8157D625-63DF-430B-9BCE-FFDD9131D63D@uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.145058.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Terry...thank you so much for this information.

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 02/07/2010 2:26 PM, Terry Klokeid wrote:
> On 31-05-2010, at 10:40 am, Rolland Nadjiwon wrote:
>
>    
>> A bit much and too far I would suggest....so are Canada and the US still supporting them, I wonder....
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html
>>
>> -- 
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>>      
>
>
> IHH has issued a report:
>
> http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/ihh-issues-comprehensive-report-on-gaza-floti
>
>    


From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:53:16 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:53:16 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to  remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren -  1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikWjRmAh2cQ8lqLzArejYPJCs5ttX33eQSZHPLn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.145316.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

...sure hurts eh Heather...how could it all happen again...like a rerun 
of a very bad nightmare become real....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 02/07/2010 1:57 PM, Heather Souter wrote:
> Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!
>
> In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding 
> residential schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about 
> this proposal by the Indian government it is particularly painful to 
> have to acknowledge how colonized the minds of those in former 
> colonies who fight to gain their independence can still be....
>
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for
>     some time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my
>     email after subscribing...
>
>     Your mentioning /*'cousin' */is pretty interesting/* */since Jimmy
>     and I had some conversations around the subject last week, I
>     think, and how our relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and
>     genetic relations. Very different than the confinements of
>     Canadian or American birth registrations...very interesting....
>
>     -------
>
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>     ______________________________________________
>          
>
>
>     On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>     thanks /*cousin*/
>>     I didn't even know about this important news site.
>>     ske:noh
>>     Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         Ok...here we go again...
>>
>>         http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>         rolland nadjiwon
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  2 18:55:36 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:55:36 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2E359C.7060605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.135536.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taapwee....  Believe it!  :-(

Heather

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  ...sure hurts eh Heather...how could it all happen again...like a rerun of
> a very bad nightmare become real....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 02/07/2010 1:57 PM, Heather Souter wrote:
>
> Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!
>
> In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding residential
> schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about this proposal by
> the Indian government it is particularly painful to have to acknowledge how
> colonized the minds of those in former colonies who fight to gain their
> independence can still be....
>
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some
>> time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after
>> subscribing...
>>
>> Your mentioning *'cousin' *is pretty interesting* *since Jimmy and I had
>> some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how our
>> relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. Very
>> different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth
>> registrations...very interesting....
>>
>> -------
>>
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>> thanks *cousin*
>> I didn't even know about this important news site.
>> ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok...here we go again...
>>>
>>> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Sat Jul  3 05:18:00 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:18:00 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.011800.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A good resource should you have an interest.

http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Sat Jul  3 14:20:52 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:20:52 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C2EC808.3040802@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.092052.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

 tizhamëh zharaseh !
ndae' yawahstih trondi'
(thanks cousin !
that one's reelie good!)

Sohahiyoh
(rzs)
hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ayömendeh
(Wyandotte Oklahoma)




On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> A good resource should you have an interest.
>
> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Sat Jul  3 17:34:27 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:34:27 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzWi7FHDlgRyeRqTanCsPPzWAIjc-s7_5wHp6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.133427.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with 
only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...

For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in 
your primary language and an incidental translation into English...love 
it. I am not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An 
grandfather, gone now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use 
and we don't use it, it will go back and we will lose it.

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>  tizhamëh zharaseh !
> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
> (thanks cousin !
> that one's reelie good!)
>
> Sohahiyoh
> (rzs)
> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ayömendeh
> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     A good resource should you have an interest.
>
>     http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>     ______________________________________________
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Sat Jul  3 18:25:00 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C2F74A3.10003@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.132500.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kweh Rolland!
tizhamëh!

I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly could
unwind.

Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on their
pottery
and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either emerging
or fading
and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and no
longer felt.
"When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at the
moment before
it turns...and becomes reborn...
and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"

I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own art
work.

ske:noh
Sohahiyoh
(Richard)

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with
> only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...
>
> For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in your
> primary language and an incidental translation into English...love it. I am
> not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An grandfather, gone
> now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use and we don't use it,
> it will go back and we will lose it.
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
>  tizhamëh zharaseh !
> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
> (thanks cousin !
> that one's reelie good!)
>
>  Sohahiyoh
> (rzs)
> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ayömendeh
> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>> A good resource should you have an interest.
>>
>> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 17:30:09 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:30:09 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDLQvJwBqYcLvmuE-XE2kjoc9sCzvGXhtne2bv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.133009.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Richard...thank you for the great thoughts and photos. In a couple of 
weeks, I am doing a course at UBC(University of British Colombia) on 
'Ancestral Memory'. I was thinking of using your post, with your 
permission. There are so many good ideas in it...silence, spiral, 
reborn, turning...much of it. The class is a seminar format and I will 
use your post as a generator. Thank you very much for responding.

When I was growing up, our people did not 'gab' like they do now. 
Speaking was very important but we lived most of our lives in the 
silence between the words.... My wife, my children, my grandchildren 
tell me I am becoming forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see 
today is becoming less important and I find myself thinking about the 
many things from all my grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I 
realize now, they knew I would remember....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 03/07/2010 2:25 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> Kweh Rolland!
> tizhamëh!
>
> I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
> the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
> and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
> so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
> cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
> and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
> and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly 
> could unwind.
>
> Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on 
> their pottery
> and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
> Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
> Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either 
> emerging or fading
> and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
> One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and 
> no longer felt.
> "When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
> the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at 
> the moment before
> it turns...and becomes reborn...
> and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"
>
> I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own 
> art work.
>
> ske:noh
> Sohahiyoh
> (Richard)
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for
>     one with only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three
>     times...
>
>     For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond
>     in your primary language and an incidental translation into
>     English...love it. I am not capable in our language but we don't
>     use it either. An grandfather, gone now, told us. If the creator
>     put it here for us to use and we don't use it, it will go back and
>     we will lose it.
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>     ______________________________________________
>          
>
>
>     On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>      tizhamëh zharaseh !
>>     ndae' yawahstih trondi'
>>     (thanks cousin !
>>     that one's reelie good!)
>>
>>     Sohahiyoh
>>     (rzs)
>>     hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ayömendeh
>>     (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         A good resource should you have an interest.
>>
>>         http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>         rolland nadjiwon
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 19:51:13 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:51:13 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: FW: Amazing Underwater
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.155113.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Amazing beauty of our earth...all of it.... Spread this as far and wide 
as you can...the second URL was booted off youtube...go figure...


http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/206



...that is amazing...too bad about BP spill eh....

http://www.facebook.com/?tid=1428079474853&sk=messages#!/video/video.php?v=138999366114177&ref=mf 


-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory...
______________________________________________



<http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/206>
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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Mon Jul  5 20:02:31 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:02:31 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3216A1.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.150231.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren and
their grandchildren; you are right, I¹m sure, that those who are gone knew
you would remember.

My husband has just done that ‹ from what his grandparents and other elders
born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is now in
his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the
Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
a history of their own.  It is time.

He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
modern.  And now he¹s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he¹s
remembered.  

MJ

On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:

> My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful. More
> of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and I find
> myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders I
> thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
> 
-------
wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon

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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 20:13:10 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 16:13:10 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C857A487.14763%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.161310.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and 
postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already 
here...megwetch MJ Hardman...

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory...
______________________________________________


On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your 
> grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I'm sure, that 
> those who are gone knew you would remember.
>
> My husband has just done that --- from what his grandparents and other 
> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years. 
>  He is now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 
> pages, at the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be 
> used not only in Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high 
> school so they may have a history of their own.  It is time.
>
> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one 
> modern.  And now he's thinking of the next book, of all the more that 
> he's remembered.
>
> MJ
>
> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
>     My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>     forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is
>     becoming less important and I find myself thinking about the many
>     things from all my grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten.
>     I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
>
>     rolland nadjiwon
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 01:28:18 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 20:28:18 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C323CD6.3080909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.202818.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taanshi.

Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!

I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC some
years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
continue to ponder the images ever since....

Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!

Eekoshi.  That's it.
Heather Souter


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>
> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
> knew you would remember.
>
> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other elders
> born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is now in
> his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the
> Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
> a history of their own.  It is time.
>
> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
> remembered.
>
> MJ
>
> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>
>  -------
> wahjeh
>
> rolland nadjiwon
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 02:27:27 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:27:27 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim82KIdM_vKMO2H1icGwytiA1CgC6N1cdpz2Qos@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.212727.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
something pretty universal with that thing.
I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
technology?
I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
even near this stuff.
Oh and Rolland ,
 yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to everything
from
the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations (see
jpg)
of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
artist/craftsman
I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
high-tech...

ske:noh
Richard




On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Taanshi.
>
> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>
> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>
> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>
> Eekoshi.  That's it.
> Heather Souter
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>
>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>> knew you would remember.
>>
>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>
>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>> remembered.
>>
>> MJ
>>
>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>
>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>
>>  -------
>> wahjeh
>>
>> rolland nadjiwon
>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 03:38:05 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil5-iWLBgtYwxbVESeauvpiqf19t8bzVTQhXedf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.223805.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hey, do you see an echo of the Ying and Yang symbol in the spiral....?

Eekoshi.
Heather

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net> wrote:

> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
> technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
> even near this stuff.
> Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
> (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
> high-tech...
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi.
>>
>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>> Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>> knew you would remember.
>>>
>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>
>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>> remembered.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>  -------
>>> wahjeh
>>>
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul  6 04:16:14 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 00:16:14 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil5-iWLBgtYwxbVESeauvpiqf19t8bzVTQhXedf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.001614.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have 
no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so 
many ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the 
course should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.

The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also 
how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the 
spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my 
book of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:

*oscillations*

you must sleep
you must dream

your dreaming
must dream me
or i cannot dream you
into my dream

breathing--

in and out
     motionless
under archaic lapis

in and out
     like a bronze man breathing
his azury breath
at the azury centre of time
released from all destructions—

   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about 
the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so 
clearly how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen 
Hawking, in my very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, 
technology can take us only to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. 
Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed 
poets and artists can also take you beyond where science cannot go...

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do 
> with technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to 
> come even near this stuff.
> Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to 
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of 
> civilizations (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an 
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or 
> high-tech...
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com 
> <mailto:hsouter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Taanshi.
>
>     Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some
>     really wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>
>     I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did
>     at UBC some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of
>     spirals within spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It
>     was nothing like what I had been taught in the course
>     (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I continue to ponder
>     the images ever since....
>
>     Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>
>     Eekoshi.  That's it.
>     Heather Souter
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca
>     <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>         ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive
>         comments and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we
>         really need is already here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>
>         -------
>         wahjeh
>         rolland nadjiwon
>         ______________________________________________
>
>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>         ______________________________________________
>                
>
>
>         On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>         Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your
>>         grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m
>>         sure, that those who are gone knew you would remember.
>>
>>         My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents
>>         and other elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took
>>         him some 15 years.  He is now in his 90s and now, finally,
>>         his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the Universidad de
>>         San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>         Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so
>>         they may have a history of their own.  It is time.
>>
>>         He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after
>>         and one modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of
>>         all the more that he’s remembered.
>>
>>         MJ
>>
>>         On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA
>>         <http://mikinakn at SHAW.CA>> wrote:
>>
>>             My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am
>>             becoming forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I
>>             see today is becoming less important and I find myself
>>             thinking about the many things from all my
>>             grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize
>>             now, they knew I would remember....
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>
>>             rolland nadjiwon
>>
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 04:30:11 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:30:11 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwIIXklqHzr-QUkS6WfHEEr44E8DTOPNNL7tie@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.233011.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

 you noticed something similar there too?

http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~shlede/ying/yang.html
seems to be a fairly good reference to Yin and Yang ?

The unending spiral core has the same interior center line as in the Yin and
Yang
(notice the line dividing the dark and the light side does the same reverse
turn).
its simply placed within a perfect sphere.

about "black" n "white"

Our ancient Wendat/Iroquoian Hero twin stories have similar themes.
positive/negative..good/non-good themes
which often   "explains why we's in the mess we's in"
but I'm wondering if english really fails with these "pictures"
since "Latin-based reasoning" reduces much traditional verb into nouns
and into sheer hard fast categories,files,definitions,continually
and i think we lose something about these "opposites" in translation..
These stories are foundational to our cultures , but until wandat fluency
I feel like i'm only nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.

ske:noh
Richard


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, do you see an echo of the Ying and Yang symbol in the spiral....?
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>> technology?
>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>> even near this stuff.
>> Oh and Rolland ,
>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>> everything from
>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>> (see jpg)
>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>> artist/craftsman
>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>> high-tech...
>>
>> ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Taanshi.
>>>
>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>
>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>
>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>
>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>> Heather Souter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>>> knew you would remember.
>>>>
>>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>
>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>>> remembered.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>> would remember....
>>>>
>>>>  -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>>
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 04:50:15 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:50:15 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C32AE0E.8030702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.235015.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

hey Rolland,
thanks for sharing this poem...
i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!

I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
feeling" teeth ....
*"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed poets
and artists *
*can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
....to smile of course!

Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
chopping tools,
and just about defines us as "creators"
I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little he
knew
and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.

Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
truckloads of ignorance.
Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
humility when we need it.

ske:noh
Richard



On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have no
> idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>
> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also how
> the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the spiral...a
> bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book of poems,
> 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>
> *oscillations*
>
> you must sleep
> you must dream
>
> your dreaming
> must dream me
> or i cannot dream you
> into my dream
>
> breathing--
>
> in and out
>     motionless
> under archaic lapis
>
> in and out
>     like a bronze man breathing
> his azury breath
> at the azury centre of time
> released from all destructions—
>
>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
> beyond where science cannot go...
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
> technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
> even near this stuff.
>  Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
> (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
> high-tech...
>
>  ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi.
>>
>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>> Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>> knew you would remember.
>>>
>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>
>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>> remembered.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>  -------
>>> wahjeh
>>>
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 05:04:39 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 00:04:39 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfoKdV9A9xTS1VVrN0Bb9AZBwBx1dLlHWKDN63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.000439.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual leaders
that take us beyond science and back again....

Eekoshi.
Heather

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:

> hey Rolland,
> thanks for sharing this poem...
> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>
> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
> feeling" teeth ....
> *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
> poets and artists *
> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
> ....to smile of course!
>
> Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
> chopping tools,
> and just about defines us as "creators"
> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
> he knew
> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>
> Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
> truckloads of ignorance.
> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
> humility when we need it.
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>
>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>
>> *oscillations*
>>
>> you must sleep
>> you must dream
>>
>> your dreaming
>> must dream me
>> or i cannot dream you
>> into my dream
>>
>> breathing--
>>
>> in and out
>>     motionless
>> under archaic lapis
>>
>> in and out
>>     like a bronze man breathing
>> his azury breath
>> at the azury centre of time
>> released from all destructions—
>>
>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>> technology?
>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>> even near this stuff.
>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>> everything from
>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>> (see jpg)
>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>> artist/craftsman
>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>> high-tech...
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Taanshi.
>>>
>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>
>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>
>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>
>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>> Heather Souter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>>> knew you would remember.
>>>>
>>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>
>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>>> remembered.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>> would remember....
>>>>
>>>>  -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>>
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul  6 05:24:45 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:24:45 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTildJ7YcjF3Ob-zIBA3dwVpiQmVLVoNXIqUsefDp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.012445.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

'...nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.', '...average smart 
guys....' I love it.

'...a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with 
humility....' My wife went to visit her sister last Wednesday. I called 
to ask how she was doing. My wife was resting so her sister got the 
phone. I asked her to tell my wife I had called. Her sister called back 
to let me know she told my wife, 'Rolland called while you were 
resting.' and my wife said, '...who....' She isn't even owl clan!!!!
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>    
> Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual 
> leaders that take us beyond science and back again....
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net 
> <mailto:rzs at wildblue.net>> wrote:
>
>     hey Rolland,
>     thanks for sharing this poem...
>     i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>
>     I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my
>     foreign feeling" teeth ....
>     /*"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always
>     believed poets and artists */
>     /*can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*/
>     ....to smile of course!
>
>     Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone
>     scraping and chopping tools,
>     and just about defines us as "creators"
>     I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how
>     little he knew
>     and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>
>     Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
>     truckloads of ignorance.
>     Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter
>     with humility when we need it.
>
>     ske:noh
>     Richard
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>         Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your
>         writings. I have no idea what the course will be by the time
>         it is finished but with so many ideas to bring forward and the
>         ideas the students will input, the course should finish but
>         not end...kinda spiral like.
>
>         The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus.
>         Interesting also how the image clearly shows what is outside
>         the spiral is also the spiral...a bit of shameless self
>         promotion here...the first poem in my book of poems, 'seven
>         deer dancing' reads as follows:
>
>         *oscillations*
>
>         you must sleep
>         you must dream
>
>         your dreaming
>         must dream me
>         or i cannot dream you
>         into my dream
>
>         breathing--
>
>         in and out
>             motionless
>         under archaic lapis
>
>         in and out
>             like a bronze man breathing
>         his azury breath
>         at the azury centre of time
>         released from all destructions—
>
>           "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear
>         about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it
>         all indicates so clearly how extremely far technology has
>         still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my very bad paraphrase,
>         suggests physics, science, technology can take us only to the
>         'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or
>         initiate aggression, I have always believed poets and artists
>         can also take you beyond where science cannot go...
>
>         -------
>         wahjeh
>         rolland nadjiwon
>         ______________________________________________
>
>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>         ______________________________________________
>                
>
>
>         On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>         Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>>         something pretty universal with that thing.
>>         I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have
>>         to do with technology?
>>         I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>>         For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics
>>         approach to come even near this stuff.
>>         Oh and Rolland ,
>>          yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>>         i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what
>>         its worth,
>>         I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient
>>         key to open
>>         basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can
>>         apply to everything from
>>         the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>>         to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of
>>         civilizations (see jpg)
>>         of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>>         artist/craftsman
>>         I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing
>>         fancy or high-tech...
>>
>>         ske:noh
>>         Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter
>>         <hsouter at gmail.com <mailto:hsouter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Taanshi.
>>
>>             Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!   
>>             Wow!  Some really wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>>             I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a
>>             course I did at UBC some years ago....  The images that
>>             came to my mind were of spirals within spirals and
>>             multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like
>>             what I had been taught in the course
>>             (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I continue
>>             to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>>             Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>>             Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>             Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>             <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>                 ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such
>>                 positive comments and postings...a good feeling to
>>                 know everyone we really need is already
>>                 here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>
>>                 -------
>>                 wahjeh
>>                 rolland nadjiwon
>>                 ______________________________________________
>>
>>                 A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>                 ______________________________________________
>>                        
>>
>>
>>                 On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>                 Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it
>>>                 for your grandchildren and their grandchildren; you
>>>                 are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone knew
>>>                 you would remember.
>>>
>>>                 My husband has just done that — from what his
>>>                 grandparents and other elders born in the 19th
>>>                 century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>                 now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in
>>>                 press, some 600 pages, at the Universidad de San
>>>                 Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only
>>>                 in Tupe but in the whole Province for students in
>>>                 high school so they may have a history of their own.
>>>                  It is time.
>>>
>>>                 He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one
>>>                 for after and one modern.  And now he’s thinking of
>>>                 the next book, of all the more that he’s remembered.
>>>
>>>                 MJ
>>>
>>>                 On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon"
>>>                 <mikinakn at SHAW.CA <http://mikinakn at SHAW.CA>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I
>>>                     am becoming forgetful. More of the
>>>                     material/consumerism I see today is becoming
>>>                     less important and I find myself thinking about
>>>                     the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>>                     I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they
>>>                     knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>                 -------
>>>                 wahjeh
>>>
>>>                     rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 18:45:06 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:45:06 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C32BE1D.1020706@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.134506.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

that one had me laughing for a long time... I kept picturing it...
seems often the funniest stuff is *"SO believable."*
-rzs-



On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  '...nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.', '...average smart
> guys....' I love it.
>
> '...a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with humility....'
> My wife went to visit her sister last Wednesday. I called to ask how she was
> doing. My wife was resting so her sister got the phone. I asked her to tell
> my wife I had called. Her sister called back to let me know she told my
> wife, 'Rolland called while you were resting.' and my wife said,
> '...who....' She isn't even owl clan!!!!
>
>  -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual
> leaders that take us beyond science and back again....
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> hey Rolland,
>> thanks for sharing this poem...
>> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>>
>> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
>> feeling" teeth ....
>>  *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
>> poets and artists *
>> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
>>  ....to smile of course!
>>
>>  Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
>> chopping tools,
>> and just about defines us as "creators"
>> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
>> he knew
>> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>>
>>  Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
>> truckloads of ignorance.
>> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
>> humility when we need it.
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>>
>>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>>
>>> *oscillations*
>>>
>>> you must sleep
>>> you must dream
>>>
>>> your dreaming
>>> must dream me
>>> or i cannot dream you
>>> into my dream
>>>
>>> breathing--
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     motionless
>>> under archaic lapis
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     like a bronze man breathing
>>> his azury breath
>>> at the azury centre of time
>>> released from all destructions—
>>>
>>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>>> technology?
>>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>>> even near this stuff.
>>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>>> everything from
>>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>>> (see jpg)
>>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>>> artist/craftsman
>>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>>> high-tech...
>>>
>>>  ske:noh
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taanshi.
>>>>
>>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>>
>>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>>
>>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>>
>>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>>> Heather Souter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your
>>>>> grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those
>>>>> who are gone knew you would remember.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>>
>>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>>>> remembered.
>>>>>
>>>>> MJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>>> would remember....
>>>>>
>>>>>  -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>>
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 01:38:39 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:38:39 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimC8s_qNV6HuMsSPGUZ4GFN3tX8Sp3iGUkQ_MoC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.203839.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I have found this thread lovely, interesting and thought provoking.

Nothing fancy or high-tech? ‹ the pictures you sent showed an enormous
amount of technology, as well as artistry and basic patterns elaborated.  I
remember once when my son wanted to go back to live in the town of his
father and farm the steep terraced slopes of the Andes.  One of his many
aunts took him aside and explained that he could have others farm his land
and give him some of the product, he could be school teacher, but that he
did not have the knowledge necessary to farm, to handle the animals, he did
not know the technological knowledge.  And it is technology.  If engineers
had laid the pipes to bring the water from high up and allow it to come down
the mountain in a controlled fashion to water all the terraces that cove two
sides of the mountain over miles and thousand of feet of altitude we would
call it Œhigh-tech¹; that it be in ditches does not make it less so. And to
know this system well enough to use it, to maintain it, to create festivals
around it, to compose music for it, well., not high-tech?

And simple?  Buttons (as in remotes) are simple.  For the user.  Think of
the difference of technological knowledge on the individual basis.

The spirals are so beautiful.  And so complex/simple and can be done in so
many ways.  And they work in stone, in wood, in anything of fabric or
thread, in the wind.  And the look is, indeed, profoundly Œfancy¹ even if I
also agree that it is a Œbasic¹ pattern.

Recognition of repetition in patterned complex ways is also language, basic
to humanity.

Thanks for all your insights.  MJ

On 7/5/10 11:30 PM, "Richard Zane Smith" <rzs at WILDBLUE.NET> wrote:

>>> Maybe as an artist/craftsman
>>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>>> high-tech...
>>> 
>>> ske:noh
>>> Richard

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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul  7 03:04:37 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:04:37 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C85944CF.1478F%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.230437.0400.>

I think there is a tendency to view social and physical adaptations and
innovations of indigenous peoples as *non-technological*. In fact, they are
all technologies. We humans make things, shape things, build things. Even in
religious stories, our interactions with the spirits or gods shape things.

Survival is a matter of technology: food, social, religious, etc. Just
because first nations people make it doesn't mean it isn't technology. Our
traditional social structures: technology for dealing with time, place and
environments. Our languages are technologies. All these things are ways of
managing and shaping our world.

When the first White settlers hit the American shores, they mostly died,
some of them disappearing without a trace. Only those groups who managed to
beg, borrow or steal local techniques survived. The Pilgrims had *
Tisquantum,* a Patuxet (Wampanoag Confederacy) who had been captured and
enslaved *twice*, both times taken to Europe. Without his knowledge, the
colony would have been a failure just like every other before.

- áine ní dhonnchadha
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Wed Jul  7 04:05:42 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:05:42 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3216A1.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.230542.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I think you'll enjoy these pics, Rolland  and MJ,
rzs




On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Richard...thank you for the great thoughts and photos. In a couple of
> weeks, I am doing a course at UBC(University of British Colombia) on
> 'Ancestral Memory'. I was thinking of using your post, with your permission.
> There are so many good ideas in it...silence, spiral, reborn, turning...much
> of it. The class is a seminar format and I will use your post as a
> generator. Thank you very much for responding.
>
> When I was growing up, our people did not 'gab' like they do now. Speaking
> was very important but we lived most of our lives in the silence between the
> words.... My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
> would remember....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 03/07/2010 2:25 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> Kweh Rolland!
> tizhamëh!
>
>  I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
> the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
> and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
> so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
> cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
> and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
> and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly could
> unwind.
>
> Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on their
> pottery
> and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
> Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
> Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either
> emerging or fading
> and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
> One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and no
> longer felt.
> "When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
> the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at the
> moment before
> it turns...and becomes reborn...
> and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"
>
>  I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own art
> work.
>
>  ske:noh
> Sohahiyoh
> (Richard)
>
>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with
>> only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...
>>
>> For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in your
>> primary language and an incidental translation into English...love it. I am
>> not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An grandfather, gone
>> now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use and we don't use it,
>> it will go back and we will lose it.
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>>  tizhamëh zharaseh !
>> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
>> (thanks cousin !
>> that one's reelie good!)
>>
>>  Sohahiyoh
>> (rzs)
>> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ayömendeh
>> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> A good resource should you have an interest.
>>>
>>> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Wed Jul  7 06:00:31 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:00:31 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilzUaXr5jH20nR8LON4HKHMi_ag8-0H6plU8jL8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.020031.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It 
was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the 
contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the 
plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs 
did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the 
plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice, 
which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it 
in in the mail processing system.

I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever 
reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and 
in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon 
are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes 
were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I 
think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure 
they will review the contents and destroy the discs.

I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received 
the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about 
them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native 
North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information 
and knowledge on our peoples.

I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on 
the list has had the same or similar experiences with information 
exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this 
should happen, how common is it and how selective....

Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the 
very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs, 
language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to 
deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another 
indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or 
government, have committed this violation...

I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
bit...wow...I feel so bad....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________

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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 14:26:03 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:26:03 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3417FF.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092603.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I am so sorry for the both of you.  I sent a personal message to Jimmy.  I
personally do not use PO.  If I absolutely have to send a package
internationally I use one of the other services, which cost enormously, but
they always arrive in one or two days OK.  Or I find someone traveling.  I
do suspect, however, what you are suspecting.

I am also pained at this loss.  I have heard the music and seen much of what
he was sending you.  It is a loss.  MJ

On 7/7/10 1:00 AM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
> contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the
> printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one
> music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the
> plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs
> did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the
> plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice,
> which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it
> in in the mail processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever
> reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and
> in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon
> are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red
> flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes
> were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I
> think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure
> they will review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
> the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about
> them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native
> North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information
> and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on
> the list has had the same or similar experiences with information
> exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this
> should happen, how common is it and how selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
> deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put
> it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another
> indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or
> government, have committed this violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memoryŠ
> ______________________________________________
> 


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Wed Jul  7 15:12:15 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:12:15 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C859F8AB.147A6%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.101215.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I agree MJ,
Evidence for the down-turn slide (in the spiral) of any civilization
is when fear becomes considered "more sensible" than liberty.
Liberty and Freedom are ideals for a young vibrant civilization,
but definition of these terms slowly constrict as society weakens.

Would someone shipping something subversive or dangerous
use "names" that drew attention? I send CDs successfully to Canada often
and "Smith" would seem to be MORE suspicious...wouldn't ya think?

We've been pulled over by officials in the mid-west United States
humiliated, interrogated, and searched for absolutely NO illegal behavior.
But simply because the vehicle had tribal plates and one of our companions
drivers license had the obviously suspicious last name of White Eagle.
The authorities seemed to grow irritated when they didn't find anything
illegal.

This happens way too often..its almost a laughing joke with those of us
who take trips back and forth into Canada for ceremonies. Almost expected.
But i must also say *some border patrols officers are wonderful and
respectful*.
I try to NOT fly into Montreal when i go into Quebec. Quebec City is
preferred.

ske:noh
Richard



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:26 AM, MJ Hardman <hardman at ufl.edu> wrote:

> I am so sorry for the both of you.  I sent a personal message to Jimmy.  I
> personally do not use PO.  If I absolutely have to send a package
> internationally I use one of the other services, which cost enormously, but
> they always arrive in one or two days OK.  Or I find someone traveling.  I
> do suspect, however, what you are suspecting.
>
> I am also pained at this loss.  I have heard the music and seen much of
> what
> he was sending you.  It is a loss.  MJ
>
> On 7/7/10 1:00 AM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
> > was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
> > contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the
> > printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one
> > music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the
> > plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs
> > did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the
> > plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice,
> > which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it
> > in in the mail processing system.
> >
> > I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
> > someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever
> > reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and
> > in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon
> > are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red
> > flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes
> > were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I
> > think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure
> > they will review the contents and destroy the discs.
> >
> > I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
> > the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about
> > them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native
> > North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information
> > and knowledge on our peoples.
> >
> > I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
> > happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on
> > the list has had the same or similar experiences with information
> > exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this
> > should happen, how common is it and how selective....
> >
> > Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
> > very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
> > language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
> > deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put
> > it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another
> > indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or
> > government, have committed this violation...
> >
> > I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
> > bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> >
> > -------
> > wahjeh
> > rolland nadjiwon
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memoryŠ
> > ______________________________________________
> >
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul  7 16:22:07 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: Immersion Camp teaches Ojibwe language using conversation (fwd
 link)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092207.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Immersion Camp teaches Ojibwe language using conversation

Awanibiisaa is the Ojibwe word for “misty rain.” It might have been one of
the many words learned by the 400-some people who gathered for last week’s
Ojibwe Immersion Camp. Then again, maybe not. Because it was an immersion
camp, the focus was more on conversational Ojibwe rather than rote drills.

By: Jana Peterson , The Pine Journal
USA

Awanibiisaa is the Ojibwe word for “misty rain.”

It might have been one of the many words learned by the 400-some people who
gathered for last week’s Ojibwe Immersion Camp. Then again, maybe not.
Because it was an immersion camp, the focus was more on conversational
Ojibwe rather than rote drills.

“We had 11 fluent speakers there,” said Jim Northrup, one of four camp
organizers. “As I was showing students how to make baskets, one of the
fluent speakers was translating what I was saying. During another
presentation, we even had a conversation between two fluent speakers. So it
was more normal conversation, rather than saying: ‘This is the word for car;
this is the word for house.’”

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul  7 16:27:11 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:27:11 -0700
Subject: Xinhua Insight: Language lessons help deepen ethnic ties in
 China's Xinjiang (fwd link)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092711.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Xinhua Insight: Language lessons help deepen ethnic ties in China's Xinjiang

19:09, July 05, 2010
China

Gazing at the lips of her teacher, 36-year-old An Ping thinks for a moment
and bursts out with a string of unfamiliar words: "Eyuinez dikilar opdan
turuwatamdu."

"It is a greeting for Uygur people meeting in the street. It means 'How is
your family?'" says An, a community official of the Han ethnic group in
Tianshan District in Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur
Autonomous Region.

She is attending one of the government-organized Uygur language classes,
along with about 80 colleagues -- mostly ethnic Han -- from different
communities. The government bears all the costs for the full-time classes,
which began in mid-April and will last six months.

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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 17:30:51 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:30:51 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.133051.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
has it? Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
Heather?)

At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
countries do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent 
you was originally produced by small, local NGOs and was never 
meant for commercial use, so there should be no copyright concern, 
and (2) normally the inspector(s) would place the materials back 
to the envelop if they haven't found anything illegal. So hm... I 
couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if others have 
similar experiences.

Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
with UPS or FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.

Jimmy



On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
<mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
> mail. It was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along 
> with the contents of the manila envelope which had been torn 
> open. All of the printed materials are intact but taken out of 
> the envelope. The one music cd and the three DVDs have been 
> removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so 
> very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have 
> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
> larger than in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal 
> corp. apology for the condition they found it in in the mail 
> processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
> ever reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security 
> everywhere and in particular on the borders our names on the 
> envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not sufficiently English American 
> or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at security. I have had 
> similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed by pulling 
> and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the 
> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will 
> review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
> received the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and 
> tell you about them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am 
> Potowatomi(Native North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us 
> to exchange information and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if 
> anyone on the list has had the same or similar experiences with 
> information exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten 
> me as to why this should happen, how common is it and how 
> selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward 
> to the very special gifts which would enable me to hear your 
> peoples songs, language, young persons and being able to use it 
> as a springboard to deep discussions in the class and for my 
> own...how can I put it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio 
> visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy 
> for whoever, persons or government, have committed this 
> violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
> ______________________________________________
> 
> 



Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 17:31:35 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:31:35 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.133135.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
has it? Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
Heather?)

At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
countries do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent 
you was originally produced by small, local NGOs and was never 
meant for commercial use, so there should be no copyright concern, 
and (2) normally the inspector(s) would place the materials back 
to the envelop if they haven't found anything illegal. So hm... I 
couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if others have 
similar experiences.

Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
with UPS or FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.

Jimmy

On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
<mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
> mail. It was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along 
> with the contents of the manila envelope which had been torn 
> open. All of the printed materials are intact but taken out of 
> the envelope. The one music cd and the three DVDs have been 
> removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so 
> very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have 
> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
> larger than in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal 
> corp. apology for the condition they found it in in the mail 
> processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
> ever reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security 
> everywhere and in particular on the borders our names on the 
> envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not sufficiently English American 
> or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at security. I have had 
> similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed by pulling 
> and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the 
> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will 
> review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
> received the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and 
> tell you about them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am 
> Potowatomi(Native North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us 
> to exchange information and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if 
> anyone on the list has had the same or similar experiences with 
> information exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten 
> me as to why this should happen, how common is it and how 
> selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward 
> to the very special gifts which would enable me to hear your 
> peoples songs, language, young persons and being able to use it 
> as a springboard to deep discussions in the class and for my 
> own...how can I put it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio 
> visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy 
> for whoever, persons or government, have committed this 
> violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
> ______________________________________________
> 
> 



Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 18:54:53 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:54:53 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilDnl4LzICg2CGTihqj0aMkSPAu3cjA8Dl771s8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.135453.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Yes, thank you.  I love spirals and often use them in my own art, currently
that of a crochet hook.  I wonder some times how much the spirals of the sky
have influenced all of us.  Spiral, in English, is not a Œbasic¹ shape;
circle is, as in round, and remember how the early astronomers tried (in
vain) to plot the skies in Œperfect circles¹ because is was the Œperfect¹
shape.  And yet, when we sing a round, musically, it is far more like a
spiral that a circle. MJ

On 7/6/10 11:05 PM, "Richard Zane Smith" <rzs at WILDBLUE.NET> wrote:

> I think you'll enjoy these pics, Rolland  and MJ,
> rzs
> 
> 

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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul  7 22:08:20 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:08:20 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <1985463220.20151278523851175.JavaMail.osg@osgjas01.cns.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.170820.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taanshi, Jimmy,

I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the CDs and they
were indeed played on the air!  I apologize for not getting back to you
about this sooner!!  BTW, they were very well received by those who were
listening.

Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies and send
them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or a courier
service is not workable.  (At least the border security folks wouldn't be
scrutinizing the package!  It is shocking to know that singing in our
languages is considered subversive!!!!)

Eekoshi pitamaa.
Heather



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:

> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or has it?
> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, Heather?)
>
> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some countries
> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was originally
> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial use, so
> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the inspector(s)
> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't found anything
> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if
> others have similar experiences.
>
> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time with UPS or
> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the contents
>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the printed
>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one music cd and the
>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to
>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have
>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much larger than
>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. apology for the
>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>
>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but someone
>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever reason, I
>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in particular
>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not
>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at
>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed
>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the
>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will review the
>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>
>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received the
>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about them. All
>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information and
>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>
>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has happened
>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on the list has
>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange in this
>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should happen, how
>> common is it and how selective....
>>
>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to deep
>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put it...happiness and
>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am
>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have committed this
>> violation...
>>
>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
> PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
> Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 02:43:49 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:43:49 -0700
Subject: Foundation announces inaugural grant guidelines (fwd links)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.194349.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Foundation announces inaugural grant guidelines

Story Published: Jun 25, 2010

VANCOUVER, Wash. – The Native Arts & Cultures Foundation recently announced
a call for submissions for its first round of grants to support the creative
work of indigenous people in the contiguous United States, Alaska and
Hawaii. Funding will be awarded to individuals, programs and organizations.

A total of $300,000 is available for distribution in amounts of up to
$20,000 for individuals and programs. Applications and eligibility rules are
available at www.nativeartsandcultures.org/programs.

Access full article below:
http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/living/97175254.html

~~~

Supporting Native Arts and Cultures

The Native Arts & Cultures Foundation is a permanently endowed foundation
supporting American Indian, Alaska Native and Native Hawaiian communities by
strengthening and supporting their diverse arts and cultures.

After years of visioning, the Native Arts & Cultures Foundation was
incorporated on Aug. 15, 2007. With grantmaking set to begin in 2010, the
Foundation will not only support Native arts and cultures but will also
stimulate tribal and Native philanthropic investment in the field by
distributing direct grants to artists and organizations and leveraging
resources through a broad range of philanthropic partnerships.

Access foundation link below:
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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Thu Jul  8 05:04:23 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 01:04:23 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.010423.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and 
Thank you Rolland.

I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx 
tomorrow. I hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of 
broken envelops.

peace
Jimmy


On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter 
<hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Taanshi, Jimmy,
> 
> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the 
> CDs and they
> were indeed played on the air!  I apologize for not getting back 
> to you
> about this sooner!!  BTW, they were very well received by those 
> who were
> listening.
> 
> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies 
> and send
> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or 
> a courier
> service is not workable.  (At least the border security folks 
> wouldn't be
> scrutinizing the package!  It is shocking to know that singing in 
> our
> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
> 
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
> <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
>> has it?
>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
>> Heather?)
>> 
>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
>> countries
>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was 
>> originally
>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial 
>> use, so
>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the 
>> inspector(s)
>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't 
>> found anything
>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like 
>> to know if
>> others have similar experiences.
>> 
>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
>> with UPS or
>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>> 
>> Jimmy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
>> <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
>> mail. It
>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with 
>>> the contents
>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
>>> printed
>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
>>> music cd and the
>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I 
>>> am sorry to
>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to 
>>> me. I have
>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
>>> larger than
>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. 
>>> apology for the
>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration 
>>> but someone
>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever 
>>> reason, I
>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in 
>>> particular
>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are 
>>> not
>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
>>> flag' at
>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes 
>>> were destroyed
>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think 
>>> this is the
>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they 
>>> will review the
>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>> 
>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
>>> received the
>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you 
>>> about them. All
>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange 
>>> information and
>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>> 
>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what 
>>> has happened
>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on 
>>> the list has
>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange 
>>> in this
>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should 
>>> happen, how
>>> common is it and how selective....
>>> 
>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking 
>>> forward to the
>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples 
>>> songs,
>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a 
>>> springboard to deep
>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
>>> it...happiness and
>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous 
>>> culture. I am
>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have 
>>> committed this
>>> violation...
>>> 
>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>> 
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From clairebowern at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  8 16:58:11 2010
From: clairebowern at GMAIL.COM (Claire Bowern)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:58:11 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
In-Reply-To: <34340412.4931278565463547.JavaMail.osg@osgjas02.cns.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.125811.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I've had DVDs/CDs impounded by customs too. ... and it was through
sending them via FedEx. I was told that they were suspicious of
cryptically labelled homemade DVDs (I was sending my backup Yan-nhangu
field materials to be archived at SOAS). Apparently they are worried
about pornography and counterfeit movies. I had to give them a fully
itemised list of the contents (which wasn't hard because all the
metadata was on the "readme" on the first DVD...)
Claire

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
> Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and Thank you
> Rolland.
>
> I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx tomorrow. I
> hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of broken envelops.
>
> peace
> Jimmy
>
>
> On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter <hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi, Jimmy,
>>
>> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the CDs and
>> they
>> were indeed played on the air!  I apologize for not getting back to you
>> about this sooner!!  BTW, they were very well received by those who were
>> listening.
>>
>> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies and send
>> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or a courier
>> service is not workable.  (At least the border security folks wouldn't be
>> scrutinizing the package!  It is shocking to know that singing in our
>> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
>>
>> Eekoshi pitamaa.
>> Heather
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or has it?
>>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, Heather?)
>>>
>>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some countries
>>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was
>>> originally
>>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial use, so
>>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the inspector(s)
>>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't found
>>> anything
>>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know
>>> if
>>> others have similar experiences.
>>>
>>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time with UPS
>>> or
>>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
>>>>
>>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
>>>> contents
>>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the printed
>>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one music cd and
>>>> the
>>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry
>>>> to
>>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I
>>>> have
>>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much larger
>>>> than
>>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. apology for
>>>> the
>>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
>>>> someone
>>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever reason, I
>>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in
>>>> particular
>>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not
>>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at
>>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were
>>>> destroyed
>>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the
>>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will review
>>>> the
>>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>>>
>>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
>>>> the
>>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about them.
>>>> All
>>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information and
>>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>>>
>>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
>>>> happened
>>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on the list
>>>> has
>>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange in this
>>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should happen, how
>>>> common is it and how selective....
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
>>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
>>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
>>>> deep
>>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put it...happiness
>>>> and
>>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous culture.
>>>> I am
>>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have committed this
>>>> violation...
>>>>
>>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 17:43:05 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:43:05 -0700
Subject: Chiefs raise alarm about First Nations languages in B.C. (fwd
 link)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.104305.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Chiefs raise alarm about First Nations languages in B.C.

By Matthew Burrows
Canada

Chief Ian Campbell says the Squamish language is on the brink of vanishing.

A Squamish Nation chief says it’s “very alarming” that the number of people
who speak the Squamish language fluently amounts to one soccer team plus a
substitute.

“We have about 12 fluent speakers out of a total of 3,600 people,” Chief Ian
Campbell, cultural ambassador for the Squamish Nation, told the Georgia
Straight by phone. “That’s less than one percent of our tribe right now
speaking. The young people know a lot of words in the language, but they are
not conversing in the language.”

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 17:51:55 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:51:55 -0700
Subject: B.C. First Nations languages face extinction unless action taken
 now, report says (fwd links)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.105155.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

May 1, 2010

B.C. First Nations languages face extinction unless action taken now, report
says

By Stephen Hui
Canada

First Nations languages in British Columbia are hurtling toward "imminent
extinction", a new report says.

But the Report on the Status of B.C. First Nations Languages 2010 argues
that these "critically endangered" languages can be saved if quick action is
taken.

Prepared by the First Peoples’ Heritage, Language and Culture Council and
released on April 30, the report notes that, with 32 languages and 59
dialects, B.C. is home to 60 percent of First Nations languages in Canada.

"Based on three variables for measuring language endangerment (speakers,
usage and language resources), all of B.C. First Nations languages are
severely endangered or nearly extinct," it states. "Some are already
sleeping."

According to the report, fluent speakers represent 5.1 percent (5,609) of
the B.C. First Nations population. "Semi-speakers" comprise 8.2 percent
(8,948) of the population, while people learning their language constitute
11.1 percent (12,223).

Most fluent speakers are over 65 years old. Only 1.5 percent (36) of fluent
speakers are under the age of 25.

Access full article below:
http://www.straight.com/article-320680/vancouver/bc-first-nations-languages-face-extinction-unless-action-taken-now-report-says

~~~

ILAT note: I am posting this news article again th0ugh it is from May 1,
2010.  Many may have missed it or it may not have been posted here to begin
with.  The informative report (at the web link) describes the state of
language endangerment across Canada.  Unfortunately, nothing like this is
available for the US.
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From Jon.Reyhner at NAU.EDU  Thu Jul  8 18:06:27 2010
From: Jon.Reyhner at NAU.EDU (Jon Allan Reyhner)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 11:06:27 -0700
Subject: FW: [lg policy] RFP: Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers
 Grants to Support Social Change Research
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9QolJh1qQudJK-CrZrtjRa0rgkCGaGbFDaWlr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.110627.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I thought some on this list serve might be interested in the announcement below from the language policy list serve. Note the support for research on language loss and maintenace.

Jon Reyhner
Professor of Bilingual Multicultural Education
Northern Arizona University
Flagstaff, Arizona
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/
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From: lgpolicy-list-bounces+jon.reyhner=nau.edu at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces+jon.reyhner=nau.edu at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Schiffman [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:39 AM
To: lp
Subject: [lg policy] RFP: Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers Grants     to Support Social Change Research

Deadline: August 15, 2010


Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers Grants to Support Social Change Research

The Sociological Initiatives Foundation, which was established to support research that furthers social change, including language learning and behavior and its intersection with social and policy questions, is accepting concept applications for its annual grant program.

The foundation specifically supports research that focuses on social policy objectives, institutional and educational practices, legislative and regulatory changes, linguistic issues (e.g., literacy, language loss and maintenance, language policy, language and national security, bilingualism, language and gender, language and law, language disabilities, language and health, language and education, different language cultures), and development of community capacity and organization of previously unorganized groups. Funded research should ideally build an organization or constituency's potential to expand public knowledge, impact policy, and create social change.

Examples of eligible applicants include academic-community partnerships, advocacy or community groups that conduct research that can withstand challenge in academic and policy arenas, and academics that organize or link to a constituency through their research. The foundation makes grants to nonprofit 501(c)(3) organizations and academic institutions and other qualified organizations wishing to sponsor research projects by individual scholars or practitioners. The foundation does not make grants directly to individuals. The foundation's geographic focus is limited to the United States and its territories.

Grant amounts typically range from $10,000 to $20,000 each.

Complete program information is available at the foundation's Web site.

http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/rfp/rfp_item.jhtml?id=299500004

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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Thu Jul  8 18:48:22 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:48:22 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.144822.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Thank you, Claire, for the sound advice.
I'll make a list of content for the potential inspectors.

Jimmy

On Thu Jul 08 12:58:11 EDT 2010, Claire Bowern 
<clairebowern at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I've had DVDs/CDs impounded by customs too. ... and it was 
> through
> sending them via FedEx. I was told that they were suspicious of
> cryptically labelled homemade DVDs (I was sending my backup 
> Yan-nhangu
> field materials to be archived at SOAS). Apparently they are 
> worried
> about pornography and counterfeit movies. I had to give them a 
> fully
> itemised list of the contents (which wasn't hard because all the
> metadata was on the "readme" on the first DVD...)
> Claire
> 
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
> <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
>> Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and 
>> Thank you
>> Rolland.
>> 
>> I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx 
>> tomorrow. I
>> hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of broken 
>> envelops.
>> 
>> peace
>> Jimmy
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter 
>> <hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>>> Taanshi, Jimmy,
>>> 
>>> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the 
>>> CDs and
>>> they
>>> were indeed played on the air! ??I apologize for not getting 
>>> back to you
>>> about this sooner!! ??BTW, they were very well received by 
>>> those who were
>>> listening.
>>> 
>>> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make 
>>> copies and send
>>> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex 
>>> or a courier
>>> service is not workable. ??(At least the border security folks 
>>> wouldn't be
>>> scrutinizing the package! ??It is shocking to know that singing 
>>> in our
>>> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
>>> 
>>> Eekoshi pitamaa.
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
>>> <huangc20 at ufl.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before 
>>>> (or has it?
>>>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
>>>> Heather?)
>>>> 
>>>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. 
>>>> Some countries
>>>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was
>>>> originally
>>>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for 
>>>> commercial use, so
>>>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the 
>>>> inspector(s)
>>>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't 
>>>> found
>>>> anything
>>>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would 
>>>> like to know
>>>> if
>>>> others have similar experiences.
>>>> 
>>>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this 
>>>> time with UPS
>>>> or
>>>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>>>> 
>>>> Jimmy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
>>>> <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ??Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the 
>>>> morning mail. It
>>>>> 
>>>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
>>>>> contents
>>>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
>>>>> printed
>>>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
>>>>> music cd and
>>>>> the
>>>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. 
>>>>> I am sorry
>>>>> to
>>>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it 
>>>>> to me. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is 
>>>>> much larger
>>>>> than
>>>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. 
>>>>> apology for
>>>>> the
>>>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
>>>>> someone
>>>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
>>>>> ever reason, I
>>>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in
>>>>> particular
>>>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon 
>>>>> are not
>>>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
>>>>> flag' at
>>>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were
>>>>> destroyed
>>>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think 
>>>>> this is the
>>>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they 
>>>>> will review
>>>>> the
>>>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
>>>>> received
>>>>> the
>>>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you 
>>>>> about them.
>>>>> All
>>>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange 
>>>>> information and
>>>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
>>>>> happened
>>>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone 
>>>>> on the list
>>>>> has
>>>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange 
>>>>> in this
>>>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should 
>>>>> happen, how
>>>>> common is it and how selective....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking 
>>>>> forward to the
>>>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples 
>>>>> songs,
>>>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a 
>>>>> springboard to
>>>>> deep
>>>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
>>>>> it...happiness
>>>>> and
>>>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another 
>>>>> indigenous culture.
>>>>> I am
>>>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have 
>>>>> committed this
>>>>> violation...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul  9 05:33:32 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:33:32 -0700
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.223332.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties

CANWEST NEWS SERVICE JULY 8, 2010
Canada

An obscure language in Siberia has similarities to languages in North
America, which might reshape history, writes Randy Boswell.

A new book by leading linguists has bolstered a controversial theory that
the language of Canada's Dene Nation is rooted in an ancient Asian tongue
spoken today by only a few hundred people in Western Siberia.

The landmark discovery, initially proposed two years ago by U.S. researcher
Edward Vajda, represents the only known link between any Old World language
and the hundreds of speech systems among First Nations in the Western
Hemisphere

Read more:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Words+canoe+point+long+lost+family+ties/3248953/story.html#ixzz0tA0MqN3h
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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  9 21:44:50 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:44:50 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilsg7dbjM-zNivTRVCuzZtGVonBdJ2iIHneKt14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.174450.0400.>

OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.

- Áine ní Dhonnchadha
Harvard '97
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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  9 21:48:18 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:48:18 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAOOJTXjCS7dAjiwRPurPxgReFiML0kE3uMUD4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.174818.0400.>

Excuse me, it's EDWARD J Vajda. I don't know what I was thinking. Apologies
to Dr Vajda.

... also I forgot, in my haste, to inquire if anyone knows how to order the
book in question, because I certainly haven't located even the title.

Thanks,

Áine ní Dhonnchadha

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Áine ní Dhonnchadha <sikozujohnson at gmail.com
> wrote:

> OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
> mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
> that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.
>
> - Áine ní Dhonnchadha
> Harvard '97
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From mannheim at UMICH.EDU  Fri Jul  9 22:14:27 2010
From: mannheim at UMICH.EDU (Bruce Mannheim)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:14:27 -0500
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmeuxR-qv7R8m4_oeAEaZ_THEff7FvR6x8-3G8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.171427.0500.>

It can be ordered from the Department of Anthropology, University of
Alaska-Fairbanks, at the following website:

 

http://www.uaf.edu/anthro/apua/

 

Qusqumanta ñapasaykichis 

 

 

-- 

Bruce Mannheim

Professor of Anthropology 

University of Michigan 

1085 S. University 

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107

 

+1.734.763-4259

+51.84.22.96.32 anexo 29

 

Chuchiku -- cuz

 

 

From: Indigenous Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Sikozu Johnson
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:48 PM
To: ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [ILAT] Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd
link)

 

Excuse me, it's EDWARD J Vajda. I don't know what I was thinking. Apologies
to Dr Vajda.

 

... also I forgot, in my haste, to inquire if anyone knows how to order the
book in question, because I certainly haven't located even the title.

 

Thanks,

 

Áine ní Dhonnchadha

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Áine ní Dhonnchadha
<sikozujohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.

 

- Áine ní Dhonnchadha

Harvard '97

 

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 10 05:54:49 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:54:49 -0700
Subject: Kwak'wala added to N. Island curriculum (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.225449.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kwak'wala added to N. Island curriculum

COURIER-ISLANDER JULY 9, 2010
Canada

A 14th Aboriginal language, Kwak'wala, has been approved for addition to the
B.C. K-12 curriculum providing choice for students in the Vancouver Island
North school district and strengthening the presence of aboriginal culture
and history in classrooms, Education Minister Margaret MacDiarmid announced
on Aboriginal Day last week.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 10 05:57:23 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:57:23 -0700
Subject: Professor Investigates Ket Language (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.225723.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Professor Investigates Ket Language

Fri, July 9, 2010
Posted in Alaska News
USA

Video by Professor Edward Vajda: The first five minutes are subtitled with
no sound. But, at 5:10, there is a story in the Ket language.
Lori Townsend, APRN – Anchorage

A new book chronicles the language link between a remote village in northern
Siberia and the Dene or Athabascan family of languages in North America. The
Ket people, of the Yenisei River, have been studied by Professor Edward
Vajda, a linguistics expert from Western Washington University. Vajda says
there are about 30 languages in Siberia that are not related to Russian and
Ket is one of them. He says it is radically different than any other
language of north Asia.

Vayda says no one from North America had ever worked with the Ket language
before. He says Ket is the only surviving language of the Yeniseian family.
Other Native languages along the Yenisei River are extinct.

Access full article below:
http://aprn.org/2010/07/09/professor-investigates-ket-language/
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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Sat Jul 10 16:39:56 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:39:56 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilMsLhG0bWzPiB96JMSTOL9CtZ9bNm6mrCVPVm3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.123956.0400.>

For those of you who forwarded the link, thanks.
For the interest of the list, order it here: http://www.uaf.edu/anthro/apua/

It is a special issue of the *Anthropological Papers of the U of
Alaska*edited by James Kari and Ben Potter entitled "The
Dene-Yeniseian
Connection".
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From harveyd at SOU.EDU  Sat Jul 10 17:43:38 2010
From: harveyd at SOU.EDU (Dan Harvey)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:43:38 -0700
Subject: Request for auditioning
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.104338.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

The following is a request I received for someone who would like to participate in the following project. The contact information is at the bottom. I don't know the person personally; Joe Caron was one of my graduate students a few years back. 

Hello Professor Harvey,

You were referred to me by one of our wonderful narrators, Joe Caron.  He suggested that you might know of some men that might be interested in auditioning for the autobiography of Black Hawk.  I understand from Joe that you helped to create linguistic software to preserve Native American languages.  How wonderful!  This project will require someone who can read some passages in the Sauk Language, related to Algonquin.  I look forward to your thoughts at your earliest convenience.

Best wishes,
Cindy

Cynthia Bauman
Executive Producer
BeeAudio
4860 Hwy 66
Ashland, OR 97520
541-708-0167 office
541-864-9669 cell
cindy at beeaudio.com
www.beeaudio.com


From klokeid at UVIC.CA  Sun Jul 11 05:09:56 2010
From: klokeid at UVIC.CA (Terry Klokeid)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:09:56 -0700
Subject: Shinnecock nation reclaims slice of the Hamptons after court
 victory
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.220956.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Native American tribe reclaims slice of the Hamptons after court victory

Shinnecock nation recovers ancestral lands in millionaires' Long Island playground after gaining federal recognition

Paul Harris in Southampton, New York
The Observer, Sunday 11 July 2010
 
Members of the Shinnecock nation outside court in Central Islip, New York, after filing papers claiming tribal ownership of land in the Hamptons. Photograph: Ed Betz
From a distance the teardrop-shaped peninsula looks just like any other bit of the famed Hamptons shoreline. Thick woods crowd down to the water's edge, and through the trees houses and roads can be glimpsed.

But this land is not part of the Hamptons, neither is it really part of the United States any more. This patch – in the middle of the playground to Manhattan's social elite – is proudly and fiercely Native American country.

Almost four centuries since their first contact with the white man and after a 32-year court battle that has just ended in victory, the tiny Shinnecock tribe has now been formally recognised by America's federal government.

The decision means that the Shinnecock, numbering some 1,300 members, many of whom live in deep poverty compared with their wealthy neighbours, can apply for federal funding to build schools, health centres and set up their own police force. It means their tiny 750-acre reservation is now a semi-sovereign nation within the US, just like much bigger and more famous reservations in the west.

In order to qualify the Shinnecock literally had to prove that they existed, submitting thousands of pages of tribal records. It was a process that has left a bitter legacy. "Why do we need federal recognition to show we are who we are?" said Shinnecock leader Lance Gumbs as he sat in his office in the community centre. "It's a humiliating, degrading and insensitive process. Why do Indian people have to go through that? No other peoples are treated like that."

Many believe that the lengthy and painful process that the Shinnecock have been forced to go through is explained by the tribe's position bang in the middle of the Hamptons, the string of Long Island towns where rich New Yorkers come to party away the summers. The difference between Shinnecock land and the rest of the Hamptons is jarring. The reservation, signalled by a line of stalls selling cheap cigarettes, sits side by side with the town of Southampton, heart of the Hamptons scene.

On the reservation, some roads are dusty and unpaved. The houses can be ramshackle. Unemployment can be a problem for many Shinnecock members. Outside it on the streets of Southampton, stretch limos and black Lexus prowl down streets lined with shops selling Ralph Lauren and Diane von Furstenberg. A real estate agent on Southampton's main street happily advertises a local house going for $12.2m.

Historically – and indeed pretty much since Europeans first arrived in the area in the 1600s – the Shinnecock have been on the retreat. They lost land steadily as more and more Europeans began to farm their traditional territory, eventually leading to an agreement in 1703 that saw them confined to a broad swath of land around Southampton under a 1,000-year lease. However, in 1859 the pressure of development saw that deal scrapped by the settlers and the Shinnecock reduced to their current tiny holding. For years tribal members then eked out a living working on white farms or helping local fishermen and whalers.

Now that is all set to change as a key part of federal recognition allows the Shinnecock to do the one thing that has changed Native American fortunes more than anything else in the last 100 years: build a casino. Gumbs now sees real power finally in Shinnecock hands. "We are going after everything we are entitled to," he said. "I am not a big fan of Southampton. They were happy as long as we were the good little Indians in the corner. Well, that's changed now."

It is unlikely that the Shinnecock will build their casino in the Hamptons itself, which is already notoriously crowded and traffic-clogged. Instead the simple threat of it is likely to eventually see them negotiate the right to build a casino elsewhere in Long Island, an area that is seen as ripe for the development of a gambling mecca.

Either way, it seems Shinnecock fortunes are set to be dramatically reversed. For many tribal members it is a chance to rescue what remains of the tribe's culture. Sitting in the tribal museum and cultural centre, Winonah Warren, 71, remembers being taken as a young girl to see a Shinnecock medicine man. She sees the deer that she spots in her garden as a spiritual sign.

She practises a Native American religion in which she takes peyote. It is about as far from the Hamptons scene as it is possible to get. "I love being on the reservation. Even when I am not here, I feel that my heart is," she said, touching her chest.

Some even feel that federal recognition – and the prospect of a casino – might be the beginning of a wider Shinnecock resurgence. In the white land grab of 1859 an area of land called the Shinnecock Hills was taken. Many Shinnecock held it to be sacred ground. It is now full of rich houses and the famous Shinnecock Hills golf club, with total real estate worth more than a billion dollars. The Shinnecock have sued to get it back.

For many of the Hamptons residents the prospect no doubt seems ridiculous: a relic of ancient history and long-forgotten wrongs. But not so for some of the Shinnecock. Elizabeth Haile, a 79-year-old tribal member, remembers her grandmother telling her how the Shinnecock Hills had been stolen.

Does she think the tribe will ever get them back? "Yeah," she said with no hesitation, and then added with a smile: "It is a prediction. Some people never thought we would get federally recognised."


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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sun Jul 11 18:48:16 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:48:16 -0700
Subject: Language lessons serve future generations (fwd link)
Message-ID: <SUN.11.JUL.2010.114816.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

*Language lessons serve future generations*

Jul 9, 2009
by Ileiren Poon
Alberta, Canada

Edmonton-Dorothy Thunder is determined to make sure future generations -
including her own daughter - have the opportunity to listen to the language
Thunder learned while growing up.

Thunder is a Cree-language instructor with the University of Alberta's
Canadian Indigenous Languages and Literacy Development Institute. But for
her, learning about Cree in an academic setting, even though she could speak
it fluently, was a little disorienting.

"It's like doing the whole process backwards," she said. "When I learned to
speak Cree in my home, I just listened and learned and spoke. It was
automatic, but I didn't know there was a formal structure to what I was
speaking."

Access full article below:
http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/cilldi/news.cfm?story=92681
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 12 05:40:32 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:40:32 -0700
Subject: Hope pictorial dictionaries will preserve Indigenous languages
 (fwd link)
Message-ID: <SUN.11.JUL.2010.224032.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hope pictorial dictionaries will preserve Indigenous languages

By Chrissy Arthur
Australia

Pictorial dictionaries are to be developed for a number of Indigenous groups
in Queensland's far-west to ensure the preservation of Aboriginal language.

Access full article below:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/12/2950656.htm
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From Melvin.Peltier at SAULTCOLLEGE.CA  Mon Jul 12 16:18:11 2010
From: Melvin.Peltier at SAULTCOLLEGE.CA (Melvin Peltier)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:18:11 -0400
Subject: Employment Opportunity: Native Student Counsellor Full time
 Position - Sault College
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Please forward to your contacts.
Melvin
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From nflrc at HAWAII.EDU  Mon Jul 12 23:59:40 2010
From: nflrc at HAWAII.EDU (National Foreign Language Resource Center)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:59:40 -1000
Subject: 2nd Call for Proposals: 2nd International Conference on Language
 Documentation & Conservation (ICLDC)
Message-ID: <MON.12.JUL.2010.135940.1000.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>


Apologies for any cross-postings . . .

2nd International Conference on Language Documentation and Conservation: 
Strategies for Moving Forward.
Honolulu, Hawai'i, February 11-13, 2011
http://nflrc.hawaii.edu/ICLDC/2011

The 2nd International Conference on Language Documentation and Conservation 
(ICLDC) will be held February 11-13, 2011, at the Hawai‘i Imin International 
Conference Center on the University of Hawai‘i at Manoa campus. Two days of 
optional technical training workshops will precede the conference (Feb 9-10 - 
see details below). An optional Hilo Field Study (on the Big Island of Hawai'i) 
to visit Hawaiian language revitalization programs in action will immediately 
follow the conference (Feb. 14-15).

The 1st ICLDC, with its theme “Supporting Small Languages Together," 
underscored the need for communities, linguists, and other academics to work in 
close collaboration. The theme of the 2nd ICLDC is “Strategies for Moving 
Forward." We aim to build on the strong momentum created at the 1st ICLDC and 
to discuss research and revitalization approaches yielding rich, accessible 
records which can benefit both the field of language documentation and speech 
communities. We hope you will join us.


TOPICS

We welcome abstracts on best practices for language documentation and 
conservation moving forward, which may include:

- Archiving matters
- Community-based documentation/conservation initiatives
- Data management
- Fieldwork methods
- Ethical issues
- Interdisciplinary fieldwork
- Language planning
- Lexicography
- Methods of assessing ethnolinguistic vitality
- Orthography design
- Reference grammar design
- Reports on language maintenance, preservation, and revitalization
   efforts
- Teaching/learning small languages
- Technology in documentation – methods and pitfalls
- Topics in areal language documentation
- Training in documentation methods – beyond the university

This is not an exhaustive list, and individual proposals on topics outside 
these areas are warmly welcomed.


ABSTRACT SUBMISSION

Abstracts should be submitted in English, but presentations can be in any 
language. We particularly welcome presentations in languages of the region 
discussed. Authors may submit no more than one individual and one joint 
(co-authored) proposal.

ABSTRACTS ARE DUE BY AUGUST 31, 2010, with notification of acceptance by 
September 30, 2010. We ask for ABSTRACTS OF NO MORE THAN 400 WORDS for online 
publication so that conference participants can have a good idea of the content 
of your paper and a 50-WORD SUMMARY for inclusion in the conference program. 
All abstracts will be submitted to blind peer review by international experts 
on the topic.

See ICLDC conference website for ONLINE PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FORM. We will only 
be accepting proposal submissions for papers or posters.

**Note for students**:  Scholarships for up to $1,500 will be awarded to the 
six best student abstracts submitted to help defray travel expenses to come and 
present at the conference.  (Only U.S.-based students are eligible for this 
scholarship due to funding source regulations, and only one scholarship awarded 
per abstract.)  If you wish to be considered for a scholarship, please select 
the "Yes" button on the proposal submission form.

Selected papers from the conference will be invited to submit to the journal 
Language Documentation & Conservation for publication. (Most presentations from 
the 1st ICLDC were recorded and can be heard as podcasts here: 
http://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10125/5961.)


PRESENTATION FORMATS

- Papers will be allowed 20 minutes for presentation with 10 minutes of
   question time.
- Posters will be on display throughout the conference. Poster
   presentations will run during the lunch breaks.


PLENARY SPEAKERS

* Keren D. Rice, University of Toronto
* Wayan Arka, Australian National University
* Larry Kimura, University of Hawai‘i at Hilo


INVITED COLLOQUIA

* The Use of Film in Language Documentation (Organizers: Rozenn Milin and
   Melissa Bisagni)
* Grammaticography (Organizer: Sebastian Nordhoff)
* Colloquium on Dictionaries and Endangered Languages: Technology,
   Revitalization, and Collaboration (Organizer: Sarah Ogilvie)


OPTIONAL PRE-CONFERENCE WORKSHOPS (TENTATIVE SCHEDULE)
Pre-conference workshops will be an additional $20/workshop.  The number of 
spaces available per workshop will be limited and can be signed up for via the 
conference registration form, available in September.

Wednesday Feb 9th 9:00-12:00
- Flex (Beth Bryson)
- Elan (Andrea Berez)
- Advanced Toolbox (Albert Bickford)

Wednesday Feb 9th 1:00-4:00
- Psycholinguistic techniques for the assessment of language strength
   (Amy Schafer and William O'Grady)
- Flex (repeat offering) (Beth Bryson)
- Video/film in langdoc 1- use of video for langdoc (TBA)

Thursday Feb 10th, 9:00-12:00
- Video/film in langdoc 2 - use of video for langdoc (TBA)
- Elan (repeat offering) (Andrea Berez)
- LEXUS and VICOS - lexicon and conceptual spaces (Jacquelijn Ringersma)

Thursday Feb 10th, 1:00-4:00
- Archiving challenges and metadata (Paul Trilsbeek)
- Language acquisition for revitalization specialists (William O'Grady
   and Virginia Yip)
- Advanced Toolbox (repeat offering) (Albert Bickford)


ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Helen Aristar-Dry (LinguistList, Eastern Michigan University)
Peter Austin (SOAS, London)
Linda Barwick (University of Sydney)
Steven Bird (University of Melbourne)
Phil Cash Cash (University of Arizona)
Lise Dobrin (University of Virginia)
Arienne Dwyer (University of Kansas)
Margaret Florey (Resource Network for Linguistic Diversity)
Carol Genetti (University of California, Santa Barbara)
Spike Gildea (University of Oregon)
Jeff Good (SUNY Buffalo)
Joseph Grimes (SIL International)
Colette Grinevald (University of Lyon)
Nikolaus Himmelmann (Institut für Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft
   Westfälische Wilhelms-Universität Münster)
Leanne Hinton (University of California, Berkeley)
Gary Holton (Alaska Native Language Center)
Will McClatchey (University of Hawai'i)
Marianne Mithun (University of California, Santa Barbara)
Claire Moyse-Faurie (LACITO, CNRS)
Toshihide Nakayama (Tokyo University of Foreign Studies)
Keren D. Rice (University of Toronto)
Norvin Richards (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

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From mhill06 at SIMONS-ROCK.EDU  Tue Jul 13 18:04:33 2010
From: mhill06 at SIMONS-ROCK.EDU (monty hill)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:04:33 -0400
Subject: Haudenosaunee Passports May Not be Honored by the U.S. Government
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUL.2010.140433.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi all,

I thought this might be something of interest to those who are interested in
issues regarding Indian sovereignty, both abroad and in the U.S.

Full Article Below:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/12/2010-07-12_iroquois_lacrosse_team_banned_from_flying_overseas_us_refuses_to_recognize_tribe.html

more information may be found at:
http://www.onondaganation.org/
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From tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET  Tue Jul 13 19:39:17 2010
From: tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET (Tammy DeCoteau)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:39:17 -0500
Subject: youtube language learning
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul 13 20:37:38 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:37:38 -0400
Subject: youtube language learning
In-Reply-To: <961072837.487719.1279049957565.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUL.2010.163738.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Congratulations...what a great idea....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 13/07/2010 3:39 PM, Tammy DeCoteau wrote:
> My relatives,
>
> Youtube has a grant program.  In order to be noticed, you need views 
> and subscriptions.  We have now over 60 videos on youtube for 
> teaching/learning the Dakotah language and ask that people view our 
> videos and/or subscribe to our channel.
>
> Pidamaya.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/AAIALanguageProgram
>
> Tammy DeCoteau
> AAIA Native Language Program 
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From tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET  Tue Jul 13 20:43:02 2010
From: tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET (Tammy DeCoteau)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:43:02 -0500
Subject: youtube language learning
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From jgross at OREGONSTATE.EDU  Wed Jul 14 18:02:28 2010
From: jgross at OREGONSTATE.EDU (Gross, Joan)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:28 -0700
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilsg7dbjM-zNivTRVCuzZtGVonBdJ2iIHneKt14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.110228.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Check this out:

http://www.racialicious.com/2010/07/06/the-potawatomis-didnt-have-a-word-for
-global-business-center/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=
Feed%3A+Racialicious+%28Racialicious+-+the+intersection+of+race+and+pop+cult
ure%29

jg

From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Wed Jul 14 18:14:09 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:14:09 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <010B704E8DA0D94D9F5C81B08045B3DB08F513242C@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.141409.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Yeah..I saw that one...I guess we all migrated from the same place too 
since we all have the same word for 'baloney'...even if some spell it 
differently and pronounce it strangely, that still does not deny that we 
all come from the same 'baloney' roots...eh....brothers and sisters....

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wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
______________________________________________


On 14/07/2010 2:02 PM, Gross, Joan wrote:
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.racialicious.com/2010/07/06/the-potawatomis-didnt-have-a-word-for
> -global-business-center/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=
> Feed%3A+Racialicious+%28Racialicious+-+the+intersection+of+race+and+pop+cult
> ure%29
>
> jg
>    


From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul 14 19:36:04 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:36:04 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <4C3DFE71.6090801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.153604.0400.>

It was my understanding it didn't even mean "Onion Field" but rather "Skunk
Cabbage Place", which the City's ad board refused on the grounds that it
painted the city in a bad light, but perhaps I'm misinformed by cousin
languages.

Áine
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 20:55:30 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:55:30 -0700
Subject: NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language Preservation (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.135530.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Published Online: July 14, 2010

NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language Preservation

By Mary Ann Zehr
Washington DC

Native American leaders pressed members of Congress and federal education
officials this week to provide relief from provisions of the No Child Left
Behind Act that they see as obstacles to running the language-immersion
schools they need to keep their languages from disappearing.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 20:57:19 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: Filmmakers focus on First Voices (wd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.135719.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Filmmakers focus on First Voices

By Steve Kidd - Penticton Western News
Published: July 13, 2010 6:00 PM

Two graduates from the En’owkin Centre are part of a major documentary film
project, exploring the creative efforts B.C. First Nations communities are
making to preserve their languages for the future.

Megan Fortier and Bracken Hanuse Corlett helped produce the first segment
for a new series on the Knowledge Network. Our First Voices is a collection
of 13 short documentaries told in their original First Nations languages.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 21:00:03 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:00:03 -0700
Subject: Early Oblate's Cree prayer book reborn (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.140003.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

July 19, 2010

Early Oblate's Cree prayer book reborn
University Press engaged various experts to work in collaboration to
reproduce Fr. Grouard's book

CHRIS MILLER
WESTERN CATHOLIC REPORTER
Canada

EDMONTON - When Oblate Father Emile Grouard came to the Canadian Northwest
in the mid-19th century, he set out to make the Catholic faith more
accessible to the First Nations people.

One result was a prayer book in Cree in the 1880s, the first book ever
published in Alberta.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 21:02:29 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:02:29 -0700
Subject: Government agency pledges to promote rights of Pingpu aborgines
 (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.140229.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Government agency pledges to promote rights of Pingpu aborgines

2010/07/06 23:19:08
Tiawan

Taipei, July 6 (CNA) Minister Sun Ta-chuan of the Cabinet-level Council of
Indigenous Peoples (CIP) vowed Tuesday to further enhance the rights of the
Pingpu plain aboriginal tribes of Taiwan.

"The era during which the existence of Pingpu tribes was ignored or even
denied has come to an end, as the CIP has established a task force to take
care of Pingpu-related affairs, " Sun said at a press conference.

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From pasxapu at DAKOTACOM.NET  Fri Jul 16 14:49:40 2010
From: pasxapu at DAKOTACOM.NET (phil cash cash)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:49:40 -0700
Subject: Technology rejuvenates neglected languages (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.074940.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Technology rejuvenates neglected languages

July 15, 2010
Keh Blut uses the Open Road software to type in his native tongue  
S'gaw Karen. Photo: Joe Armao

IT'S TECHNOLOGY'S 21st century whizzbangery that usually grabs the  
headlines — 3D TV, mobile information systems, social media and the  
like — but sometimes a new application to an everyday activity is  
worth mentioning.

Internet users in the West take for granted that they can communicate  
in the digital world in their own language. But what if standard  
QWERTY keyboards aren't available in your native tongue? It's an issue  
for many minority communities that have emigrated to Australia,  
especially from places affected by drought, famine, civil unrest and  
underdevelopment.

Keh Blut  hopes that his native S'gaw Karen  language will one day be  
as available and easy to use online as behemoth Asian languages  
Chinese and Japanese.

Blut has been working with Andrew Cunningham of the State Library of  
Victoria to develop software that will enable native speakers of S'gaw  
Karen, a minority tongue used by the Karen communities of Burma and  
Thailand, to use computers in their own language.



Access full article below:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/blogs/untangling-the-web/technology-rejuvenates-neglected-languages/20100715-10bvl.html

From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 16 17:37:47 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:37:47 -0700
Subject: Government of Canada Announces New Research Project to Revitalize
 Cayuga Language at Six Nations of the Grand River Reserve,
 Ontario (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.103747.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Jul 16, 2010 10:50 ET

Government of Canada Announces New Research Project to Revitalize Cayuga
Language at Six Nations of the Grand River Reserve, Ontario

SIX NATIONS OF THE GRAND RIVER RESERVE, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - July 16,
2010) - New research led by Memorial University will examine ways of
maintaining and revitalizing the Cayuga language spoken at the Six Nations
of the Grand River Reserve in Ontario. The project will help foster
innovative research, training and new knowledge of the Cayuga language. The
announcement was made by Phil McColeman, Member of Parliament for Brant, on
behalf of the Honourable Gary Goodyear, Minister of State (Science and
Technology).

"This project will create new insights into the Cayuga language, protect
thousands of years of local history and knowledge and help promote the
social, cultural and economic development of the Six Nations community,"
said Mr. McColeman. "Our government is committed to supporting science and
technology to improve the quality of life of Canadians and to strengthen our
economy."

The Cayuga language maintenance project is one of 20 large-scale research
projects that is receiving an investment of approximately $1 million over
five years through the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of
Canada's (SSHRC's) Community–University Research Alliances (CURA) grants.
The funding will bring communities and universities together in partnerships
to build knowledge in areas affecting Canadians.

The new research project, led by Dr. Carrie Dyck, will be carried out in
partnership with the Woodland Cultural Centre, an educational and linguistic
centre and museum located on Six Nations territory.

"This grant highlights the excellence of our country's talented researchers
and recognizes the importance of fostering collaboration to keep Canada at
the leading edge of research, development and innovation in the 21st
century," said Dr. Chad Gaffield, SSHRC President.

CURA grants support joint research projects between researchers based at
post-secondary institutions and community-based organizations. The projects
focus on a wide range of issues of importance to Canadians, such as
community food security, employment innovations and the impact of
co-operatives.

Each project enhances students' education and employability by providing
them with opportunities to build their knowledge, expertise and work skills
through hands-on research and related experience.

For the full list of CURA grants, visit the SSHRC website (www.sshrc.ca).

For more information, please contact
Gary Toft
Director of Communications
Office of the Honourable Gary Goodyear
Minister of State (Science and Technology)
613-943-7599
or
Trevor Lynn
Manager, Communications
613-992-7302
613-302-9879 (cell)
Trevor.Lynn at sshrc-crsh.gc.ca
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From bischoff.st at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul 16 20:46:57 2010
From: bischoff.st at GMAIL.COM (s.t. bischoff)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:46:57 -0400
Subject: flip video: documentation
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.164657.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP
video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for
documentation work.

Cheers,
Shannon
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sun Jul 18 16:53:03 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:53:03 -0700
Subject: San Manuel Band of Mission Indians making television history with
 KVCR (fwd link)
Message-ID: <SUN.18.JUL.2010.095303.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

San Manuel Band of Mission Indians making television history with KVCR

DEBRA GRUSZECKI • THE DESERT SUN • JULY 18, 2010
USA

The Highland-based San Manuel Band of Mission Indians has made a $6 million
donation to launch what promises to be the nation's first 24-hour American
Indian television channel.

The channel will be on KVCR-TV, which broadcasts to hundreds of thousands of
viewers across the desert and L.A. markets.

Station president Larry Ciecalone said he is pumped about the one-of-a-kind
channel that will tell the stories of American Indians and Alaskan natives.

Expect it to air in the spring of 2011.

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From djh514 at YORK.AC.UK  Sun Jul 18 16:58:24 2010
From: djh514 at YORK.AC.UK (Damien Hall)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:58:24 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Carmarthen, Wales,
 13-15 Sept. 2010 - Reversing Language Shift - Registration open
Message-ID: <SUN.18.JUL.2010.175824.0100.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Apologies for cross-postings!

Damien

-- 
Damien Hall

University of York
Department of Language and Linguistic Science
Heslington
YORK
YO10 5DD
UK

Tel. (office) +44 (0)1904 432665
     (mobile) +44 (0)771 853 5634
Fax  +44 (0)1904 432673

http://www.york.ac.uk/res/aiseb

http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/lang/people/pages/hall.htm

DISCLAIMER: http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:         Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:54:18 +0100
From: Nicholas Ostler <nicholas at OSTLER.NET>
Subject: FEL XIV: Carmarthen 13-15 Sept. 2010 - Reversing Language Shift - Registration open
To: ENDANGERED-LANGUAGES-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG

Foundation for Endangered Languages
Fourteenth Annual Conference in association with
University of Wales: Trinity Saint David

Reversing Language Shift: How to Re-awaken a Language Tradition

University of Wales: Trinity Saint David, Carmarthen, Wales
13-15 September, 2010

Registration for our next conference is now open at

www.ogmios.org/conferences/2010/index.htm

along with the programme and much else.

If you would like to join us, please register as soon as possible, and 
at any rate by 16 August.

I look forward to meeting many of you in Carmarthen.

Yours ever

-- Nicholas Ostler
nicholas at ostler.net
+44 (0)1225-852865, (0)7720-889319
Chairman: Foundation for Endangered Languages
www.ogmios.org

The Foundation for Endangered Languages is a non-profit membership 
organisation, registered as Charity 1070616 in England and Wales, 
founded in 1996. Its objective is to support, enable and assist the 
documentation, protection and promotion of endangered languages all over 
the world. The Foundation awards small grants for projects. It also 
publishes a newsletter, OGMIOS. It has hosted a conference every years 
since 1996, most recently in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain (2004), 
Stellenbosch, South Africa (2005), Mysore, India (2006), Kuala Lumpur, 
Malaysia, (2007), Ljouwert/Leeuwarden, Netherlands (2008) and 
Khorugh/Khorog, Tajikistan (2009). The FEL conferences bring together 
experts, scholars and enthusiasts from all over the world. The 
Proceedings of FEL conferences are available as published volumes.


From neskiem at GMAIL.COM  Mon Jul 19 17:39:20 2010
From: neskiem at GMAIL.COM (Neskie Manuel)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:39:20 -0700
Subject: flip video: documentation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1rEdSFfceMHSezSlZkK0id60LROQKbThd98s0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.19.JUL.2010.103920.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A friend bought one, and it produced pretty good video.  The audio sounds
good as well.  What I'm not sure about is the removable media, because X
hours of use the media will fail, so it's best if you can replace it using
SD cards, but I don't know.  I think they produce mpg videos.  I forget
though.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, s.t. bischoff <bischoff.st at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for documentation work.
>
> Cheers,
> Shannon
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 19 18:50:40 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:50:40 -0700
Subject: flip video: documentation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilKZ02AAFV5UF95HrHe1TpMvo3pi0ocGnoOhVyH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.19.JUL.2010.115040.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

We had a demo of the Flip camera at this year's InField 2010 (
http://logos.uoregon.edu/infield2010/workshops/video-rec-editing-1/index.php)
video workshop.  The main advantage of the Flip camera is its ease of use,
mobility, price, and size.  Neskie is right in that it does record fairly
good video, that is of the HD kind or MPEG-4 format.  Anticipate 2-4 GB of
use/storage.  As with any video recording, audio is a key issue.  This is
especially so with the Flip camera and the audio-conscious
documentarian/community language advocate.  Audio is average (whatever that
might be to your ear!).  An alternative, quality mic source may be desirable
here if you are seriously considering using the Flip camera.  Nonetheless, I
could see where this might be an attractive advantage for many folks since
it is so affordable.  Besides, it might be a bit boring to try and use it
like a conventional video camera.  But are we boring people?  hehe, I didn't
think so.

Phil




On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Neskie Manuel <neskiem at gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend bought one, and it produced pretty good video.  The audio sounds
> good as well.  What I'm not sure about is the removable media, because X
> hours of use the media will fail, so it's best if you can replace it using
> SD cards, but I don't know.  I think they produce mpg videos.  I forget
> though.
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, s.t. bischoff <bischoff.st at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for documentation work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Shannon
>>
>
>
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Tue Jul 20 16:15:08 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:15:08 -0700
Subject: Native voices heard at national language summit (fwd link)
Message-ID: <TUE.20.JUL.2010.091508.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Native voices heard at national language summit

By Rob Capriccioso
Story Published: Jul 20, 2010

WASHINGTON – Native languages are alive and well, and they need the federal
government to help their voices flourish.

That was the message of a group of Indian educators who gathered for the
National Native Language Revitalization Summit on Capitol Hill July 13 – 14
to make legislators and administrators aware of their concerns and desire
for support.

Meetings with Congress members and Obama administration officials took place
throughout, and some federal officials took part in the event, promising to
help strengthen Native languages.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul 21 18:08:17 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:08:17 -0700
Subject: National Anthropological Archives Receives Grant from President's
 Committee on the Arts and Humanities (fwd link)
Message-ID: <WED.21.JUL.2010.110817.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Wednesday, July 21, 2010

National Anthropological Archives Receives Grant from President's Committee
on the Arts and Humanities

USA

WASHINGTON, DC.- The Smithsonian’s National Anthropological Archives has
received a $323,000 “Save America’s Treasures” grant from the President’s
Committee on the Arts and the Humanities. The grant will ensure long-term
preservation and better access to the Archives’ endangered-languages
manuscripts.

The National Anthropological Archives is the nation’s principal repository
of original documentation for spoken, endangered and extinct Native American
languages. Approximately 250 American Indian languages are represented in
the collection. For many of these languages documentation exists nowhere
else.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:18:10 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0700
Subject: Language immersion required for Aboriginal students (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.22.JUL.2010.151810.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Language immersion required for Aboriginal students

Lakehead University’s Native Language Instructors’ Program students were
impressed with the full-time Ojibwe immersion classes being held at an
elementary school in Michigan.

by: Rick Garrick - Wawatay News
July 22, 2010: Volume 37 #15, Page A7
USA

“It’s like jumping in the water; when you’re in the water you get totally
soaked with the water,” said Angus Chapman, a first-year NLIP student from
Kitchenuhmaykoosib Inninuwug who has worked with Wasaya Airways and Wawatay
Native Communications Society. “If you’re in the language speaking all day,
it soaks in much more than just an hour or half-hour a day. It starts to
build inside you as well. We’re like empty guitar cases because we don’t
really know who we are. If we develop our language much better, get to know
it, we will begin to feel more hope.”

Chapman and about 110 other NLIP students and staff learned about the
history and successes and challenges faced by the Waadookodaading Ojibwe
Language Immersion Charter School during a July 9 presentation by
Waadookodaading teachers Lisa LaRonge and Keller Paap at the Bora Laskin
Auditorium.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:20:18 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:20:18 -0700
Subject: Inupiaq word of the day spoken on Facebook (fwd link)
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Inupiaq word of the day spoken on Facebook

Published on July 22nd, 2010
By VICTORIA BARBER

When Anniagruk Mary Sage learns Inupiaq, she wants to share it with friends.
To reach a lot of her friends quickly, she's using Facebook.

It's been almost a year since Sage launched the Facebook page Inupiaq Word
of the Day, and since then it's reached over 2,000 people with updates on
how to say everything from "Suvat?" (what's up?) to Suutuqtuna tuttumik ("I
am eating caribou soup").

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:28:51 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:28:51 -0700
Subject: Thoughts On Indigenous Language Immersion (fwd blog link)
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Thoughts On Indigenous Language Immersion

Author(s):Maggie Severns
Published:  July 22, 2010
Issues:  Early Education Reading
USA

A recent article in Ed Week, “NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language
Preservation,” highlights an issue that flies under the radar in education
circles: How does indigenous and tribal education fit into federal policy?

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:37:56 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:37:56 -0700
Subject: Indigenous language institute looking at high-tech solutions to
 an age-old challenge (fwd link)
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 Indigenous language institute looking at high-tech solutions to an age-old
challenge

By Ileiren Poon July 22, 2010, Canada


Phillip Cash Cash was in Edmonton to share his research and insights into
the use of multimedia in language learning and preservation
(Edmonton) The herculean task of preserving and teaching endangered
Aboriginal languages in Canada is getting a high-tech boost.

Phillip Cash Cash, a PhD candidate in the Anthropology and Linguistics
program at the University of Arizona, was in Edmonton to share his research
and insights into the use of multimedia with students in the University of
Alberta’s Canadian Indigenous Languages and Literacy Development Institute
(CILLDI).

“Throughout the communities that I work with, people are using video
cameras, partially because of the reduction in price and the new
technologies. This widely available technology means there are going to be
new uses, new opportunities,” said Cash Cash, a Nez Percé from the Cayuse
Nation in Oregon. “Multimedia is really a tool that people can use to enable
their ability to capture language in its many facets. It’s a fairly new tool
in our kit to help preserve our languages.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 23 17:34:36 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:34:36 -0700
Subject: Native names becoming more widespread as first nations work to
 keep their culture alive (fwd link)
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Native names becoming more widespread as first nations work to keep their
culture alive

BY KIM PEMBERTON, VANCOUVER SUN JULY 23, 2010
Canada

Haida Gwaii, the Salish Sea and a recent attempt to give Stanley Park a
native name are all signs of a larger movement to help keep first nations
languages and culture alive.

While the Haida Gwaii and Salish Sea namings were high-profile and the
Stanley Park proposal for a native co-name was not implemented, there has
been little to no fanfare over the renaming of dozens of other B.C. places,
land areas and even park trails.

"It's wonderful to see our languages and names being used," said Tracey
Herbert, executive director of the First Peoples' Heritage, Language and
Culture Council. "We are the first people of the land. It gives our heritage
value. It's like we are becoming part of the culture."

The organization, which assists first nations in their efforts to revitalize
their languages and cultures, is funding about 200 projects this year, some
of which include the naming or renaming of geographic areas and places.



Read more:
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Native+names+becoming+more+widespread+first+nations+work+keep+their+culture+alive/3312799/story.html#ixzz0uWmvBJ52
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 24 04:05:22 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:22 -0700
Subject: Mendota tribe struggles to keep language, culture alive (fwd link)
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Mendota tribe struggles to keep language, culture alive

It's believed that fewer than 10 Minnesotans speak fluent Dakota. The
Mendota Dakota want to change that.

By COREY MITCHELL, Star Tribune
Last update: July 23, 2010 - 8:18 PM
USA

The two-story house in dot-on-the-map Mendota (population: 197) is more
ragged than rustic.

White paint is peeling off doors. A side porch has collapsed. On the front
lawn, weeds have won the turf war against grass.

But on Wednesday nights, supporters of the Mendota Mdewakanton Dakota
Community try to forget they have trouble making rent on their ramshackle
community center. There is important work to do here along Hwy. 13: There's
a language and culture to preserve.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 26 04:32:52 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:32:52 -0700
Subject: Eyak language finds new speaker from unlikely upbringing (fwd
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Eyak language finds new speaker from unlikely upbringing

by Rhonda McBride
Sunday, July 25, 2010
USA

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- A celebration was held at the Alaska Native Heritage
Center this weekend to honor a young French man who is learning to speak
Eyak, a language that is hovering near extinction. Eyak was once spoken by
people who lived in the Cordova area.

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From Rrlapier at AOL.COM  Mon Jul 26 13:18:27 2010
From: Rrlapier at AOL.COM (Rrlapier at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:18:27 EDT
Subject: Summer History Conference
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NEWS RELEASE July 26, 2010
Piegan Institute, P.O. Box 909,  Browning, Montana, 59417
 

Imitaiks: When the Spirit Moved with Us
 
Imitaiks or dogs played an important role in Blackfeet society for  
generations. Before the horse they assisted the Blackfeet in a wide variety of  
ways. Dogs helped with protection of the community from other humans and  
animals. They helped haul household objects when the community was on the move.  
They helped with gathering food and wood. They helped with hunting. Some  
scholars argue that they were probably used as a trade item between 
communities  and as a sign of wealth before the horse. 
 
The date of when dogs first became domesticated is open to debate. However, 
 most scholars now agree that dogs were probably domesticated in the Middle 
East  about 15,000 years ago. They argue that dogs were probably 
domesticated before  other useful animals, such as cows and horses. They also argue 
that within a  short period of time dogs and humans made their way to North 
American and the  Northern Great Plains. 
 
Imitaiks also play an important role in Blackfeet mythology and history.  
Because of their role in mythology and their role in daily life they were 
valued  by the community. Over time though, their value has diminished and they 
are  increasingly treated with less esteem than in previous times. 
 
Imitaiks is a one-day conference sponsored by the Piegan Institute which  
will explore and debate the evolution and role of dogs in Blackfeet history. 
The  conference is free and open to the public and will be held on Friday, 
August 20,  2010 at the Cuts Wood School  from 10am to 4pm. Presenters will 
include:  tribal elder Martin Eagle Child (Kainai)  and Professor Eldon 
Yellow Horn  (North Pikuni) from Simon Fraser University.
 
Piegan Institute is a private non-profit organization on the Blackfeet  
reservation which sponsors programs dedicated to researching, promoting and  
preserving the Blackfeet language.  
 
For more information on the conference or directions to Cuts Wood School  
please call Rosalyn LaPier at 406-338-3518 or _rrlapier at pieganinstitute.org_ 
(mailto:rrlapier at pieganinstitute.org) .  
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 26 23:20:59 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:20:59 -0700
Subject: Language Endangerment: Documentation, Pedagogy,
 and Revitalization (fwd)
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*

Language Endangerment: Documentation, Pedagogy, and Revitalization
Friday, 25 March 2011
Location: University of Cambridge
http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/events/1332/

Call for Papers Deadline: abstracts due 26 November, 2010.
On-line Registration opens 1 January 2011.

Conveners

Dr Mari Jones<http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/french/staff/mcj11/jonesm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/french/staff/mcj11/&h=240&w=240&sz=20&tbnid=hXizy3ZXNK11SM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmari%2Bjones&usg=__O4kIaGUCIFPL2KOsRbZtr_A6RH8=&sa=X&ei=EvURTLWVB5L-0gSEqJjxAg&ved=0CDQQ9QEwBg>
(Department
of French/Peterhouse, University of Cambridge)
Dr Sarah Ogilvie
<http://www.lucy-cav.cam.ac.uk/pages/the-college/people/sarah-ogilvie.php>(Department
of Linguistics/Lucy Cavendish College, University of Cambridge)


Summary

The First Cambridge International Conference on Language Endangerment will
focus on language documentation, pedagogy, and revitalization.

The following speakers have agreed to give plenary sessions at the
conference:

Professor Peter Austin <http://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff30592.php> (SOAS,
University of London, UK)
Language Revitalization and Pedagogy: a case from eastern Australia
Professor David K. Harrison
<http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/dharris2/>(Living
Tongues Institute for Endangered Languages, Oregon, USA)
Language Extinction: Local and Global Perspectives

Professor Dr Nikolaus
Himmelmann<http://www.uni-muenster.de/Sprachwiss/Mitarbeiter/Dozenten/Himmelmann/index.html>
(University
of Münster, Germany)

On Language Documentation


Call for Papers

This conference will bring together academics, students, and members of
indigenous communities from around the world to discuss current theories,
methodologies, and practices of language documentation, pedagogy,
revitalization.

Most of the world's languages have diminishing numbers of speakers and are
on the brink of falling silent. Currently around the globe, scholars are
collaborating with members of indigenous communities to document and
describe these endangered languages and cultures. Mindful that their work
will be used by future speech communities to learn, teach, and revitalize
their languages, scholars face new challenges in the way they gather
materials and in the way they present their findings. This conference will
discuss current efforts to record, collect, and archive endangered languages
in writing, sound, and video that will support future language learners and
speakers.

Documentation is of critical and immediate importance, and is often
considered one of the main tasks of the field linguist. Future
revitalization efforts may succeed or fail on the basis of the quality and
range of material gathered, and yet the process may be rapid and dependent
on conscious decisions by linguists and language workers who may
be analyzing the form of a language for the first time, and codifying it in
dictionaries and grammars. Written documentation of course not only aids the
process of standardization but also serves important needs and functions
within a community in support of language maintenance such as providing the
basis for pedagogical materials in schools and helping to create a
community's sense of identity.  However, indigenous communities and scholars
of endangered languages are beginning to realise that the rapid and often
artificial nature of this process can have negative effects - politically,
linguistically, and culturally - which feed into issues relating to
education and, ultimately, language revitalization.

In addition to the opportunity of sharing experiences with a network of
linguists, it is hoped that participants will leave the conference with a
new understanding of the topic, innovative ideas for documentation and
pedagogy within their own linguistic contexts, and a renewed vigour to
implement what they have learnt in their own language situations.


Submission Guidelines

We welcome abstracts (200 words maximum) for papers (20 minute paper + 10
minute discussion) that include, among other topics, discussion of
interdisciplinary approaches and innovative techniques for collecting raw
material, presenting metadata, and archiving language materials; teaching
endangered languages to both children and adults; and revitalizing language
use in homes, schools, and communities.

Abstracts are due by 26 November 2010, and should be sent to:
Dr Mari Jones (mcj11 at cam.ac.uk) and Dr Sarah Ogilvie (svo21 at cam.ac.uk).



Sponsor

The conveners are grateful for the support of  The Centre for Research in
the Arts, Social Sciences and Humanities (CRASSH) at the University of
Cambridge.

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From saxon at UVIC.CA  Tue Jul 27 06:26:21 2010
From: saxon at UVIC.CA (Leslie Saxon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:26:21 -0700
Subject: Government of the Northwest Territories Hosts Aboriginal
 Languages Institute in Collaboration with the University of
 Victoria
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Government of the Northwest Territories (GNWT) Hosts Aboriginal Languages Institute in Collaboration with the University of Victoria

See the press release linked below for more information about the collaboration aimed at supporting language activists from Aboriginal language communities the length and breadth of the Northwest Territories of Canada. The Institute is part of a strategy by the GNWT to promote awareness and action to strengthen the use of the nine official Aboriginal languages of the NWT.

http://www.exec.gov.nt.ca/currentnews/prDetails.asp?varPR_ID=1601
_________________________________
Leslie Saxon
Department of Linguistics
University of Victoria
Victoria, BC     V8W 3P4
(250) 721-7433 (office)
(250) 721-7423 (fax)
http://www.uvic.ca/ling/

On study leave, July-December 2010

Certificate in Aboriginal Language Revitalization
http://www.uvcs.uvic.ca/calr/


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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Tue Jul 27 17:39:54 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:39:54 -0700
Subject: Video: Battle to save languages (fwd link)
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Published: 27/07/2010 07:54
Cambridge, UK

Video: Battle to save languages

Hundreds of languages across the world are dying out. Valentina Jovanovski
talks to the World Oral Literature Project about the desperate race to save
them.

Out of the 6,700 languages spoken by people all over the world, a third are
in danger of extinction.

Preventing this, or at least slowing the process, is the massive challenge
faced by researchers and academics at the World Oral Literature Project,
which was established by Cambridge University in January 2009.

Dr Mark Turin, director of the project and research associate at the Museum
of Anthropology and Archaeology, said the project has attracted much
interest since its inception.

It works with local communities and fieldworkers who are now collecting and
recording texts, myths, songs, legends, proverbs, narratives and other
various literatures that can be used to save a language from vanishing
without record.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul 28 22:41:12 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:41:12 -0700
Subject: Hopi Radio & Language Program (fwd)
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fwd msg
~~

Lomatalongva Everyone,

KUYI is streaming worldwide now!
http://www.kuyi.net/listen-online

Richard Alun Davis, Station Manager
KUYI 88.1 FM Hopi Radio

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(928) 738-5501 [fax]

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Hopi Language Program

A partnership with The Hopi Foundation allows KUYI to fufill it's mission of
keeping the Hopi language alive and vital.  With 30% of all American Indian
languages threatened with extinction by 2020 we at Hopi Radio take a strong
stand with our Native language speakers and create programming in and
dedicated to the Hopi language.  Listen to the podcasts below (featuring
Farm Talk, Winter Storytelling, A Day In Hopi monthly segments as well as
time and date recordings).

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 29 19:32:57 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:32:57 -0700
Subject: Maori in Australia losing language (fwd link)
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Maori in Australia losing language

July 29, 2010 - 4:04PM
NZPA
Australia

The large number of Maori living in Australia face losing their native
language in part because they assimilate so easily, according to findings by
a Victoria University researcher.

One in six Maori live in Australia, with more than 10,000 speakers of te reo
Maori crossing the Tasman between 1986 and 2006, said Paul Hamer, senior
associate of Victoria University's Institute of Policy Studies.

Maori fit easily into Australian workplaces and communities, and have a high
intermarriage rate, meaning they were perhaps more in danger of losing their
language than other immigrant groups, Mr Hamer said.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:30:13 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:30:13 -0700
Subject: Elder seeks to preserve Mi'kmaq culture (fwd link)
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Elder seeks to preserve Mi'kmaq culture

Published Friday July 30th, 2010
Canada

Gilbert Sewell spends one month a year teaching students Mi'kmaq language
and traditions

by jacques gallant
Times & transcript staff

FORT FOLLY FIRST NATION - They may be generally called "Mi'kmaq," but
Pabineau First Nation elder Gilbert Sewell is quick to indicate that his
people should be properly known as "Nnu," the spelling and pronunciation of
which all depend on the region you're in.

"When you are asked who you are, are you going to say Mi'kmaq?' No that's
what the settlers call us, it means ally.' Are you going to say Indian?' No,
that's what the government calls us," Sewell explained to his class of half
a dozen young people eager to learn their native language and culture, which
has slowly evaporated through the generations.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:32:22 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:32:22 -0700
Subject: Keeping Alutiiq culture alive (fwd link)
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Keeping Alutiiq culture alive

Article published on Thursday, July 29th, 2010
By SAM FRIEDMAN
Mirror Writer
USA

It does not get more hands-on than the Traditional Harvesting Camp at Dig
Afognak.

During the five-day session last weekend on the east side of Afognak Island,
campers hunted octopus, helped gut a harbor seal and gathered beach greens.
They helped to gillnet salmon and also to prepare pickled salmon and
seviche.

Campers are between 9 and 14 years old, and adults or older teens take on
the most dangerous jobs like shooting the seal, filleting the fish and
preparing and sanitizing the cans for pickled salmon. But harvesting camp is
for kids who are comfortable getting their hands bloody. Fortunately, this
group was well up to it.

On a trip to the Litnik River weir Saturday, the campers pushed forward for
the privilege of holding a still-beating nickel-sized heart during a
dissection. They had no trouble identifying sex and species of the salmon
waiting to pass through he weir.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:34:22 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:34:22 -0700
Subject: UA Researchers Help Preserve Scottish Gaelic (fwd link)
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UA Researchers Help Preserve Scottish Gaelic

Andrew Carnie, a UA linguistics professor, is leading a team of researchers
on a project to analyze and document the use of Scottish Gaelic. The team
hopes their work will help Scottish and Scottish-American communities
working to preserve the language.

By La Monica Everett-Haynes, University Communications     July 29, 2010
USA

Scottish Gaelic, an endangered language, is predicted to fall out of use
within the century as a consequence of native speakers turning to English
instead.

And those concerned with preserving and advancing the use of Scottish Gaelic
face another dilemma – the lack of measures accurately stating what
constitutes normative Gaelic speech.

At the University of Arizona, Andrew Carnie is leading a team in an analysis
of Scottish Gaelic and its use among native speakers.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:36:54 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:36:54 -0700
Subject: Early learning will include Hul'qumi'num (fwd link)
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Early learning will include Hul'qumi'num

BY LEXI BAINAS, THE CITIZEN JULY 30, 2010
Canada

Khowhemun Elementary School and Parkside Academy Childcare Society have been
awarded a $23,460 grant to integrate Hul'qumi'num language and culture into
early learning programs at the school on Cliffs Road in Duncan.

The announcement of the Vancouver Foundation grant came from the Cowichan
Valley School District June 29.

The money will support students in preschool and full-day Kindergarten
classrooms at the school.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:40:50 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:40:50 -0700
Subject: Native Youth, Clinging to Their Culture (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.30.JUL.2010.104050.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Native Youth, Clinging to Their Culture
'At potlatches they speak in our language. I've no idea what's going on.'
Fifth in a reader-funded series.

By Jacqueline Windh, Today, TheTyee.ca
Canada

When I questioned native teens about their language and culture, it didn't
matter whether they hailed from the remote villages or the small towns or
the big city. Their tone was, with few exceptions, the same: wistful.

"At potlatches they speak in our language," says Alanda Atleo, 20, of
Tofino. "I'd like to know what they're saying. I don't understand, though.
I've no idea what's going on."

Alanda says she"s happy that she at least knows a few words. "I've tried to
learn, asked around. But I don't get much."

According to 2006 Census data, only 18 per cent of Aboriginal children who
live in B.C. and attend elementary or high school had an Aboriginal teacher
or teacher's aide. And only seven per cent of the children had a teacher or
aide who actually taught in an Aboriginal language.


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From clairebowern at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  1 04:29:39 2010
From: clairebowern at GMAIL.COM (Claire Bowern)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:29:39 -0400
Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik0pO024V3K_zjaT28Ds0Q8Wd5tIW4DrlzAwEYU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.002939.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Loretta,
this may have been answered already, but with regard to 3) if you
define the language settings for whatever the part of speech language
is to be unicode (and with a unicode font), it should recognise them
automatically. Definitely not good to have to change them one by one!
Claire

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:10 AM, loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all -
> I just sent the following email to the Lexique Pro support page -- but perhaps one of you has an answer?
> Thank you - Loretta
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
> Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
> To: support1 at lexiquepro.com
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> I've been surfing a bit, trying to find a user group website for Lexique Pro. I'm putting the finishing touches on an online dictionary -- hooray hooray, and thank you very much for this program! -- but having the same type of problem over and over. I'd be happy to "put this out there", to see if another user has already encountered and solved these problems, so please let me know if I should direct this email elsewhere.
>
> Meanwhile...
>
> 1) How can I re-use formatting details such as font type/color/size, language sorts, category names? I've tried copying chunks of a carefully-defined .Config file to newly created .Config files, but this doesn't help.
>
> 2) I clearly don't quite understand how the function of creating a lexicon relates to opening a lexicon. I keep re-doing everything every time I create one (with all my preferences) and then open one (and have to repeat the process of defining all my preferences).
>
> 3) A real heart-breaker: LP doesn't recognize Unicode characters for accented vowels in my Spanish-language Semantic Domain field. I have to fix these, one by one, for the default field name and for my user-defined labels, each time I read in a modified lexicon file! Kinda makes a gal want to stop fixing errors in the lexicon, which of course I cannot do.
>
> I love the product, but I would also love to stop doing full or even partial set-ups every time I open a lexicon file.
>
> Please send any suggestions, and thank you for your time.
> Loretta O'Connor
>
>
>
>


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:07:09 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:07:09 -0700
Subject: Finding their voice (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.000709.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Finding their voice

China Daily, June 29, 2010

Hulunbuir in Inner Mongolia autonomous region is a place of rich linguistic
resources. Located on the northeastern corner of China and neighboring
Russia and Mongolia, the area has a number of resident ethnic groups that
have their own cultures and languages.

However, modernization and urbanization mean that more people in the area
are adopting Putonghua, or Mandarin, as their main language and forsaking
their own.

"Many people of my parents' generation cannot speak Putonghua. People of my
age usually can speak both languages, but are better at Ewenki," says
Eerdemutu, a 38-year-old Ewenki man who lives in the Ewenki autonomous
banner of Hulunbuir.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:10:30 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:10:30 -0700
Subject: Biocultural diversity: The true web of life (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.001030.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Biocultural diversity: The true web of life

Posted on June 29, 2010
By Luisa Maffi

Q.: Quick, what do a congress of the International Society of Ethnobiology,
a meeting of International Funders for Indigenous Peoples, and an
international conference co-organized by the UN Convention on Biological
Diversity and UNESCO have in common?

A.: Other than the fact that all three events took place in Canada over the
past two months, what they all have in common is that one of the most
frequently mentioned words in each case was "biocultural diversity."

I participated in all three events--and, as the co-founder of Terralingua,
the first organization to be devoted to sustaining biocultural diversity, I
was both pleased and amazed to see how rapidly "biocultural diversity" is
now becoming a household name, at least in academic, advocacy, and policy
circles.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  1 07:04:13 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:04:13 -0700
Subject: A native language lives on young tongues (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.000413.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A native language lives on young tongues

By Melissa Lampman - Kamloops This Week
Published: June 29, 2010 1:00 PM

R Secw?pemc cw7it ri7 r set?s?ntens.

This means: ?There are many Secwepemc songs? in the traditional language of
Secwepemctsin, or Shuswap, which is the language spoken by the Secwepemc
people of east-central B.C.

In a classroom at Ralph Bell elementary, a group of students in kindergarten
to Grade 7 sit in a circle, singing the Welcome Song in Shuswap.

The students are aboriginal and non-aboriginal, but they have a common goal
? to preserve a language near extinction.

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From lmtoconnor at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  1 07:21:42 2010
From: lmtoconnor at GMAIL.COM (loretta oconnor)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:21:42 +0200
Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilEqhGGxMZ8dVQLpKBRnTMjECt5ulZw-SNbkZKn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.092142.0200.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Claire,

Thanks for this suggestion, but I'm afraid it's something in the LP code
that generates whatever level of interface involving the Categories field.
(All my Toolbox data is defined as unicode.) After further testing, I need
to correct my earlier description about what happens when reading in a new
lexicon:

-  The data in the \sd field loses any accented vowels, replacing them with
font instructions (e.g. 'acutea')

- Any user-defined labels *do* retain accented vowels - the labels that lose
them are in fact the ones that just repeat the info from the \sd field, by
default (this was what fooled me in my earlier description of the problem)

- There is a pull-down menu on the Category Definition screen where I can
select a properly accented version of the info in the \sd field - ! I still
have to replace them one by one, but I don't have to type them!

Clearly LP recognizes and reproduces special characters such as accented
vowels -- everywhere except in the Categories main processing?

Thanks,
Loretta

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Claire Bowern <clairebowern at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Loretta,
> this may have been answered already, but with regard to 3) if you
> define the language settings for whatever the part of speech language
> is to be unicode (and with a unicode font), it should recognise them
> automatically. Definitely not good to have to change them one by one!
> Claire
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:10 AM, loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello all -
> > I just sent the following email to the Lexique Pro support page -- but
> perhaps one of you has an answer?
> > Thank you - Loretta
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: loretta oconnor <lmtoconnor at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
> > Subject: user group website for Lexique Pro?
> > To: support1 at lexiquepro.com
> >
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I've been surfing a bit, trying to find a user group website for Lexique
> Pro. I'm putting the finishing touches on an online dictionary -- hooray
> hooray, and thank you very much for this program! -- but having the same
> type of problem over and over. I'd be happy to "put this out there", to see
> if another user has already encountered and solved these problems, so please
> let me know if I should direct this email elsewhere.
> >
> > Meanwhile...
> >
> > 1) How can I re-use formatting details such as font type/color/size,
> language sorts, category names? I've tried copying chunks of a
> carefully-defined .Config file to newly created .Config files, but this
> doesn't help.
> >
> > 2) I clearly don't quite understand how the function of creating a
> lexicon relates to opening a lexicon. I keep re-doing everything every time
> I create one (with all my preferences) and then open one (and have to repeat
> the process of defining all my preferences).
> >
> > 3) A real heart-breaker: LP doesn't recognize Unicode characters for
> accented vowels in my Spanish-language Semantic Domain field. I have to fix
> these, one by one, for the default field name and for my user-defined
> labels, each time I read in a modified lexicon file! Kinda makes a gal want
> to stop fixing errors in the lexicon, which of course I cannot do.
> >
> > I love the product, but I would also love to stop doing full or even
> partial set-ups every time I open a lexicon file.
> >
> > Please send any suggestions, and thank you for your time.
> > Loretta O'Connor
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Thu Jul  1 18:08:03 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:08:03 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Andaman tribe=?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?=
 hildren - 1 July, 2010
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.140803.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Ok...here we go again...

http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Fri Jul  2 00:20:37 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 19:20:37 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Andaman tribe
 =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=99sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2CD983.4090609@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUL.2010.192037.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

thanks *cousin*
I didn't even know about this important news site.
ske:noh
Richard



On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ok...here we go again...
>
> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 17:43:31 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:43:31 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=99sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil6zfIWzsoaPqBc8KSWhQRpnnmoZ3scTgDIakDI@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.134331.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some 
time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after 
subscribing...

Your mentioning /*'cousin' */is pretty interesting/* */since Jimmy and I 
had some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how 
our relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. 
Very different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth 
registrations...very interesting....
-------

wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> thanks /*cousin*/
> I didn't even know about this important news site.
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Ok...here we go again...
>
>     http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>     ______________________________________________
>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  2 17:57:38 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 12:57:38 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2E2543.5000301@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.125738.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!

In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding residential
schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about this proposal by
the Indian government it is particularly painful to have to acknowledge how
colonized the minds of those in former colonies who fight to gain their
independence can still be....

Eekoshi pitamaa.
Heather





On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some
> time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after
> subscribing...
>
> Your mentioning *'cousin' *is pretty interesting* *since Jimmy and I had
> some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how our
> relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. Very
> different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth
> registrations...very interesting....
>
> -------
>
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> thanks *cousin*
> I didn't even know about this important news site.
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>> Ok...here we go again...
>>
>> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>
>
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From klokeid at UVIC.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:26:05 2010
From: klokeid at UVIC.CA (Terry Klokeid)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:26:05 -0700
Subject: Israeli raid of relief aid ships to Gaza
In-Reply-To: <4C03F48E.4000202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.112605.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

On 31-05-2010, at 10:40 am, Rolland Nadjiwon wrote:

> A bit much and too far I would suggest....so are Canada and the US still supporting them, I wonder....
> 
> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html
> 
> -- 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon



IHH has issued a report:

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/ihh-issues-comprehensive-report-on-gaza-floti 


From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:50:58 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:50:58 -0400
Subject: Israeli raid of relief aid ships to Gaza
In-Reply-To: <8157D625-63DF-430B-9BCE-FFDD9131D63D@uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.145058.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Terry...thank you so much for this information.

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 02/07/2010 2:26 PM, Terry Klokeid wrote:
> On 31-05-2010, at 10:40 am, Rolland Nadjiwon wrote:
>
>    
>> A bit much and too far I would suggest....so are Canada and the US still supporting them, I wonder....
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/31/israel-gaza-aid-death.html
>>
>> -- 
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>>      
>
>
> IHH has issued a report:
>
> http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/ihh-issues-comprehensive-report-on-gaza-floti
>
>    


From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Fri Jul  2 18:53:16 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:53:16 -0400
Subject: Outrage at call to  remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren -  1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikWjRmAh2cQ8lqLzArejYPJCs5ttX33eQSZHPLn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.145316.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

...sure hurts eh Heather...how could it all happen again...like a rerun 
of a very bad nightmare become real....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 02/07/2010 1:57 PM, Heather Souter wrote:
> Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!
>
> In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding 
> residential schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about 
> this proposal by the Indian government it is particularly painful to 
> have to acknowledge how colonized the minds of those in former 
> colonies who fight to gain their independence can still be....
>
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for
>     some time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my
>     email after subscribing...
>
>     Your mentioning /*'cousin' */is pretty interesting/* */since Jimmy
>     and I had some conversations around the subject last week, I
>     think, and how our relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and
>     genetic relations. Very different than the confinements of
>     Canadian or American birth registrations...very interesting....
>
>     -------
>
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>     ______________________________________________
>          
>
>
>     On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>     thanks /*cousin*/
>>     I didn't even know about this important news site.
>>     ske:noh
>>     Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         Ok...here we go again...
>>
>>         http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>         rolland nadjiwon
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  2 18:55:36 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:55:36 -0500
Subject: Outrage at call to remove Anda man tribe
 =?windows-1252?Q?=92sc_?= hildren - 1 July, 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C2E359C.7060605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUL.2010.135536.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taapwee....  Believe it!  :-(

Heather

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  ...sure hurts eh Heather...how could it all happen again...like a rerun of
> a very bad nightmare become real....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 02/07/2010 1:57 PM, Heather Souter wrote:
>
> Kihchi-maarsii por li link!  Thanks for the link!
>
> In light of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission regarding residential
> schools going on in Canada right now, when I think about this proposal by
> the Indian government it is particularly painful to have to acknowledge how
> colonized the minds of those in former colonies who fight to gain their
> independence can still be....
>
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  You're welcome Richard...I been getting my insider from there for some
>> time now...makes me look good, eh...lol. It comes into my email after
>> subscribing...
>>
>> Your mentioning *'cousin' *is pretty interesting* *since Jimmy and I had
>> some conversations around the subject last week, I think, and how our
>> relationships are defined beyond bloodlines and genetic relations. Very
>> different than the confinements of Canadian or American birth
>> registrations...very interesting....
>>
>> -------
>>
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 01/07/2010 8:20 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>> thanks *cousin*
>> I didn't even know about this important news site.
>> ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> Ok...here we go again...
>>>
>>> http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Sat Jul  3 05:18:00 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:18:00 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.011800.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A good resource should you have an interest.

http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Sat Jul  3 14:20:52 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:20:52 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C2EC808.3040802@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.092052.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

 tizham?h zharaseh !
ndae' yawahstih trondi'
(thanks cousin !
that one's reelie good!)

Sohahiyoh
(rzs)
hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ay?mendeh
(Wyandotte Oklahoma)




On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> A good resource should you have an interest.
>
> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Sat Jul  3 17:34:27 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:34:27 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzWi7FHDlgRyeRqTanCsPPzWAIjc-s7_5wHp6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.133427.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with 
only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...

For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in 
your primary language and an incidental translation into English...love 
it. I am not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An 
grandfather, gone now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use 
and we don't use it, it will go back and we will lose it.

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>  tizham?h zharaseh !
> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
> (thanks cousin !
> that one's reelie good!)
>
> Sohahiyoh
> (rzs)
> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ay?mendeh
> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     A good resource should you have an interest.
>
>     http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>     ______________________________________________
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Sat Jul  3 18:25:00 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:25:00 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C2F74A3.10003@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUL.2010.132500.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kweh Rolland!
tizham?h!

I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly could
unwind.

Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on their
pottery
and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either emerging
or fading
and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and no
longer felt.
"When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at the
moment before
it turns...and becomes reborn...
and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"

I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own art
work.

ske:noh
Sohahiyoh
(Richard)

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with
> only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...
>
> For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in your
> primary language and an incidental translation into English...love it. I am
> not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An grandfather, gone
> now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use and we don't use it,
> it will go back and we will lose it.
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
>  tizham?h zharaseh !
> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
> (thanks cousin !
> that one's reelie good!)
>
>  Sohahiyoh
> (rzs)
> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ay?mendeh
> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>> A good resource should you have an interest.
>>
>> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 17:30:09 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:30:09 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDLQvJwBqYcLvmuE-XE2kjoc9sCzvGXhtne2bv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.133009.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Richard...thank you for the great thoughts and photos. In a couple of 
weeks, I am doing a course at UBC(University of British Colombia) on 
'Ancestral Memory'. I was thinking of using your post, with your 
permission. There are so many good ideas in it...silence, spiral, 
reborn, turning...much of it. The class is a seminar format and I will 
use your post as a generator. Thank you very much for responding.

When I was growing up, our people did not 'gab' like they do now. 
Speaking was very important but we lived most of our lives in the 
silence between the words.... My wife, my children, my grandchildren 
tell me I am becoming forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see 
today is becoming less important and I find myself thinking about the 
many things from all my grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I 
realize now, they knew I would remember....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 03/07/2010 2:25 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> Kweh Rolland!
> tizham?h!
>
> I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
> the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
> and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
> so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
> cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
> and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
> and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly 
> could unwind.
>
> Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on 
> their pottery
> and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
> Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
> Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either 
> emerging or fading
> and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
> One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and 
> no longer felt.
> "When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
> the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at 
> the moment before
> it turns...and becomes reborn...
> and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"
>
> I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own 
> art work.
>
> ske:noh
> Sohahiyoh
> (Richard)
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca 
> <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for
>     one with only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three
>     times...
>
>     For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond
>     in your primary language and an incidental translation into
>     English...love it. I am not capable in our language but we don't
>     use it either. An grandfather, gone now, told us. If the creator
>     put it here for us to use and we don't use it, it will go back and
>     we will lose it.
>
>     -------
>     wahjeh
>     rolland nadjiwon
>     ______________________________________________
>
>     A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>     ______________________________________________
>          
>
>
>     On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>      tizham?h zharaseh !
>>     ndae' yawahstih trondi'
>>     (thanks cousin !
>>     that one's reelie good!)
>>
>>     Sohahiyoh
>>     (rzs)
>>     hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ay?mendeh
>>     (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         A good resource should you have an interest.
>>
>>         http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>         rolland nadjiwon
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>         ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 19:51:13 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:51:13 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: FW: Amazing Underwater
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.155113.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Amazing beauty of our earth...all of it.... Spread this as far and wide 
as you can...the second URL was booted off youtube...go figure...


http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/206



...that is amazing...too bad about BP spill eh....

http://www.facebook.com/?tid=1428079474853&sk=messages#!/video/video.php?v=138999366114177&ref=mf 


-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory...
______________________________________________



<http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/206>
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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Mon Jul  5 20:02:31 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:02:31 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3216A1.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.150231.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren and
their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone knew
you would remember.

My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other elders
born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is now in
his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the
Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
a history of their own.  It is time.

He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
remembered.  

MJ

On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:

> My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful. More
> of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and I find
> myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders I
> thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
> 
-------
wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon

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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Mon Jul  5 20:13:10 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 16:13:10 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C857A487.14763%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.161310.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and 
postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already 
here...megwetch MJ Hardman...

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory...
______________________________________________


On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your 
> grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I'm sure, that 
> those who are gone knew you would remember.
>
> My husband has just done that --- from what his grandparents and other 
> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years. 
>  He is now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 
> pages, at the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be 
> used not only in Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high 
> school so they may have a history of their own.  It is time.
>
> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one 
> modern.  And now he's thinking of the next book, of all the more that 
> he's remembered.
>
> MJ
>
> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
>     My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>     forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is
>     becoming less important and I find myself thinking about the many
>     things from all my grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten.
>     I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
>
>     rolland nadjiwon
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 01:28:18 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 20:28:18 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C323CD6.3080909@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.202818.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taanshi.

Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!

I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC some
years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
continue to ponder the images ever since....

Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!

Eekoshi.  That's it.
Heather Souter


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>
> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
> knew you would remember.
>
> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other elders
> born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is now in
> his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the
> Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
> a history of their own.  It is time.
>
> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
> remembered.
>
> MJ
>
> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>
>  -------
> wahjeh
>
> rolland nadjiwon
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 02:27:27 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 21:27:27 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim82KIdM_vKMO2H1icGwytiA1CgC6N1cdpz2Qos@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.212727.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
something pretty universal with that thing.
I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
technology?
I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
even near this stuff.
Oh and Rolland ,
 yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to everything
from
the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations (see
jpg)
of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
artist/craftsman
I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
high-tech...

ske:noh
Richard




On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Taanshi.
>
> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>
> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>
> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>
> Eekoshi.  That's it.
> Heather Souter
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>
>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
>> knew you would remember.
>>
>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>
>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>> remembered.
>>
>> MJ
>>
>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>
>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>
>>  -------
>> wahjeh
>>
>> rolland nadjiwon
>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 03:38:05 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil5-iWLBgtYwxbVESeauvpiqf19t8bzVTQhXedf@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey, do you see an echo of the Ying and Yang symbol in the spiral....?

Eekoshi.
Heather

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net> wrote:

> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
> technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
> even near this stuff.
> Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
> (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
> high-tech...
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi.
>>
>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>> Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
>>> knew you would remember.
>>>
>>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>
>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>>> remembered.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>  -------
>>> wahjeh
>>>
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul  6 04:16:14 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 00:16:14 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil5-iWLBgtYwxbVESeauvpiqf19t8bzVTQhXedf@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have 
no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so 
many ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the 
course should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.

The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also 
how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the 
spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my 
book of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:

*oscillations*

you must sleep
you must dream

your dreaming
must dream me
or i cannot dream you
into my dream

breathing--

in and out
     motionless
under archaic lapis

in and out
     like a bronze man breathing
his azury breath
at the azury centre of time
released from all destructions?

   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about 
the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so 
clearly how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen 
Hawking, in my very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, 
technology can take us only to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. 
Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed 
poets and artists can also take you beyond where science cannot go...

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do 
> with technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to 
> come even near this stuff.
> Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to 
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of 
> civilizations (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an 
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or 
> high-tech...
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com 
> <mailto:hsouter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Taanshi.
>
>     Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some
>     really wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>
>     I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did
>     at UBC some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of
>     spirals within spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It
>     was nothing like what I had been taught in the course
>     (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I continue to ponder
>     the images ever since....
>
>     Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>
>     Eekoshi.  That's it.
>     Heather Souter
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca
>     <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>         ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive
>         comments and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we
>         really need is already here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>
>         -------
>         wahjeh
>         rolland nadjiwon
>         ______________________________________________
>
>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>         ______________________________________________
>                
>
>
>         On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>         Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your
>>         grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m
>>         sure, that those who are gone knew you would remember.
>>
>>         My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents
>>         and other elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took
>>         him some 15 years.  He is now in his 90s and now, finally,
>>         his book is in press, some 600 pages, at the Universidad de
>>         San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>         Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so
>>         they may have a history of their own.  It is time.
>>
>>         He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after
>>         and one modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of
>>         all the more that he?s remembered.
>>
>>         MJ
>>
>>         On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA
>>         <http://mikinakn at SHAW.CA>> wrote:
>>
>>             My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am
>>             becoming forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I
>>             see today is becoming less important and I find myself
>>             thinking about the many things from all my
>>             grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize
>>             now, they knew I would remember....
>>
>>         -------
>>         wahjeh
>>
>>             rolland nadjiwon
>>
>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 04:30:11 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:30:11 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwIIXklqHzr-QUkS6WfHEEr44E8DTOPNNL7tie@mail.gmail.com>
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 you noticed something similar there too?

http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~shlede/ying/yang.html
seems to be a fairly good reference to Yin and Yang ?

The unending spiral core has the same interior center line as in the Yin and
Yang
(notice the line dividing the dark and the light side does the same reverse
turn).
its simply placed within a perfect sphere.

about "black" n "white"

Our ancient Wendat/Iroquoian Hero twin stories have similar themes.
positive/negative..good/non-good themes
which often   "explains why we's in the mess we's in"
but I'm wondering if english really fails with these "pictures"
since "Latin-based reasoning" reduces much traditional verb into nouns
and into sheer hard fast categories,files,definitions,continually
and i think we lose something about these "opposites" in translation..
These stories are foundational to our cultures , but until wandat fluency
I feel like i'm only nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.

ske:noh
Richard


On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, do you see an echo of the Ying and Yang symbol in the spiral....?
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>> technology?
>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>> even near this stuff.
>> Oh and Rolland ,
>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>> everything from
>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>> (see jpg)
>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>> artist/craftsman
>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>> high-tech...
>>
>> ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Taanshi.
>>>
>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>
>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>
>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>
>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>> Heather Souter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
>>>> knew you would remember.
>>>>
>>>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>
>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>>>> remembered.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>> would remember....
>>>>
>>>>  -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>>
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 04:50:15 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:50:15 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C32AE0E.8030702@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.5.JUL.2010.235015.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

hey Rolland,
thanks for sharing this poem...
i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!

I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
feeling" teeth ....
*"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed poets
and artists *
*can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
....to smile of course!

Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
chopping tools,
and just about defines us as "creators"
I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little he
knew
and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.

Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
truckloads of ignorance.
Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
humility when we need it.

ske:noh
Richard



On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have no
> idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>
> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also how
> the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the spiral...a
> bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book of poems,
> 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>
> *oscillations*
>
> you must sleep
> you must dream
>
> your dreaming
> must dream me
> or i cannot dream you
> into my dream
>
> breathing--
>
> in and out
>     motionless
> under archaic lapis
>
> in and out
>     like a bronze man breathing
> his azury breath
> at the azury centre of time
> released from all destructions?
>
>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
> beyond where science cannot go...
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
> technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
> even near this stuff.
>  Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
> (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
> high-tech...
>
>  ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi.
>>
>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>> Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
>>> knew you would remember.
>>>
>>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>
>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>>> remembered.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>  -------
>>> wahjeh
>>>
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Tue Jul  6 05:04:39 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 00:04:39 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfoKdV9A9xTS1VVrN0Bb9AZBwBx1dLlHWKDN63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.000439.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual leaders
that take us beyond science and back again....

Eekoshi.
Heather

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:

> hey Rolland,
> thanks for sharing this poem...
> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>
> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
> feeling" teeth ....
> *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
> poets and artists *
> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
> ....to smile of course!
>
> Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
> chopping tools,
> and just about defines us as "creators"
> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
> he knew
> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>
> Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
> truckloads of ignorance.
> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
> humility when we need it.
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>
>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>
>> *oscillations*
>>
>> you must sleep
>> you must dream
>>
>> your dreaming
>> must dream me
>> or i cannot dream you
>> into my dream
>>
>> breathing--
>>
>> in and out
>>     motionless
>> under archaic lapis
>>
>> in and out
>>     like a bronze man breathing
>> his azury breath
>> at the azury centre of time
>> released from all destructions?
>>
>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>> technology?
>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>> even near this stuff.
>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>> everything from
>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>> (see jpg)
>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>> artist/craftsman
>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>> high-tech...
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Taanshi.
>>>
>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>
>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>
>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>
>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>> Heather Souter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone
>>>> knew you would remember.
>>>>
>>>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>
>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>>>> remembered.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>> would remember....
>>>>
>>>>  -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>>
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul  6 05:24:45 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:24:45 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTildJ7YcjF3Ob-zIBA3dwVpiQmVLVoNXIqUsefDp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.012445.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

'...nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.', '...average smart 
guys....' I love it.

'...a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with 
humility....' My wife went to visit her sister last Wednesday. I called 
to ask how she was doing. My wife was resting so her sister got the 
phone. I asked her to tell my wife I had called. Her sister called back 
to let me know she told my wife, 'Rolland called while you were 
resting.' and my wife said, '...who....' She isn't even owl clan!!!!
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>    
> Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual 
> leaders that take us beyond science and back again....
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net 
> <mailto:rzs at wildblue.net>> wrote:
>
>     hey Rolland,
>     thanks for sharing this poem...
>     i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>
>     I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my
>     foreign feeling" teeth ....
>     /*"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always
>     believed poets and artists */
>     /*can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*/
>     ....to smile of course!
>
>     Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone
>     scraping and chopping tools,
>     and just about defines us as "creators"
>     I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how
>     little he knew
>     and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>
>     Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
>     truckloads of ignorance.
>     Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter
>     with humility when we need it.
>
>     ske:noh
>     Richard
>
>
>
>     On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>     <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>         Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your
>         writings. I have no idea what the course will be by the time
>         it is finished but with so many ideas to bring forward and the
>         ideas the students will input, the course should finish but
>         not end...kinda spiral like.
>
>         The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus.
>         Interesting also how the image clearly shows what is outside
>         the spiral is also the spiral...a bit of shameless self
>         promotion here...the first poem in my book of poems, 'seven
>         deer dancing' reads as follows:
>
>         *oscillations*
>
>         you must sleep
>         you must dream
>
>         your dreaming
>         must dream me
>         or i cannot dream you
>         into my dream
>
>         breathing--
>
>         in and out
>             motionless
>         under archaic lapis
>
>         in and out
>             like a bronze man breathing
>         his azury breath
>         at the azury centre of time
>         released from all destructions?
>
>           "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear
>         about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it
>         all indicates so clearly how extremely far technology has
>         still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my very bad paraphrase,
>         suggests physics, science, technology can take us only to the
>         'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or
>         initiate aggression, I have always believed poets and artists
>         can also take you beyond where science cannot go...
>
>         -------
>         wahjeh
>         rolland nadjiwon
>         ______________________________________________
>
>         A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>         ______________________________________________
>                
>
>
>         On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>         Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>>         something pretty universal with that thing.
>>         I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have
>>         to do with technology?
>>         I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>>         For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics
>>         approach to come even near this stuff.
>>         Oh and Rolland ,
>>          yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>>         i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what
>>         its worth,
>>         I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient
>>         key to open
>>         basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can
>>         apply to everything from
>>         the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>>         to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of
>>         civilizations (see jpg)
>>         of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>>         artist/craftsman
>>         I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing
>>         fancy or high-tech...
>>
>>         ske:noh
>>         Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter
>>         <hsouter at gmail.com <mailto:hsouter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Taanshi.
>>
>>             Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!   
>>             Wow!  Some really wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>>             I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a
>>             course I did at UBC some years ago....  The images that
>>             came to my mind were of spirals within spirals and
>>             multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like
>>             what I had been taught in the course
>>             (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I continue
>>             to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>>             Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>>             Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>             Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon
>>             <mikinakn at shaw.ca <mailto:mikinakn at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>                 ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such
>>                 positive comments and postings...a good feeling to
>>                 know everyone we really need is already
>>                 here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>
>>                 -------
>>                 wahjeh
>>                 rolland nadjiwon
>>                 ______________________________________________
>>
>>                 A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>                 ______________________________________________
>>                        
>>
>>
>>                 On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>                 Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it
>>>                 for your grandchildren and their grandchildren; you
>>>                 are right, I?m sure, that those who are gone knew
>>>                 you would remember.
>>>
>>>                 My husband has just done that ? from what his
>>>                 grandparents and other elders born in the 19th
>>>                 century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>                 now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in
>>>                 press, some 600 pages, at the Universidad de San
>>>                 Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only
>>>                 in Tupe but in the whole Province for students in
>>>                 high school so they may have a history of their own.
>>>                  It is time.
>>>
>>>                 He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one
>>>                 for after and one modern.  And now he?s thinking of
>>>                 the next book, of all the more that he?s remembered.
>>>
>>>                 MJ
>>>
>>>                 On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon"
>>>                 <mikinakn at SHAW.CA <http://mikinakn at SHAW.CA>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I
>>>                     am becoming forgetful. More of the
>>>                     material/consumerism I see today is becoming
>>>                     less important and I find myself thinking about
>>>                     the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>>                     I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they
>>>                     knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>                 -------
>>>                 wahjeh
>>>
>>>                     rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Tue Jul  6 18:45:06 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 13:45:06 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C32BE1D.1020706@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.134506.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

that one had me laughing for a long time... I kept picturing it...
seems often the funniest stuff is *"SO believable."*
-rzs-



On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  '...nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.', '...average smart
> guys....' I love it.
>
> '...a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with humility....'
> My wife went to visit her sister last Wednesday. I called to ask how she was
> doing. My wife was resting so her sister got the phone. I asked her to tell
> my wife I had called. Her sister called back to let me know she told my
> wife, 'Rolland called while you were resting.' and my wife said,
> '...who....' She isn't even owl clan!!!!
>
>  -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual
> leaders that take us beyond science and back again....
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> hey Rolland,
>> thanks for sharing this poem...
>> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>>
>> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
>> feeling" teeth ....
>>  *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
>> poets and artists *
>> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
>>  ....to smile of course!
>>
>>  Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
>> chopping tools,
>> and just about defines us as "creators"
>> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
>> he knew
>> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>>
>>  Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
>> truckloads of ignorance.
>> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
>> humility when we need it.
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>>
>>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>>
>>> *oscillations*
>>>
>>> you must sleep
>>> you must dream
>>>
>>> your dreaming
>>> must dream me
>>> or i cannot dream you
>>> into my dream
>>>
>>> breathing--
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     motionless
>>> under archaic lapis
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     like a bronze man breathing
>>> his azury breath
>>> at the azury centre of time
>>> released from all destructions?
>>>
>>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>>> technology?
>>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>>> even near this stuff.
>>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>>> everything from
>>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>>> (see jpg)
>>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>>> artist/craftsman
>>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>>> high-tech...
>>>
>>>  ske:noh
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taanshi.
>>>>
>>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii bo? nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>>
>>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>>
>>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>>
>>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>>> Heather Souter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your
>>>>> grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I?m sure, that those
>>>>> who are gone knew you would remember.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband has just done that ? from what his grandparents and other
>>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>>
>>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>>> modern.  And now he?s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he?s
>>>>> remembered.
>>>>>
>>>>> MJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>>> would remember....
>>>>>
>>>>>  -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>>
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 01:38:39 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:38:39 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimC8s_qNV6HuMsSPGUZ4GFN3tX8Sp3iGUkQ_MoC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.203839.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I have found this thread lovely, interesting and thought provoking.

Nothing fancy or high-tech? ? the pictures you sent showed an enormous
amount of technology, as well as artistry and basic patterns elaborated.  I
remember once when my son wanted to go back to live in the town of his
father and farm the steep terraced slopes of the Andes.  One of his many
aunts took him aside and explained that he could have others farm his land
and give him some of the product, he could be school teacher, but that he
did not have the knowledge necessary to farm, to handle the animals, he did
not know the technological knowledge.  And it is technology.  If engineers
had laid the pipes to bring the water from high up and allow it to come down
the mountain in a controlled fashion to water all the terraces that cove two
sides of the mountain over miles and thousand of feet of altitude we would
call it ?high-tech?; that it be in ditches does not make it less so. And to
know this system well enough to use it, to maintain it, to create festivals
around it, to compose music for it, well., not high-tech?

And simple?  Buttons (as in remotes) are simple.  For the user.  Think of
the difference of technological knowledge on the individual basis.

The spirals are so beautiful.  And so complex/simple and can be done in so
many ways.  And they work in stone, in wood, in anything of fabric or
thread, in the wind.  And the look is, indeed, profoundly ?fancy? even if I
also agree that it is a ?basic? pattern.

Recognition of repetition in patterned complex ways is also language, basic
to humanity.

Thanks for all your insights.  MJ

On 7/5/10 11:30 PM, "Richard Zane Smith" <rzs at WILDBLUE.NET> wrote:

>>> Maybe as an artist/craftsman
>>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>>> high-tech...
>>> 
>>> ske:noh
>>> Richard

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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul  7 03:04:37 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:04:37 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C85944CF.1478F%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.230437.0400.>

I think there is a tendency to view social and physical adaptations and
innovations of indigenous peoples as *non-technological*. In fact, they are
all technologies. We humans make things, shape things, build things. Even in
religious stories, our interactions with the spirits or gods shape things.

Survival is a matter of technology: food, social, religious, etc. Just
because first nations people make it doesn't mean it isn't technology. Our
traditional social structures: technology for dealing with time, place and
environments. Our languages are technologies. All these things are ways of
managing and shaping our world.

When the first White settlers hit the American shores, they mostly died,
some of them disappearing without a trace. Only those groups who managed to
beg, borrow or steal local techniques survived. The Pilgrims had *
Tisquantum,* a Patuxet (Wampanoag Confederacy) who had been captured and
enslaved *twice*, both times taken to Europe. Without his knowledge, the
colony would have been a failure just like every other before.

- ?ine n? dhonnchadha
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From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Wed Jul  7 04:05:42 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:05:42 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3216A1.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.6.JUL.2010.230542.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I think you'll enjoy these pics, Rolland  and MJ,
rzs




On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Richard...thank you for the great thoughts and photos. In a couple of
> weeks, I am doing a course at UBC(University of British Colombia) on
> 'Ancestral Memory'. I was thinking of using your post, with your permission.
> There are so many good ideas in it...silence, spiral, reborn, turning...much
> of it. The class is a seminar format and I will use your post as a
> generator. Thank you very much for responding.
>
> When I was growing up, our people did not 'gab' like they do now. Speaking
> was very important but we lived most of our lives in the silence between the
> words.... My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
> would remember....
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 03/07/2010 2:25 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> Kweh Rolland!
> tizham?h!
>
>  I'm gunna say somethun you already know...with a few pictures!
> the grandfather you spoke of....somehow his words took root in *you,*
> and ....then you winged his words accross to me...
> so... do his "words" still somehow (((vibrate))) into...*the present*?
> cuz if they are still vibrating it means there's still *a heartbeat*
> and if there is still a *heartbeat* ...there is the possibility of *life*
> and that indigenous spiral that is wound up on itself just possibly could
> unwind.
>
> Maori carvers carve it on their Morae ...Mound builders put it on their
> pottery
> and it shows up in so many indigenous cultures.(see jpgs)
> Birth, middle age, death and, rebirth ....
> Actual detection of living culture is when culture itself is either
> emerging or fading
> and there is only two times when all is silent and its invisible.
> One time is when Culture is at its highest - its like air, unseen and no
> longer felt.
> "When the shoe fits the foot is forgotten"
> the other silent place is there at the center of the spiral right at the
> moment before
> it turns...and becomes reborn...
> and YOU just might be one of those "on the turn!"
>
>  I love this spiral, and have been incorporating it in some of my own art
> work.
>
>  ske:noh
> Sohahiyoh
> (Richard)
>
>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  Good to hear cyber cousin! That is a good site. I'm looking for one with
>> only good news...lol...I even 'kliked' my heels three times...
>>
>> For this elist, I think it is just great, great to see you respond in your
>> primary language and an incidental translation into English...love it. I am
>> not capable in our language but we don't use it either. An grandfather, gone
>> now, told us. If the creator put it here for us to use and we don't use it,
>> it will go back and we will lose it.
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 03/07/2010 10:20 AM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>>  tizham?h zharaseh !
>> ndae' yawahstih trondi'
>> (thanks cousin !
>> that one's reelie good!)
>>
>>  Sohahiyoh
>> (rzs)
>> hatidare' nde wandat, akwatras ay?mendeh
>> (Wyandotte Oklahoma)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> A good resource should you have an interest.
>>>
>>> http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Wed Jul  7 06:00:31 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:00:31 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilzUaXr5jH20nR8LON4HKHMi_ag8-0H6plU8jL8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.020031.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It 
was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the 
contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the 
plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs 
did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the 
plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice, 
which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it 
in in the mail processing system.

I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever 
reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and 
in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon 
are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes 
were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I 
think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure 
they will review the contents and destroy the discs.

I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received 
the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about 
them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native 
North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information 
and knowledge on our peoples.

I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on 
the list has had the same or similar experiences with information 
exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this 
should happen, how common is it and how selective....

Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the 
very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs, 
language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to 
deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another 
indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or 
government, have committed this violation...

I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
bit...wow...I feel so bad....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
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From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 14:26:03 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:26:03 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <4C3417FF.4070708@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092603.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I am so sorry for the both of you.  I sent a personal message to Jimmy.  I
personally do not use PO.  If I absolutely have to send a package
internationally I use one of the other services, which cost enormously, but
they always arrive in one or two days OK.  Or I find someone traveling.  I
do suspect, however, what you are suspecting.

I am also pained at this loss.  I have heard the music and seen much of what
he was sending you.  It is a loss.  MJ

On 7/7/10 1:00 AM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
> contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the
> printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one
> music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the
> plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs
> did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the
> plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice,
> which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it
> in in the mail processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever
> reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and
> in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon
> are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red
> flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes
> were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I
> think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure
> they will review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
> the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about
> them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native
> North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information
> and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on
> the list has had the same or similar experiences with information
> exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this
> should happen, how common is it and how selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
> deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put
> it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another
> indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or
> government, have committed this violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> ______________________________________________
> 


From rzs at WILDBLUE.NET  Wed Jul  7 15:12:15 2010
From: rzs at WILDBLUE.NET (Richard Zane Smith)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:12:15 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <C859F8AB.147A6%hardman@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.101215.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I agree MJ,
Evidence for the down-turn slide (in the spiral) of any civilization
is when fear becomes considered "more sensible" than liberty.
Liberty and Freedom are ideals for a young vibrant civilization,
but definition of these terms slowly constrict as society weakens.

Would someone shipping something subversive or dangerous
use "names" that drew attention? I send CDs successfully to Canada often
and "Smith" would seem to be MORE suspicious...wouldn't ya think?

We've been pulled over by officials in the mid-west United States
humiliated, interrogated, and searched for absolutely NO illegal behavior.
But simply because the vehicle had tribal plates and one of our companions
drivers license had the obviously suspicious last name of White Eagle.
The authorities seemed to grow irritated when they didn't find anything
illegal.

This happens way too often..its almost a laughing joke with those of us
who take trips back and forth into Canada for ceremonies. Almost expected.
But i must also say *some border patrols officers are wonderful and
respectful*.
I try to NOT fly into Montreal when i go into Quebec. Quebec City is
preferred.

ske:noh
Richard



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:26 AM, MJ Hardman <hardman at ufl.edu> wrote:

> I am so sorry for the both of you.  I sent a personal message to Jimmy.  I
> personally do not use PO.  If I absolutely have to send a package
> internationally I use one of the other services, which cost enormously, but
> they always arrive in one or two days OK.  Or I find someone traveling.  I
> do suspect, however, what you are suspecting.
>
> I am also pained at this loss.  I have heard the music and seen much of
> what
> he was sending you.  It is a loss.  MJ
>
> On 7/7/10 1:00 AM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
> > was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
> > contents of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the
> > printed materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one
> > music cd and the three DVDs have been removed and were not in the
> > plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs
> > did not make it to me. I have attached photos of that part of the
> > plastic bag, which is much larger than in the photo by about twice,
> > which carries the postal corp. apology for the condition they found it
> > in in the mail processing system.
> >
> > I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
> > someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever
> > reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and
> > in particular on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon
> > are not sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red
> > flag' at security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes
> > were destroyed by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I
> > think this is the first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure
> > they will review the contents and destroy the discs.
> >
> > I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
> > the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about
> > them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native
> > North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information
> > and knowledge on our peoples.
> >
> > I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
> > happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on
> > the list has had the same or similar experiences with information
> > exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this
> > should happen, how common is it and how selective....
> >
> > Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
> > very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
> > language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
> > deep discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put
> > it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another
> > indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or
> > government, have committed this violation...
> >
> > I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
> > bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> >
> > -------
> > wahjeh
> > rolland nadjiwon
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
> > ______________________________________________
> >
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul  7 16:22:07 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: Immersion Camp teaches Ojibwe language using conversation (fwd
 link)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092207.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Immersion Camp teaches Ojibwe language using conversation

Awanibiisaa is the Ojibwe word for ?misty rain.? It might have been one of
the many words learned by the 400-some people who gathered for last week?s
Ojibwe Immersion Camp. Then again, maybe not. Because it was an immersion
camp, the focus was more on conversational Ojibwe rather than rote drills.

By: Jana Peterson , The Pine Journal
USA

Awanibiisaa is the Ojibwe word for ?misty rain.?

It might have been one of the many words learned by the 400-some people who
gathered for last week?s Ojibwe Immersion Camp. Then again, maybe not.
Because it was an immersion camp, the focus was more on conversational
Ojibwe rather than rote drills.

?We had 11 fluent speakers there,? said Jim Northrup, one of four camp
organizers. ?As I was showing students how to make baskets, one of the
fluent speakers was translating what I was saying. During another
presentation, we even had a conversation between two fluent speakers. So it
was more normal conversation, rather than saying: ?This is the word for car;
this is the word for house.??

Access full article below:
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul  7 16:27:11 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:27:11 -0700
Subject: Xinhua Insight: Language lessons help deepen ethnic ties in
 China's Xinjiang (fwd link)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.092711.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Xinhua Insight: Language lessons help deepen ethnic ties in China's Xinjiang

19:09, July 05, 2010
China

Gazing at the lips of her teacher, 36-year-old An Ping thinks for a moment
and bursts out with a string of unfamiliar words: "Eyuinez dikilar opdan
turuwatamdu."

"It is a greeting for Uygur people meeting in the street. It means 'How is
your family?'" says An, a community official of the Han ethnic group in
Tianshan District in Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur
Autonomous Region.

She is attending one of the government-organized Uygur language classes,
along with about 80 colleagues -- mostly ethnic Han -- from different
communities. The government bears all the costs for the full-time classes,
which began in mid-April and will last six months.

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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 17:30:51 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:30:51 -0400
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.133051.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
has it? Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
Heather?)

At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
countries do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent 
you was originally produced by small, local NGOs and was never 
meant for commercial use, so there should be no copyright concern, 
and (2) normally the inspector(s) would place the materials back 
to the envelop if they haven't found anything illegal. So hm... I 
couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if others have 
similar experiences.

Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
with UPS or FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.

Jimmy



On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
<mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
> mail. It was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along 
> with the contents of the manila envelope which had been torn 
> open. All of the printed materials are intact but taken out of 
> the envelope. The one music cd and the three DVDs have been 
> removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so 
> very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have 
> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
> larger than in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal 
> corp. apology for the condition they found it in in the mail 
> processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
> ever reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security 
> everywhere and in particular on the borders our names on the 
> envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not sufficiently English American 
> or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at security. I have had 
> similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed by pulling 
> and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the 
> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will 
> review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
> received the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and 
> tell you about them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am 
> Potowatomi(Native North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us 
> to exchange information and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if 
> anyone on the list has had the same or similar experiences with 
> information exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten 
> me as to why this should happen, how common is it and how 
> selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward 
> to the very special gifts which would enable me to hear your 
> peoples songs, language, young persons and being able to use it 
> as a springboard to deep discussions in the class and for my 
> own...how can I put it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio 
> visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy 
> for whoever, persons or government, have committed this 
> violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
> ______________________________________________
> 
> 



Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 17:31:35 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:31:35 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.133135.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
has it? Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
Heather?)

At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
countries do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent 
you was originally produced by small, local NGOs and was never 
meant for commercial use, so there should be no copyright concern, 
and (2) normally the inspector(s) would place the materials back 
to the envelop if they haven't found anything illegal. So hm... I 
couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if others have 
similar experiences.

Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
with UPS or FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.

Jimmy

On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
<mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
> mail. It was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along 
> with the contents of the manila envelope which had been torn 
> open. All of the printed materials are intact but taken out of 
> the envelope. The one music cd and the three DVDs have been 
> removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to say and so 
> very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have 
> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
> larger than in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal 
> corp. apology for the condition they found it in in the mail 
> processing system.
> 
> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but 
> someone did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
> ever reason, I have no idea. Perhaps with increased security 
> everywhere and in particular on the borders our names on the 
> envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not sufficiently English American 
> or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at security. I have had 
> similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed by pulling 
> and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the 
> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will 
> review the contents and destroy the discs.
> 
> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
> received the damaged packages with the missing items, to try and 
> tell you about them. All I can figure is you are Siraya and I am 
> Potowatomi(Native North American)...maybe it is dangerous for us 
> to exchange information and knowledge on our peoples.
> 
> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has 
> happened to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if 
> anyone on the list has had the same or similar experiences with 
> information exchange in this manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten 
> me as to why this should happen, how common is it and how 
> selective....
> 
> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward 
> to the very special gifts which would enable me to hear your 
> peoples songs, language, young persons and being able to use it 
> as a springboard to deep discussions in the class and for my 
> own...how can I put it...happiness and satisfaction in the audio 
> visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am so sorry Jimmy 
> for whoever, persons or government, have committed this 
> violation...
> 
> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a 
> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
> 
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
> 
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
> ______________________________________________
> 
> 



Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From hardman at UFL.EDU  Wed Jul  7 18:54:53 2010
From: hardman at UFL.EDU (MJ Hardman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:54:53 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilDnl4LzICg2CGTihqj0aMkSPAu3cjA8Dl771s8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.135453.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Yes, thank you.  I love spirals and often use them in my own art, currently
that of a crochet hook.  I wonder some times how much the spirals of the sky
have influenced all of us.  Spiral, in English, is not a ?basic? shape;
circle is, as in round, and remember how the early astronomers tried (in
vain) to plot the skies in ?perfect circles? because is was the ?perfect?
shape.  And yet, when we sing a round, musically, it is far more like a
spiral that a circle. MJ

On 7/6/10 11:05 PM, "Richard Zane Smith" <rzs at WILDBLUE.NET> wrote:

> I think you'll enjoy these pics, Rolland ?and MJ,
> rzs
> 
> 

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From hsouter at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul  7 22:08:20 2010
From: hsouter at GMAIL.COM (Heather Souter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:08:20 -0500
Subject: Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources
In-Reply-To: <1985463220.20151278523851175.JavaMail.osg@osgjas01.cns.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.170820.0500.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Taanshi, Jimmy,

I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the CDs and they
were indeed played on the air!  I apologize for not getting back to you
about this sooner!!  BTW, they were very well received by those who were
listening.

Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies and send
them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or a courier
service is not workable.  (At least the border security folks wouldn't be
scrutinizing the package!  It is shocking to know that singing in our
languages is considered subversive!!!!)

Eekoshi pitamaa.
Heather



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:

> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or has it?
> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, Heather?)
>
> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some countries
> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was originally
> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial use, so
> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the inspector(s)
> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't found anything
> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know if
> others have similar experiences.
>
> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time with UPS or
> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the contents
>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the printed
>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one music cd and the
>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry to
>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I have
>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much larger than
>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. apology for the
>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>
>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but someone
>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever reason, I
>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in particular
>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not
>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at
>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were destroyed
>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the
>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will review the
>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>
>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received the
>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about them. All
>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information and
>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>
>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has happened
>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on the list has
>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange in this
>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should happen, how
>> common is it and how selective....
>>
>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to deep
>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put it...happiness and
>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous culture. I am
>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have committed this
>> violation...
>>
>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
> PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
> Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 02:43:49 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:43:49 -0700
Subject: Foundation announces inaugural grant guidelines (fwd links)
Message-ID: <WED.7.JUL.2010.194349.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Foundation announces inaugural grant guidelines

Story Published: Jun 25, 2010

VANCOUVER, Wash. ? The Native Arts & Cultures Foundation recently announced
a call for submissions for its first round of grants to support the creative
work of indigenous people in the contiguous United States, Alaska and
Hawaii. Funding will be awarded to individuals, programs and organizations.

A total of $300,000 is available for distribution in amounts of up to
$20,000 for individuals and programs. Applications and eligibility rules are
available at www.nativeartsandcultures.org/programs.

Access full article below:
http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/living/97175254.html

~~~

Supporting Native Arts and Cultures

The Native Arts & Cultures Foundation is a permanently endowed foundation
supporting American Indian, Alaska Native and Native Hawaiian communities by
strengthening and supporting their diverse arts and cultures.

After years of visioning, the Native Arts & Cultures Foundation was
incorporated on Aug. 15, 2007. With grantmaking set to begin in 2010, the
Foundation will not only support Native arts and cultures but will also
stimulate tribal and Native philanthropic investment in the field by
distributing direct grants to artists and organizations and leveraging
resources through a broad range of philanthropic partnerships.

Access foundation link below:
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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Thu Jul  8 05:04:23 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 01:04:23 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.010423.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and 
Thank you Rolland.

I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx 
tomorrow. I hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of 
broken envelops.

peace
Jimmy


On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter 
<hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Taanshi, Jimmy,
> 
> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the 
> CDs and they
> were indeed played on the air!  I apologize for not getting back 
> to you
> about this sooner!!  BTW, they were very well received by those 
> who were
> listening.
> 
> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies 
> and send
> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or 
> a courier
> service is not workable.  (At least the border security folks 
> wouldn't be
> scrutinizing the package!  It is shocking to know that singing in 
> our
> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
> 
> Eekoshi pitamaa.
> Heather
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
> <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or 
>> has it?
>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
>> Heather?)
>> 
>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some 
>> countries
>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was 
>> originally
>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial 
>> use, so
>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the 
>> inspector(s)
>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't 
>> found anything
>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like 
>> to know if
>> others have similar experiences.
>> 
>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time 
>> with UPS or
>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>> 
>> Jimmy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
>> <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning 
>> mail. It
>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with 
>>> the contents
>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
>>> printed
>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
>>> music cd and the
>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I 
>>> am sorry to
>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to 
>>> me. I have
>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much 
>>> larger than
>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. 
>>> apology for the
>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration 
>>> but someone
>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever 
>>> reason, I
>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in 
>>> particular
>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are 
>>> not
>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
>>> flag' at
>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes 
>>> were destroyed
>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think 
>>> this is the
>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they 
>>> will review the
>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>> 
>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
>>> received the
>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you 
>>> about them. All
>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange 
>>> information and
>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>> 
>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what 
>>> has happened
>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on 
>>> the list has
>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange 
>>> in this
>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should 
>>> happen, how
>>> common is it and how selective....
>>> 
>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking 
>>> forward to the
>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples 
>>> songs,
>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a 
>>> springboard to deep
>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
>>> it...happiness and
>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous 
>>> culture. I am
>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have 
>>> committed this
>>> violation...
>>> 
>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>> 
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From clairebowern at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jul  8 16:58:11 2010
From: clairebowern at GMAIL.COM (Claire Bowern)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:58:11 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
In-Reply-To: <34340412.4931278565463547.JavaMail.osg@osgjas02.cns.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.125811.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I've had DVDs/CDs impounded by customs too. ... and it was through
sending them via FedEx. I was told that they were suspicious of
cryptically labelled homemade DVDs (I was sending my backup Yan-nhangu
field materials to be archived at SOAS). Apparently they are worried
about pornography and counterfeit movies. I had to give them a fully
itemised list of the contents (which wasn't hard because all the
metadata was on the "readme" on the first DVD...)
Claire

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
> Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and Thank you
> Rolland.
>
> I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx tomorrow. I
> hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of broken envelops.
>
> peace
> Jimmy
>
>
> On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter <hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi, Jimmy,
>>
>> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the CDs and
>> they
>> were indeed played on the air! ?I apologize for not getting back to you
>> about this sooner!! ?BTW, they were very well received by those who were
>> listening.
>>
>> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make copies and send
>> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex or a courier
>> service is not workable. ?(At least the border security folks wouldn't be
>> scrutinizing the package! ?It is shocking to know that singing in our
>> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
>>
>> Eekoshi pitamaa.
>> Heather
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang <huangc20 at ufl.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before (or has it?
>>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, Heather?)
>>>
>>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. Some countries
>>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was
>>> originally
>>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for commercial use, so
>>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the inspector(s)
>>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't found
>>> anything
>>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would like to know
>>> if
>>> others have similar experiences.
>>>
>>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this time with UPS
>>> or
>>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>>>
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the morning mail. It
>>>>
>>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
>>>> contents
>>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the printed
>>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one music cd and
>>>> the
>>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. I am sorry
>>>> to
>>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it to me. I
>>>> have
>>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is much larger
>>>> than
>>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. apology for
>>>> the
>>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
>>>> someone
>>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what ever reason, I
>>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in
>>>> particular
>>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon are not
>>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red flag' at
>>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were
>>>> destroyed
>>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think this is the
>>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they will review
>>>> the
>>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>>>
>>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had received
>>>> the
>>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you about them.
>>>> All
>>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange information and
>>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>>>
>>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
>>>> happened
>>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone on the list
>>>> has
>>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange in this
>>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should happen, how
>>>> common is it and how selective....
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking forward to the
>>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples songs,
>>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a springboard to
>>>> deep
>>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put it...happiness
>>>> and
>>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another indigenous culture.
>>>> I am
>>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have committed this
>>>> violation...
>>>>
>>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 17:43:05 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:43:05 -0700
Subject: Chiefs raise alarm about First Nations languages in B.C. (fwd
 link)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.104305.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Chiefs raise alarm about First Nations languages in B.C.

By Matthew Burrows
Canada

Chief Ian Campbell says the Squamish language is on the brink of vanishing.

A Squamish Nation chief says it?s ?very alarming? that the number of people
who speak the Squamish language fluently amounts to one soccer team plus a
substitute.

?We have about 12 fluent speakers out of a total of 3,600 people,? Chief Ian
Campbell, cultural ambassador for the Squamish Nation, told the Georgia
Straight by phone. ?That?s less than one percent of our tribe right now
speaking. The young people know a lot of words in the language, but they are
not conversing in the language.?

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul  8 17:51:55 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:51:55 -0700
Subject: B.C. First Nations languages face extinction unless action taken
 now, report says (fwd links)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.105155.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

May 1, 2010

B.C. First Nations languages face extinction unless action taken now, report
says

By Stephen Hui
Canada

First Nations languages in British Columbia are hurtling toward "imminent
extinction", a new report says.

But the Report on the Status of B.C. First Nations Languages 2010 argues
that these "critically endangered" languages can be saved if quick action is
taken.

Prepared by the First Peoples? Heritage, Language and Culture Council and
released on April 30, the report notes that, with 32 languages and 59
dialects, B.C. is home to 60 percent of First Nations languages in Canada.

"Based on three variables for measuring language endangerment (speakers,
usage and language resources), all of B.C. First Nations languages are
severely endangered or nearly extinct," it states. "Some are already
sleeping."

According to the report, fluent speakers represent 5.1 percent (5,609) of
the B.C. First Nations population. "Semi-speakers" comprise 8.2 percent
(8,948) of the population, while people learning their language constitute
11.1 percent (12,223).

Most fluent speakers are over 65 years old. Only 1.5 percent (36) of fluent
speakers are under the age of 25.

Access full article below:
http://www.straight.com/article-320680/vancouver/bc-first-nations-languages-face-extinction-unless-action-taken-now-report-says

~~~

ILAT note: I am posting this news article again th0ugh it is from May 1,
2010.  Many may have missed it or it may not have been posted here to begin
with.  The informative report (at the web link) describes the state of
language endangerment across Canada.  Unfortunately, nothing like this is
available for the US.
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From Jon.Reyhner at NAU.EDU  Thu Jul  8 18:06:27 2010
From: Jon.Reyhner at NAU.EDU (Jon Allan Reyhner)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 11:06:27 -0700
Subject: FW: [lg policy] RFP: Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers
 Grants to Support Social Change Research
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9QolJh1qQudJK-CrZrtjRa0rgkCGaGbFDaWlr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.110627.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

I thought some on this list serve might be interested in the announcement below from the language policy list serve. Note the support for research on language loss and maintenace.

Jon Reyhner
Professor of Bilingual Multicultural Education
Northern Arizona University
Flagstaff, Arizona
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/
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From: lgpolicy-list-bounces+jon.reyhner=nau.edu at groups.sas.upenn.edu [lgpolicy-list-bounces+jon.reyhner=nau.edu at groups.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Schiffman [hfsclpp at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:39 AM
To: lp
Subject: [lg policy] RFP: Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers Grants     to Support Social Change Research

Deadline: August 15, 2010


Sociological Initiatives Foundation Offers Grants to Support Social Change Research

The Sociological Initiatives Foundation, which was established to support research that furthers social change, including language learning and behavior and its intersection with social and policy questions, is accepting concept applications for its annual grant program.

The foundation specifically supports research that focuses on social policy objectives, institutional and educational practices, legislative and regulatory changes, linguistic issues (e.g., literacy, language loss and maintenance, language policy, language and national security, bilingualism, language and gender, language and law, language disabilities, language and health, language and education, different language cultures), and development of community capacity and organization of previously unorganized groups. Funded research should ideally build an organization or constituency's potential to expand public knowledge, impact policy, and create social change.

Examples of eligible applicants include academic-community partnerships, advocacy or community groups that conduct research that can withstand challenge in academic and policy arenas, and academics that organize or link to a constituency through their research. The foundation makes grants to nonprofit 501(c)(3) organizations and academic institutions and other qualified organizations wishing to sponsor research projects by individual scholars or practitioners. The foundation does not make grants directly to individuals. The foundation's geographic focus is limited to the United States and its territories.

Grant amounts typically range from $10,000 to $20,000 each.

Complete program information is available at the foundation's Web site.

http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/rfp/rfp_item.jhtml?id=299500004

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From huangc20 at UFL.EDU  Thu Jul  8 18:48:22 2010
From: huangc20 at UFL.EDU (Chun Jimmy Huang)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:48:22 -0400
Subject: Lost materials
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.144822.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Thank you, Claire, for the sound advice.
I'll make a list of content for the potential inspectors.

Jimmy

On Thu Jul 08 12:58:11 EDT 2010, Claire Bowern 
<clairebowern at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I've had DVDs/CDs impounded by customs too. ... and it was 
> through
> sending them via FedEx. I was told that they were suspicious of
> cryptically labelled homemade DVDs (I was sending my backup 
> Yan-nhangu
> field materials to be archived at SOAS). Apparently they are 
> worried
> about pornography and counterfeit movies. I had to give them a 
> fully
> itemised list of the contents (which wasn't hard because all the
> metadata was on the "readme" on the first DVD...)
> Claire
> 
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
> <huangc20 at ufl.edu> wrote:
>> Thank you Heather, Thank you Dr. Hardman, Thank you Richard, and 
>> Thank you
>> Rolland.
>> 
>> I've made new copies and will send them out via UPS or FedEx 
>> tomorrow. I
>> hope we won't see any more disturbing pictures of broken 
>> envelops.
>> 
>> peace
>> Jimmy
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed Jul 07 18:08:20 EDT 2010, Heather Souter 
>> <hsouter at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>>> Taanshi, Jimmy,
>>> 
>>> I am glad to be able to tell you that I did indeed receive the 
>>> CDs and
>>> they
>>> were indeed played on the air! ??I apologize for not getting 
>>> back to you
>>> about this sooner!! ??BTW, they were very well received by 
>>> those who were
>>> listening.
>>> 
>>> Now, if you give me permission, I would be willing to make 
>>> copies and send
>>> them to Rolland and/or other folks in Canada for you if Fedex 
>>> or a courier
>>> service is not workable. ??(At least the border security folks 
>>> wouldn't be
>>> scrutinizing the package! ??It is shocking to know that singing 
>>> in our
>>> languages is considered subversive!!!!)
>>> 
>>> Eekoshi pitamaa.
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Chun Jimmy Huang 
>>> <huangc20 at ufl.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh, wow, I am in shock! This has never happened to me before 
>>>> (or has it?
>>>> Did you receive my music cds for your friend's radio show, 
>>>> Heather?)
>>>> 
>>>> At first I thought it might simply be a piracy inspection. 
>>>> Some countries
>>>> do check all self-burnt discs. But (1) everything I sent you was
>>>> originally
>>>> produced by small, local NGOs and was never meant for 
>>>> commercial use, so
>>>> there should be no copyright concern, and (2) normally the 
>>>> inspector(s)
>>>> would place the materials back to the envelop if they haven't 
>>>> found
>>>> anything
>>>> illegal. So hm... I couldn't justify it. And I, too, would 
>>>> like to know
>>>> if
>>>> others have similar experiences.
>>>> 
>>>> Still, don't be too upset, Rolland. I'll try again... this 
>>>> time with UPS
>>>> or
>>>> FedEx. I'll let you know when I send my package out.
>>>> 
>>>> Jimmy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed Jul 07 02:00:31 EDT 2010, Rolland Nadjiwon 
>>>> <mikinakn at shaw.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ??Hi Jimmy...Your package arrived in my mailbox with the 
>>>> morning mail. It
>>>>> 
>>>>> was placed inside a much larger sealed plastic bag along with the
>>>>> contents
>>>>> of the manila envelope which had been torn open. All of the 
>>>>> printed
>>>>> materials are intact but taken out of the envelope. The one 
>>>>> music cd and
>>>>> the
>>>>> three DVDs have been removed and were not in the plastic bag. 
>>>>> I am sorry
>>>>> to
>>>>> say and so very disappointed the cd and DVDs did not make it 
>>>>> to me. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> attached photos of that part of the plastic bag, which is 
>>>>> much larger
>>>>> than
>>>>> in the photo by about twice, which carries the postal corp. 
>>>>> apology for
>>>>> the
>>>>> condition they found it in in the mail processing system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea if it was opened by Candian or USA immigration but
>>>>> someone
>>>>> did open it and removed only the cd and DVDs but for what 
>>>>> ever reason, I
>>>>> have no idea. Perhaps with increased security everywhere and in
>>>>> particular
>>>>> on the borders our names on the envelope Huan and Nadjiwon 
>>>>> are not
>>>>> sufficiently English American or Canadian and so raise a 'red 
>>>>> flag' at
>>>>> security. I have had similar incidents but usually the tapes were
>>>>> destroyed
>>>>> by pulling and knotting or the cd/DVDs were cut up. I think 
>>>>> this is the
>>>>> first time they have disappeared completely. I am sure they 
>>>>> will review
>>>>> the
>>>>> contents and destroy the discs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was much too upset and saddened earlier today, after I had 
>>>>> received
>>>>> the
>>>>> damaged packages with the missing items, to try and tell you 
>>>>> about them.
>>>>> All
>>>>> I can figure is you are Siraya and I am Potowatomi(Native North
>>>>> American)...maybe it is dangerous for us to exchange 
>>>>> information and
>>>>> knowledge on our peoples.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have posted to the ILAT list so one: they can all know what has
>>>>> happened
>>>>> to an exchange of intellectual knowledge and two: if anyone 
>>>>> on the list
>>>>> has
>>>>> had the same or similar experiences with information exchange 
>>>>> in this
>>>>> manner. Or, if anyone can enlighten me as to why this should 
>>>>> happen, how
>>>>> common is it and how selective....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimmy, I am so sorry this has happened. I was so looking 
>>>>> forward to the
>>>>> very special gifts which would enable me to hear your peoples 
>>>>> songs,
>>>>> language, young persons and being able to use it as a 
>>>>> springboard to
>>>>> deep
>>>>> discussions in the class and for my own...how can I put 
>>>>> it...happiness
>>>>> and
>>>>> satisfaction in the audio visual sharing of another 
>>>>> indigenous culture.
>>>>> I am
>>>>> so sorry Jimmy for whoever, persons or government, have 
>>>>> committed this
>>>>> violation...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I had best have a good cup of herbal tea and calm down a
>>>>> bit...wow...I feel so bad....
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory???
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
> 



Dr. Chun (Jimmy) Huang
PhD, Linguistics, University of Florida
Linguistic consultant, Tainan Pepo Siraya Culture Association


From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul  9 05:33:32 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:33:32 -0700
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.8.JUL.2010.223332.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties

CANWEST NEWS SERVICE JULY 8, 2010
Canada

An obscure language in Siberia has similarities to languages in North
America, which might reshape history, writes Randy Boswell.

A new book by leading linguists has bolstered a controversial theory that
the language of Canada's Dene Nation is rooted in an ancient Asian tongue
spoken today by only a few hundred people in Western Siberia.

The landmark discovery, initially proposed two years ago by U.S. researcher
Edward Vajda, represents the only known link between any Old World language
and the hundreds of speech systems among First Nations in the Western
Hemisphere

Read more:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Words+canoe+point+long+lost+family+ties/3248953/story.html#ixzz0tA0MqN3h
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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  9 21:44:50 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:44:50 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilsg7dbjM-zNivTRVCuzZtGVonBdJ2iIHneKt14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.174450.0400.>

OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.

- ?ine n? Dhonnchadha
Harvard '97
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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul  9 21:48:18 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:48:18 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAOOJTXjCS7dAjiwRPurPxgReFiML0kE3uMUD4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.174818.0400.>

Excuse me, it's EDWARD J Vajda. I don't know what I was thinking. Apologies
to Dr Vajda.

... also I forgot, in my haste, to inquire if anyone knows how to order the
book in question, because I certainly haven't located even the title.

Thanks,

?ine n? Dhonnchadha

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:44 PM, ?ine n? Dhonnchadha <sikozujohnson at gmail.com
> wrote:

> OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
> mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
> that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.
>
> - ?ine n? Dhonnchadha
> Harvard '97
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From mannheim at UMICH.EDU  Fri Jul  9 22:14:27 2010
From: mannheim at UMICH.EDU (Bruce Mannheim)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:14:27 -0500
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmeuxR-qv7R8m4_oeAEaZ_THEff7FvR6x8-3G8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.171427.0500.>

It can be ordered from the Department of Anthropology, University of
Alaska-Fairbanks, at the following website:

 

http://www.uaf.edu/anthro/apua/

 

Qusqumanta ?apasaykichis 

 

 

-- 

Bruce Mannheim

Professor of Anthropology 

University of Michigan 

1085 S. University 

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107

 

+1.734.763-4259

+51.84.22.96.32 anexo 29

 

Chuchiku -- cuz

 

 

From: Indigenous Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Sikozu Johnson
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:48 PM
To: ILAT at LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [ILAT] Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd
link)

 

Excuse me, it's EDWARD J Vajda. I don't know what I was thinking. Apologies
to Dr Vajda.

 

... also I forgot, in my haste, to inquire if anyone knows how to order the
book in question, because I certainly haven't located even the title.

 

Thanks,

 

?ine n? Dhonnchadha

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:44 PM, ?ine n? Dhonnchadha
<sikozujohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I had to snark: the best part of that article is that it does not
mention any information about the book in question except to vaguely observe
that the name Philip Vajda is probably how you can find a copy.

 

- ?ine n? Dhonnchadha

Harvard '97

 

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 10 05:54:49 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:54:49 -0700
Subject: Kwak'wala added to N. Island curriculum (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.225449.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Kwak'wala added to N. Island curriculum

COURIER-ISLANDER JULY 9, 2010
Canada

A 14th Aboriginal language, Kwak'wala, has been approved for addition to the
B.C. K-12 curriculum providing choice for students in the Vancouver Island
North school district and strengthening the presence of aboriginal culture
and history in classrooms, Education Minister Margaret MacDiarmid announced
on Aboriginal Day last week.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 10 05:57:23 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:57:23 -0700
Subject: Professor Investigates Ket Language (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.9.JUL.2010.225723.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Professor Investigates Ket Language

Fri, July 9, 2010
Posted in Alaska News
USA

Video by Professor Edward Vajda: The first five minutes are subtitled with
no sound. But, at 5:10, there is a story in the Ket language.
Lori Townsend, APRN ? Anchorage

A new book chronicles the language link between a remote village in northern
Siberia and the Dene or Athabascan family of languages in North America. The
Ket people, of the Yenisei River, have been studied by Professor Edward
Vajda, a linguistics expert from Western Washington University. Vajda says
there are about 30 languages in Siberia that are not related to Russian and
Ket is one of them. He says it is radically different than any other
language of north Asia.

Vayda says no one from North America had ever worked with the Ket language
before. He says Ket is the only surviving language of the Yeniseian family.
Other Native languages along the Yenisei River are extinct.

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From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Sat Jul 10 16:39:56 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:39:56 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilMsLhG0bWzPiB96JMSTOL9CtZ9bNm6mrCVPVm3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.123956.0400.>

For those of you who forwarded the link, thanks.
For the interest of the list, order it here: http://www.uaf.edu/anthro/apua/

It is a special issue of the *Anthropological Papers of the U of
Alaska*edited by James Kari and Ben Potter entitled "The
Dene-Yeniseian
Connection".
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From harveyd at SOU.EDU  Sat Jul 10 17:43:38 2010
From: harveyd at SOU.EDU (Dan Harvey)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:43:38 -0700
Subject: Request for auditioning
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.104338.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

The following is a request I received for someone who would like to participate in the following project. The contact information is at the bottom. I don't know the person personally; Joe Caron was one of my graduate students a few years back. 

Hello Professor Harvey,

You were referred to me by one of our wonderful narrators, Joe Caron.  He suggested that you might know of some men that might be interested in auditioning for the autobiography of Black Hawk.  I understand from Joe that you helped to create linguistic software to preserve Native American languages.  How wonderful!  This project will require someone who can read some passages in the Sauk Language, related to Algonquin.  I look forward to your thoughts at your earliest convenience.

Best wishes,
Cindy

Cynthia Bauman
Executive Producer
BeeAudio
4860 Hwy 66
Ashland, OR 97520
541-708-0167 office
541-864-9669 cell
cindy at beeaudio.com
www.beeaudio.com


From klokeid at UVIC.CA  Sun Jul 11 05:09:56 2010
From: klokeid at UVIC.CA (Terry Klokeid)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:09:56 -0700
Subject: Shinnecock nation reclaims slice of the Hamptons after court
 victory
Message-ID: <SAT.10.JUL.2010.220956.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Native American tribe reclaims slice of the Hamptons after court victory

Shinnecock nation recovers ancestral lands in millionaires' Long Island playground after gaining federal recognition

Paul Harris in Southampton, New York
The Observer, Sunday 11 July 2010
 
Members of the Shinnecock nation outside court in Central Islip, New York, after filing papers claiming tribal ownership of land in the Hamptons. Photograph: Ed Betz
From a distance the teardrop-shaped peninsula looks just like any other bit of the famed Hamptons shoreline. Thick woods crowd down to the water's edge, and through the trees houses and roads can be glimpsed.

But this land is not part of the Hamptons, neither is it really part of the United States any more. This patch ? in the middle of the playground to Manhattan's social elite ? is proudly and fiercely Native American country.

Almost four centuries since their first contact with the white man and after a 32-year court battle that has just ended in victory, the tiny Shinnecock tribe has now been formally recognised by America's federal government.

The decision means that the Shinnecock, numbering some 1,300 members, many of whom live in deep poverty compared with their wealthy neighbours, can apply for federal funding to build schools, health centres and set up their own police force. It means their tiny 750-acre reservation is now a semi-sovereign nation within the US, just like much bigger and more famous reservations in the west.

In order to qualify the Shinnecock literally had to prove that they existed, submitting thousands of pages of tribal records. It was a process that has left a bitter legacy. "Why do we need federal recognition to show we are who we are?" said Shinnecock leader Lance Gumbs as he sat in his office in the community centre. "It's a humiliating, degrading and insensitive process. Why do Indian people have to go through that? No other peoples are treated like that."

Many believe that the lengthy and painful process that the Shinnecock have been forced to go through is explained by the tribe's position bang in the middle of the Hamptons, the string of Long Island towns where rich New Yorkers come to party away the summers. The difference between Shinnecock land and the rest of the Hamptons is jarring. The reservation, signalled by a line of stalls selling cheap cigarettes, sits side by side with the town of Southampton, heart of the Hamptons scene.

On the reservation, some roads are dusty and unpaved. The houses can be ramshackle. Unemployment can be a problem for many Shinnecock members. Outside it on the streets of Southampton, stretch limos and black Lexus prowl down streets lined with shops selling Ralph Lauren and Diane von Furstenberg. A real estate agent on Southampton's main street happily advertises a local house going for $12.2m.

Historically ? and indeed pretty much since Europeans first arrived in the area in the 1600s ? the Shinnecock have been on the retreat. They lost land steadily as more and more Europeans began to farm their traditional territory, eventually leading to an agreement in 1703 that saw them confined to a broad swath of land around Southampton under a 1,000-year lease. However, in 1859 the pressure of development saw that deal scrapped by the settlers and the Shinnecock reduced to their current tiny holding. For years tribal members then eked out a living working on white farms or helping local fishermen and whalers.

Now that is all set to change as a key part of federal recognition allows the Shinnecock to do the one thing that has changed Native American fortunes more than anything else in the last 100 years: build a casino. Gumbs now sees real power finally in Shinnecock hands. "We are going after everything we are entitled to," he said. "I am not a big fan of Southampton. They were happy as long as we were the good little Indians in the corner. Well, that's changed now."

It is unlikely that the Shinnecock will build their casino in the Hamptons itself, which is already notoriously crowded and traffic-clogged. Instead the simple threat of it is likely to eventually see them negotiate the right to build a casino elsewhere in Long Island, an area that is seen as ripe for the development of a gambling mecca.

Either way, it seems Shinnecock fortunes are set to be dramatically reversed. For many tribal members it is a chance to rescue what remains of the tribe's culture. Sitting in the tribal museum and cultural centre, Winonah Warren, 71, remembers being taken as a young girl to see a Shinnecock medicine man. She sees the deer that she spots in her garden as a spiritual sign.

She practises a Native American religion in which she takes peyote. It is about as far from the Hamptons scene as it is possible to get. "I love being on the reservation. Even when I am not here, I feel that my heart is," she said, touching her chest.

Some even feel that federal recognition ? and the prospect of a casino ? might be the beginning of a wider Shinnecock resurgence. In the white land grab of 1859 an area of land called the Shinnecock Hills was taken. Many Shinnecock held it to be sacred ground. It is now full of rich houses and the famous Shinnecock Hills golf club, with total real estate worth more than a billion dollars. The Shinnecock have sued to get it back.

For many of the Hamptons residents the prospect no doubt seems ridiculous: a relic of ancient history and long-forgotten wrongs. But not so for some of the Shinnecock. Elizabeth Haile, a 79-year-old tribal member, remembers her grandmother telling her how the Shinnecock Hills had been stolen.

Does she think the tribe will ever get them back? "Yeah," she said with no hesitation, and then added with a smile: "It is a prediction. Some people never thought we would get federally recognised."


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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sun Jul 11 18:48:16 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:48:16 -0700
Subject: Language lessons serve future generations (fwd link)
Message-ID: <SUN.11.JUL.2010.114816.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

*Language lessons serve future generations*

Jul 9, 2009
by Ileiren Poon
Alberta, Canada

Edmonton-Dorothy Thunder is determined to make sure future generations -
including her own daughter - have the opportunity to listen to the language
Thunder learned while growing up.

Thunder is a Cree-language instructor with the University of Alberta's
Canadian Indigenous Languages and Literacy Development Institute. But for
her, learning about Cree in an academic setting, even though she could speak
it fluently, was a little disorienting.

"It's like doing the whole process backwards," she said. "When I learned to
speak Cree in my home, I just listened and learned and spoke. It was
automatic, but I didn't know there was a formal structure to what I was
speaking."

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 12 05:40:32 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:40:32 -0700
Subject: Hope pictorial dictionaries will preserve Indigenous languages
 (fwd link)
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Hope pictorial dictionaries will preserve Indigenous languages

By Chrissy Arthur
Australia

Pictorial dictionaries are to be developed for a number of Indigenous groups
in Queensland's far-west to ensure the preservation of Aboriginal language.

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From Melvin.Peltier at SAULTCOLLEGE.CA  Mon Jul 12 16:18:11 2010
From: Melvin.Peltier at SAULTCOLLEGE.CA (Melvin Peltier)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:18:11 -0400
Subject: Employment Opportunity: Native Student Counsellor Full time
 Position - Sault College
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Please forward to your contacts.
Melvin
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From nflrc at HAWAII.EDU  Mon Jul 12 23:59:40 2010
From: nflrc at HAWAII.EDU (National Foreign Language Resource Center)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:59:40 -1000
Subject: 2nd Call for Proposals: 2nd International Conference on Language
 Documentation & Conservation (ICLDC)
Message-ID: <MON.12.JUL.2010.135940.1000.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>


Apologies for any cross-postings . . .

2nd International Conference on Language Documentation and Conservation: 
Strategies for Moving Forward.
Honolulu, Hawai'i, February 11-13, 2011
http://nflrc.hawaii.edu/ICLDC/2011

The 2nd International Conference on Language Documentation and Conservation 
(ICLDC) will be held February 11-13, 2011, at the Hawai?i Imin International 
Conference Center on the University of Hawai?i at Manoa campus. Two days of 
optional technical training workshops will precede the conference (Feb 9-10 - 
see details below). An optional Hilo Field Study (on the Big Island of Hawai'i) 
to visit Hawaiian language revitalization programs in action will immediately 
follow the conference (Feb. 14-15).

The 1st ICLDC, with its theme ?Supporting Small Languages Together," 
underscored the need for communities, linguists, and other academics to work in 
close collaboration. The theme of the 2nd ICLDC is ?Strategies for Moving 
Forward." We aim to build on the strong momentum created at the 1st ICLDC and 
to discuss research and revitalization approaches yielding rich, accessible 
records which can benefit both the field of language documentation and speech 
communities. We hope you will join us.


TOPICS

We welcome abstracts on best practices for language documentation and 
conservation moving forward, which may include:

- Archiving matters
- Community-based documentation/conservation initiatives
- Data management
- Fieldwork methods
- Ethical issues
- Interdisciplinary fieldwork
- Language planning
- Lexicography
- Methods of assessing ethnolinguistic vitality
- Orthography design
- Reference grammar design
- Reports on language maintenance, preservation, and revitalization
   efforts
- Teaching/learning small languages
- Technology in documentation ? methods and pitfalls
- Topics in areal language documentation
- Training in documentation methods ? beyond the university

This is not an exhaustive list, and individual proposals on topics outside 
these areas are warmly welcomed.


ABSTRACT SUBMISSION

Abstracts should be submitted in English, but presentations can be in any 
language. We particularly welcome presentations in languages of the region 
discussed. Authors may submit no more than one individual and one joint 
(co-authored) proposal.

ABSTRACTS ARE DUE BY AUGUST 31, 2010, with notification of acceptance by 
September 30, 2010. We ask for ABSTRACTS OF NO MORE THAN 400 WORDS for online 
publication so that conference participants can have a good idea of the content 
of your paper and a 50-WORD SUMMARY for inclusion in the conference program. 
All abstracts will be submitted to blind peer review by international experts 
on the topic.

See ICLDC conference website for ONLINE PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FORM. We will only 
be accepting proposal submissions for papers or posters.

**Note for students**:  Scholarships for up to $1,500 will be awarded to the 
six best student abstracts submitted to help defray travel expenses to come and 
present at the conference.  (Only U.S.-based students are eligible for this 
scholarship due to funding source regulations, and only one scholarship awarded 
per abstract.)  If you wish to be considered for a scholarship, please select 
the "Yes" button on the proposal submission form.

Selected papers from the conference will be invited to submit to the journal 
Language Documentation & Conservation for publication. (Most presentations from 
the 1st ICLDC were recorded and can be heard as podcasts here: 
http://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10125/5961.)


PRESENTATION FORMATS

- Papers will be allowed 20 minutes for presentation with 10 minutes of
  ?question time.
- Posters will be on display throughout the conference. Poster
   presentations will run during the lunch breaks.


PLENARY SPEAKERS

* Keren D. Rice, University of Toronto
* Wayan Arka, Australian National University
* Larry Kimura, University of Hawai?i at Hilo


INVITED COLLOQUIA

* The Use of Film in Language Documentation (Organizers: Rozenn Milin and
   Melissa Bisagni)
* Grammaticography (Organizer: Sebastian Nordhoff)
* Colloquium on Dictionaries and Endangered Languages: Technology,
   Revitalization, and Collaboration (Organizer: Sarah Ogilvie)


OPTIONAL PRE-CONFERENCE WORKSHOPS (TENTATIVE SCHEDULE)
Pre-conference workshops will be an additional $20/workshop.  The number of 
spaces available per workshop will be limited and can be signed up for via the 
conference registration form, available in September.

Wednesday Feb 9th 9:00-12:00
- Flex (Beth Bryson)
- Elan (Andrea Berez)
- Advanced Toolbox (Albert Bickford)

Wednesday Feb 9th 1:00-4:00
- Psycholinguistic techniques for the assessment of language strength
   (Amy Schafer and William O'Grady)
- Flex (repeat offering) (Beth Bryson)
- Video/film in langdoc 1- use of video for langdoc (TBA)

Thursday Feb 10th, 9:00-12:00
- Video/film in langdoc 2 - use of video for langdoc (TBA)
- Elan (repeat offering) (Andrea Berez)
- LEXUS and VICOS - lexicon and conceptual spaces (Jacquelijn Ringersma)

Thursday Feb 10th, 1:00-4:00
- Archiving challenges and metadata (Paul Trilsbeek)
- Language acquisition for revitalization specialists (William O'Grady
   and Virginia Yip)
- Advanced Toolbox (repeat offering) (Albert Bickford)


ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Helen Aristar-Dry (LinguistList, Eastern Michigan University)
Peter Austin (SOAS, London)
Linda Barwick (University of Sydney)
Steven Bird (University of Melbourne)
Phil Cash Cash (University of Arizona)
Lise Dobrin (University of Virginia)
Arienne Dwyer (University of Kansas)
Margaret Florey (Resource Network for Linguistic Diversity)
Carol Genetti (University of California, Santa Barbara)
Spike Gildea (University of Oregon)
Jeff Good (SUNY Buffalo)
Joseph Grimes (SIL International)
Colette Grinevald (University of Lyon)
Nikolaus Himmelmann (Institut f?r Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft
   Westf?lische Wilhelms-Universit?t M?nster)
Leanne Hinton (University of California, Berkeley)
Gary Holton (Alaska Native Language Center)
Will McClatchey (University of Hawai'i)
Marianne Mithun (University of California, Santa Barbara)
Claire Moyse-Faurie (LACITO, CNRS)
Toshihide Nakayama (Tokyo University of Foreign Studies)
Keren D. Rice (University of Toronto)
Norvin Richards (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

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From mhill06 at SIMONS-ROCK.EDU  Tue Jul 13 18:04:33 2010
From: mhill06 at SIMONS-ROCK.EDU (monty hill)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:04:33 -0400
Subject: Haudenosaunee Passports May Not be Honored by the U.S. Government
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUL.2010.140433.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi all,

I thought this might be something of interest to those who are interested in
issues regarding Indian sovereignty, both abroad and in the U.S.

Full Article Below:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/12/2010-07-12_iroquois_lacrosse_team_banned_from_flying_overseas_us_refuses_to_recognize_tribe.html

more information may be found at:
http://www.onondaganation.org/
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From tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET  Tue Jul 13 19:39:17 2010
From: tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET (Tammy DeCoteau)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:39:17 -0500
Subject: youtube language learning
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From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Tue Jul 13 20:37:38 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:37:38 -0400
Subject: youtube language learning
In-Reply-To: <961072837.487719.1279049957565.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUL.2010.163738.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Congratulations...what a great idea....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 13/07/2010 3:39 PM, Tammy DeCoteau wrote:
> My relatives,
>
> Youtube has a grant program.  In order to be noticed, you need views 
> and subscriptions.  We have now over 60 videos on youtube for 
> teaching/learning the Dakotah language and ask that people view our 
> videos and/or subscribe to our channel.
>
> Pidamaya.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/AAIALanguageProgram
>
> Tammy DeCoteau
> AAIA Native Language Program 
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From tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET  Tue Jul 13 20:43:02 2010
From: tdc.aaia at VERIZON.NET (Tammy DeCoteau)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:43:02 -0500
Subject: youtube language learning
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From jgross at OREGONSTATE.EDU  Wed Jul 14 18:02:28 2010
From: jgross at OREGONSTATE.EDU (Gross, Joan)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:28 -0700
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilsg7dbjM-zNivTRVCuzZtGVonBdJ2iIHneKt14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.110228.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Check this out:

http://www.racialicious.com/2010/07/06/the-potawatomis-didnt-have-a-word-for
-global-business-center/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=
Feed%3A+Racialicious+%28Racialicious+-+the+intersection+of+race+and+pop+cult
ure%29

jg

From mikinakn at SHAW.CA  Wed Jul 14 18:14:09 2010
From: mikinakn at SHAW.CA (Rolland Nadjiwon)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:14:09 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <010B704E8DA0D94D9F5C81B08045B3DB08F513242C@EXCH2.nws.oregonstate.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.141409.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Yeah..I saw that one...I guess we all migrated from the same place too 
since we all have the same word for 'baloney'...even if some spell it 
differently and pronounce it strangely, that still does not deny that we 
all come from the same 'baloney' roots...eh....brothers and sisters....

-------
wahjeh
rolland nadjiwon
______________________________________________

A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory?
______________________________________________


On 14/07/2010 2:02 PM, Gross, Joan wrote:
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.racialicious.com/2010/07/06/the-potawatomis-didnt-have-a-word-for
> -global-business-center/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=
> Feed%3A+Racialicious+%28Racialicious+-+the+intersection+of+race+and+pop+cult
> ure%29
>
> jg
>    


From sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jul 14 19:36:04 2010
From: sikozujohnson at GMAIL.COM (Sikozu Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:36:04 -0400
Subject: Words for 'canoe' point to long-lost family ties (fwd link)
In-Reply-To: <4C3DFE71.6090801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.14.JUL.2010.153604.0400.>

It was my understanding it didn't even mean "Onion Field" but rather "Skunk
Cabbage Place", which the City's ad board refused on the grounds that it
painted the city in a bad light, but perhaps I'm misinformed by cousin
languages.

?ine
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 20:55:30 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:55:30 -0700
Subject: NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language Preservation (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.135530.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Published Online: July 14, 2010

NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language Preservation

By Mary Ann Zehr
Washington DC

Native American leaders pressed members of Congress and federal education
officials this week to provide relief from provisions of the No Child Left
Behind Act that they see as obstacles to running the language-immersion
schools they need to keep their languages from disappearing.

Access full article below:
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/07/14/37indian.h29.html?tkn=RTRFHXrhw%2B9niVfTDfMB9eOXQyjvE3PL%2FZ5W&cmp=clp-edweek
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 20:57:19 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: Filmmakers focus on First Voices (wd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.135719.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Filmmakers focus on First Voices

By Steve Kidd - Penticton Western News
Published: July 13, 2010 6:00 PM

Two graduates from the En?owkin Centre are part of a major documentary film
project, exploring the creative efforts B.C. First Nations communities are
making to preserve their languages for the future.

Megan Fortier and Bracken Hanuse Corlett helped produce the first segment
for a new series on the Knowledge Network. Our First Voices is a collection
of 13 short documentaries told in their original First Nations languages.

Access full article below:
http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/pentictonwesternnews/news/98373979.html
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 21:00:03 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:00:03 -0700
Subject: Early Oblate's Cree prayer book reborn (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.140003.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

July 19, 2010

Early Oblate's Cree prayer book reborn
University Press engaged various experts to work in collaboration to
reproduce Fr. Grouard's book

CHRIS MILLER
WESTERN CATHOLIC REPORTER
Canada

EDMONTON - When Oblate Father Emile Grouard came to the Canadian Northwest
in the mid-19th century, he set out to make the Catholic faith more
accessible to the First Nations people.

One result was a prayer book in Cree in the 1880s, the first book ever
published in Alberta.

Access full article below:
http://www.wcr.ab.ca/news/2010/0719/cree071910.shtml
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 15 21:02:29 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:02:29 -0700
Subject: Government agency pledges to promote rights of Pingpu aborgines
 (fwd link)
Message-ID: <THU.15.JUL.2010.140229.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Government agency pledges to promote rights of Pingpu aborgines

2010/07/06 23:19:08
Tiawan

Taipei, July 6 (CNA) Minister Sun Ta-chuan of the Cabinet-level Council of
Indigenous Peoples (CIP) vowed Tuesday to further enhance the rights of the
Pingpu plain aboriginal tribes of Taiwan.

"The era during which the existence of Pingpu tribes was ignored or even
denied has come to an end, as the CIP has established a task force to take
care of Pingpu-related affairs, " Sun said at a press conference.

Access full article below:
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?ID=201007060040&Type=aSOC
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From pasxapu at DAKOTACOM.NET  Fri Jul 16 14:49:40 2010
From: pasxapu at DAKOTACOM.NET (phil cash cash)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:49:40 -0700
Subject: Technology rejuvenates neglected languages (fwd link)
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.074940.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Technology rejuvenates neglected languages

July 15, 2010
Keh Blut uses the Open Road software to type in his native tongue  
S'gaw Karen. Photo: Joe Armao

IT'S TECHNOLOGY'S 21st century whizzbangery that usually grabs the  
headlines ? 3D TV, mobile information systems, social media and the  
like ? but sometimes a new application to an everyday activity is  
worth mentioning.

Internet users in the West take for granted that they can communicate  
in the digital world in their own language. But what if standard  
QWERTY keyboards aren't available in your native tongue? It's an issue  
for many minority communities that have emigrated to Australia,  
especially from places affected by drought, famine, civil unrest and  
underdevelopment.

Keh Blut  hopes that his native S'gaw Karen  language will one day be  
as available and easy to use online as behemoth Asian languages  
Chinese and Japanese.

Blut has been working with Andrew Cunningham of the State Library of  
Victoria to develop software that will enable native speakers of S'gaw  
Karen, a minority tongue used by the Karen communities of Burma and  
Thailand, to use computers in their own language.



Access full article below:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/blogs/untangling-the-web/technology-rejuvenates-neglected-languages/20100715-10bvl.html

From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 16 17:37:47 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:37:47 -0700
Subject: Government of Canada Announces New Research Project to Revitalize
 Cayuga Language at Six Nations of the Grand River Reserve,
 Ontario (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.103747.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Jul 16, 2010 10:50 ET

Government of Canada Announces New Research Project to Revitalize Cayuga
Language at Six Nations of the Grand River Reserve, Ontario

SIX NATIONS OF THE GRAND RIVER RESERVE, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - July 16,
2010) - New research led by Memorial University will examine ways of
maintaining and revitalizing the Cayuga language spoken at the Six Nations
of the Grand River Reserve in Ontario. The project will help foster
innovative research, training and new knowledge of the Cayuga language. The
announcement was made by Phil McColeman, Member of Parliament for Brant, on
behalf of the Honourable Gary Goodyear, Minister of State (Science and
Technology).

"This project will create new insights into the Cayuga language, protect
thousands of years of local history and knowledge and help promote the
social, cultural and economic development of the Six Nations community,"
said Mr. McColeman. "Our government is committed to supporting science and
technology to improve the quality of life of Canadians and to strengthen our
economy."

The Cayuga language maintenance project is one of 20 large-scale research
projects that is receiving an investment of approximately $1 million over
five years through the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of
Canada's (SSHRC's) Community?University Research Alliances (CURA) grants.
The funding will bring communities and universities together in partnerships
to build knowledge in areas affecting Canadians.

The new research project, led by Dr. Carrie Dyck, will be carried out in
partnership with the Woodland Cultural Centre, an educational and linguistic
centre and museum located on Six Nations territory.

"This grant highlights the excellence of our country's talented researchers
and recognizes the importance of fostering collaboration to keep Canada at
the leading edge of research, development and innovation in the 21st
century," said Dr. Chad Gaffield, SSHRC President.

CURA grants support joint research projects between researchers based at
post-secondary institutions and community-based organizations. The projects
focus on a wide range of issues of importance to Canadians, such as
community food security, employment innovations and the impact of
co-operatives.

Each project enhances students' education and employability by providing
them with opportunities to build their knowledge, expertise and work skills
through hands-on research and related experience.

For the full list of CURA grants, visit the SSHRC website (www.sshrc.ca).

For more information, please contact
Gary Toft
Director of Communications
Office of the Honourable Gary Goodyear
Minister of State (Science and Technology)
613-943-7599
or
Trevor Lynn
Manager, Communications
613-992-7302
613-302-9879 (cell)
Trevor.Lynn at sshrc-crsh.gc.ca
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From bischoff.st at GMAIL.COM  Fri Jul 16 20:46:57 2010
From: bischoff.st at GMAIL.COM (s.t. bischoff)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:46:57 -0400
Subject: flip video: documentation
Message-ID: <FRI.16.JUL.2010.164657.0400.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP
video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for
documentation work.

Cheers,
Shannon
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sun Jul 18 16:53:03 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:53:03 -0700
Subject: San Manuel Band of Mission Indians making television history with
 KVCR (fwd link)
Message-ID: <SUN.18.JUL.2010.095303.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

San Manuel Band of Mission Indians making television history with KVCR

DEBRA GRUSZECKI ? THE DESERT SUN ? JULY 18, 2010
USA

The Highland-based San Manuel Band of Mission Indians has made a $6 million
donation to launch what promises to be the nation's first 24-hour American
Indian television channel.

The channel will be on KVCR-TV, which broadcasts to hundreds of thousands of
viewers across the desert and L.A. markets.

Station president Larry Ciecalone said he is pumped about the one-of-a-kind
channel that will tell the stories of American Indians and Alaskan natives.

Expect it to air in the spring of 2011.

Access full article below:
http://www.mydesert.com/article/20100718/NEWS06/7170355/Tribe-making-television-history
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From djh514 at YORK.AC.UK  Sun Jul 18 16:58:24 2010
From: djh514 at YORK.AC.UK (Damien Hall)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:58:24 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Carmarthen, Wales,
 13-15 Sept. 2010 - Reversing Language Shift - Registration open
Message-ID: <SUN.18.JUL.2010.175824.0100.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Apologies for cross-postings!

Damien

-- 
Damien Hall

University of York
Department of Language and Linguistic Science
Heslington
YORK
YO10 5DD
UK

Tel. (office) +44 (0)1904 432665
     (mobile) +44 (0)771 853 5634
Fax  +44 (0)1904 432673

http://www.york.ac.uk/res/aiseb

http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/lang/people/pages/hall.htm

DISCLAIMER: http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:         Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:54:18 +0100
From: Nicholas Ostler <nicholas at OSTLER.NET>
Subject: FEL XIV: Carmarthen 13-15 Sept. 2010 - Reversing Language Shift - Registration open
To: ENDANGERED-LANGUAGES-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG

Foundation for Endangered Languages
Fourteenth Annual Conference in association with
University of Wales: Trinity Saint David

Reversing Language Shift: How to Re-awaken a Language Tradition

University of Wales: Trinity Saint David, Carmarthen, Wales
13-15 September, 2010

Registration for our next conference is now open at

www.ogmios.org/conferences/2010/index.htm

along with the programme and much else.

If you would like to join us, please register as soon as possible, and 
at any rate by 16 August.

I look forward to meeting many of you in Carmarthen.

Yours ever

-- Nicholas Ostler
nicholas at ostler.net
+44 (0)1225-852865, (0)7720-889319
Chairman: Foundation for Endangered Languages
www.ogmios.org

The Foundation for Endangered Languages is a non-profit membership 
organisation, registered as Charity 1070616 in England and Wales, 
founded in 1996. Its objective is to support, enable and assist the 
documentation, protection and promotion of endangered languages all over 
the world. The Foundation awards small grants for projects. It also 
publishes a newsletter, OGMIOS. It has hosted a conference every years 
since 1996, most recently in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain (2004), 
Stellenbosch, South Africa (2005), Mysore, India (2006), Kuala Lumpur, 
Malaysia, (2007), Ljouwert/Leeuwarden, Netherlands (2008) and 
Khorugh/Khorog, Tajikistan (2009). The FEL conferences bring together 
experts, scholars and enthusiasts from all over the world. The 
Proceedings of FEL conferences are available as published volumes.


From neskiem at GMAIL.COM  Mon Jul 19 17:39:20 2010
From: neskiem at GMAIL.COM (Neskie Manuel)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:39:20 -0700
Subject: flip video: documentation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1rEdSFfceMHSezSlZkK0id60LROQKbThd98s0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.19.JUL.2010.103920.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

A friend bought one, and it produced pretty good video.  The audio sounds
good as well.  What I'm not sure about is the removable media, because X
hours of use the media will fail, so it's best if you can replace it using
SD cards, but I don't know.  I think they produce mpg videos.  I forget
though.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, s.t. bischoff <bischoff.st at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for documentation work.
>
> Cheers,
> Shannon
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 19 18:50:40 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:50:40 -0700
Subject: flip video: documentation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilKZ02AAFV5UF95HrHe1TpMvo3pi0ocGnoOhVyH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MON.19.JUL.2010.115040.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

We had a demo of the Flip camera at this year's InField 2010 (
http://logos.uoregon.edu/infield2010/workshops/video-rec-editing-1/index.php)
video workshop.  The main advantage of the Flip camera is its ease of use,
mobility, price, and size.  Neskie is right in that it does record fairly
good video, that is of the HD kind or MPEG-4 format.  Anticipate 2-4 GB of
use/storage.  As with any video recording, audio is a key issue.  This is
especially so with the Flip camera and the audio-conscious
documentarian/community language advocate.  Audio is average (whatever that
might be to your ear!).  An alternative, quality mic source may be desirable
here if you are seriously considering using the Flip camera.  Nonetheless, I
could see where this might be an attractive advantage for many folks since
it is so affordable.  Besides, it might be a bit boring to try and use it
like a conventional video camera.  But are we boring people?  hehe, I didn't
think so.

Phil




On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Neskie Manuel <neskiem at gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend bought one, and it produced pretty good video.  The audio sounds
> good as well.  What I'm not sure about is the removable media, because X
> hours of use the media will fail, so it's best if you can replace it using
> SD cards, but I don't know.  I think they produce mpg videos.  I forget
> though.
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, s.t. bischoff <bischoff.st at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experimented with FLIP video<http://www.theflip.com/en-us/?gclid=CI-O9vv08KICFQQMDQod7y0QlQ>for documentation work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Shannon
>>
>
>
>
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Tue Jul 20 16:15:08 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:15:08 -0700
Subject: Native voices heard at national language summit (fwd link)
Message-ID: <TUE.20.JUL.2010.091508.0700.ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>

Native voices heard at national language summit

By Rob Capriccioso
Story Published: Jul 20, 2010

WASHINGTON ? Native languages are alive and well, and they need the federal
government to help their voices flourish.

That was the message of a group of Indian educators who gathered for the
National Native Language Revitalization Summit on Capitol Hill July 13 ? 14
to make legislators and administrators aware of their concerns and desire
for support.

Meetings with Congress members and Obama administration officials took place
throughout, and some federal officials took part in the event, promising to
help strengthen Native languages.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul 21 18:08:17 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:08:17 -0700
Subject: National Anthropological Archives Receives Grant from President's
 Committee on the Arts and Humanities (fwd link)
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Wednesday, July 21, 2010

National Anthropological Archives Receives Grant from President's Committee
on the Arts and Humanities

USA

WASHINGTON, DC.- The Smithsonian?s National Anthropological Archives has
received a $323,000 ?Save America?s Treasures? grant from the President?s
Committee on the Arts and the Humanities. The grant will ensure long-term
preservation and better access to the Archives? endangered-languages
manuscripts.

The National Anthropological Archives is the nation?s principal repository
of original documentation for spoken, endangered and extinct Native American
languages. Approximately 250 American Indian languages are represented in
the collection. For many of these languages documentation exists nowhere
else.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:18:10 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0700
Subject: Language immersion required for Aboriginal students (fwd link)
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Language immersion required for Aboriginal students

Lakehead University?s Native Language Instructors? Program students were
impressed with the full-time Ojibwe immersion classes being held at an
elementary school in Michigan.

by: Rick Garrick - Wawatay News
July 22, 2010: Volume 37 #15, Page A7
USA

?It?s like jumping in the water; when you?re in the water you get totally
soaked with the water,? said Angus Chapman, a first-year NLIP student from
Kitchenuhmaykoosib Inninuwug who has worked with Wasaya Airways and Wawatay
Native Communications Society. ?If you?re in the language speaking all day,
it soaks in much more than just an hour or half-hour a day. It starts to
build inside you as well. We?re like empty guitar cases because we don?t
really know who we are. If we develop our language much better, get to know
it, we will begin to feel more hope.?

Chapman and about 110 other NLIP students and staff learned about the
history and successes and challenges faced by the Waadookodaading Ojibwe
Language Immersion Charter School during a July 9 presentation by
Waadookodaading teachers Lisa LaRonge and Keller Paap at the Bora Laskin
Auditorium.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:20:18 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:20:18 -0700
Subject: Inupiaq word of the day spoken on Facebook (fwd link)
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Inupiaq word of the day spoken on Facebook

Published on July 22nd, 2010
By VICTORIA BARBER

When Anniagruk Mary Sage learns Inupiaq, she wants to share it with friends.
To reach a lot of her friends quickly, she's using Facebook.

It's been almost a year since Sage launched the Facebook page Inupiaq Word
of the Day, and since then it's reached over 2,000 people with updates on
how to say everything from "Suvat?" (what's up?) to Suutuqtuna tuttumik ("I
am eating caribou soup").

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:28:51 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:28:51 -0700
Subject: Thoughts On Indigenous Language Immersion (fwd blog link)
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Thoughts On Indigenous Language Immersion

Author(s):Maggie Severns
Published:  July 22, 2010
Issues:  Early Education Reading
USA

A recent article in Ed Week, ?NCLB Seen Impeding Indigenous-Language
Preservation,? highlights an issue that flies under the radar in education
circles: How does indigenous and tribal education fit into federal policy?

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 22 22:37:56 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:37:56 -0700
Subject: Indigenous language institute looking at high-tech solutions to
 an age-old challenge (fwd link)
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 Indigenous language institute looking at high-tech solutions to an age-old
challenge

By Ileiren Poon July 22, 2010, Canada


Phillip Cash Cash was in Edmonton to share his research and insights into
the use of multimedia in language learning and preservation
(Edmonton) The herculean task of preserving and teaching endangered
Aboriginal languages in Canada is getting a high-tech boost.

Phillip Cash Cash, a PhD candidate in the Anthropology and Linguistics
program at the University of Arizona, was in Edmonton to share his research
and insights into the use of multimedia with students in the University of
Alberta?s Canadian Indigenous Languages and Literacy Development Institute
(CILLDI).

?Throughout the communities that I work with, people are using video
cameras, partially because of the reduction in price and the new
technologies. This widely available technology means there are going to be
new uses, new opportunities,? said Cash Cash, a Nez Perc? from the Cayuse
Nation in Oregon. ?Multimedia is really a tool that people can use to enable
their ability to capture language in its many facets. It?s a fairly new tool
in our kit to help preserve our languages.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 23 17:34:36 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:34:36 -0700
Subject: Native names becoming more widespread as first nations work to
 keep their culture alive (fwd link)
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Native names becoming more widespread as first nations work to keep their
culture alive

BY KIM PEMBERTON, VANCOUVER SUN JULY 23, 2010
Canada

Haida Gwaii, the Salish Sea and a recent attempt to give Stanley Park a
native name are all signs of a larger movement to help keep first nations
languages and culture alive.

While the Haida Gwaii and Salish Sea namings were high-profile and the
Stanley Park proposal for a native co-name was not implemented, there has
been little to no fanfare over the renaming of dozens of other B.C. places,
land areas and even park trails.

"It's wonderful to see our languages and names being used," said Tracey
Herbert, executive director of the First Peoples' Heritage, Language and
Culture Council. "We are the first people of the land. It gives our heritage
value. It's like we are becoming part of the culture."

The organization, which assists first nations in their efforts to revitalize
their languages and cultures, is funding about 200 projects this year, some
of which include the naming or renaming of geographic areas and places.



Read more:
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Native+names+becoming+more+widespread+first+nations+work+keep+their+culture+alive/3312799/story.html#ixzz0uWmvBJ52
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Sat Jul 24 04:05:22 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:05:22 -0700
Subject: Mendota tribe struggles to keep language, culture alive (fwd link)
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Mendota tribe struggles to keep language, culture alive

It's believed that fewer than 10 Minnesotans speak fluent Dakota. The
Mendota Dakota want to change that.

By COREY MITCHELL, Star Tribune
Last update: July 23, 2010 - 8:18 PM
USA

The two-story house in dot-on-the-map Mendota (population: 197) is more
ragged than rustic.

White paint is peeling off doors. A side porch has collapsed. On the front
lawn, weeds have won the turf war against grass.

But on Wednesday nights, supporters of the Mendota Mdewakanton Dakota
Community try to forget they have trouble making rent on their ramshackle
community center. There is important work to do here along Hwy. 13: There's
a language and culture to preserve.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 26 04:32:52 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:32:52 -0700
Subject: Eyak language finds new speaker from unlikely upbringing (fwd
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Eyak language finds new speaker from unlikely upbringing

by Rhonda McBride
Sunday, July 25, 2010
USA

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- A celebration was held at the Alaska Native Heritage
Center this weekend to honor a young French man who is learning to speak
Eyak, a language that is hovering near extinction. Eyak was once spoken by
people who lived in the Cordova area.

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From Rrlapier at AOL.COM  Mon Jul 26 13:18:27 2010
From: Rrlapier at AOL.COM (Rrlapier at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:18:27 EDT
Subject: Summer History Conference
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NEWS RELEASE July 26, 2010
Piegan Institute, P.O. Box 909,  Browning, Montana, 59417
 

Imitaiks: When the Spirit Moved with Us
 
Imitaiks or dogs played an important role in Blackfeet society for  
generations. Before the horse they assisted the Blackfeet in a wide variety of  
ways. Dogs helped with protection of the community from other humans and  
animals. They helped haul household objects when the community was on the move.  
They helped with gathering food and wood. They helped with hunting. Some  
scholars argue that they were probably used as a trade item between 
communities  and as a sign of wealth before the horse. 
 
The date of when dogs first became domesticated is open to debate. However, 
 most scholars now agree that dogs were probably domesticated in the Middle 
East  about 15,000 years ago. They argue that dogs were probably 
domesticated before  other useful animals, such as cows and horses. They also argue 
that within a  short period of time dogs and humans made their way to North 
American and the  Northern Great Plains. 
 
Imitaiks also play an important role in Blackfeet mythology and history.  
Because of their role in mythology and their role in daily life they were 
valued  by the community. Over time though, their value has diminished and they 
are  increasingly treated with less esteem than in previous times. 
 
Imitaiks is a one-day conference sponsored by the Piegan Institute which  
will explore and debate the evolution and role of dogs in Blackfeet history. 
The  conference is free and open to the public and will be held on Friday, 
August 20,  2010 at the Cuts Wood School  from 10am to 4pm. Presenters will 
include:  tribal elder Martin Eagle Child (Kainai)  and Professor Eldon 
Yellow Horn  (North Pikuni) from Simon Fraser University.
 
Piegan Institute is a private non-profit organization on the Blackfeet  
reservation which sponsors programs dedicated to researching, promoting and  
preserving the Blackfeet language.  
 
For more information on the conference or directions to Cuts Wood School  
please call Rosalyn LaPier at 406-338-3518 or _rrlapier at pieganinstitute.org_ 
(mailto:rrlapier at pieganinstitute.org) .  
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Mon Jul 26 23:20:59 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:20:59 -0700
Subject: Language Endangerment: Documentation, Pedagogy,
 and Revitalization (fwd)
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*

Language Endangerment: Documentation, Pedagogy, and Revitalization
Friday, 25 March 2011
Location: University of Cambridge
http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/events/1332/

Call for Papers Deadline: abstracts due 26 November, 2010.
On-line Registration opens 1 January 2011.

Conveners

Dr Mari Jones<http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/french/staff/mcj11/jonesm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/french/staff/mcj11/&h=240&w=240&sz=20&tbnid=hXizy3ZXNK11SM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmari%2Bjones&usg=__O4kIaGUCIFPL2KOsRbZtr_A6RH8=&sa=X&ei=EvURTLWVB5L-0gSEqJjxAg&ved=0CDQQ9QEwBg>
(Department
of French/Peterhouse, University of Cambridge)
Dr Sarah Ogilvie
<http://www.lucy-cav.cam.ac.uk/pages/the-college/people/sarah-ogilvie.php>(Department
of Linguistics/Lucy Cavendish College, University of Cambridge)


Summary

The First Cambridge International Conference on Language Endangerment will
focus on language documentation, pedagogy, and revitalization.

The following speakers have agreed to give plenary sessions at the
conference:

Professor Peter Austin <http://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff30592.php> (SOAS,
University of London, UK)
Language Revitalization and Pedagogy: a case from eastern Australia
Professor David K. Harrison
<http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/dharris2/>(Living
Tongues Institute for Endangered Languages, Oregon, USA)
Language Extinction: Local and Global Perspectives

Professor Dr Nikolaus
Himmelmann<http://www.uni-muenster.de/Sprachwiss/Mitarbeiter/Dozenten/Himmelmann/index.html>
(University
of M?nster, Germany)

On Language Documentation


Call for Papers

This conference will bring together academics, students, and members of
indigenous communities from around the world to discuss current theories,
methodologies, and practices of language documentation, pedagogy,
revitalization.

Most of the world's languages have diminishing numbers of speakers and are
on the brink of falling silent. Currently around the globe, scholars are
collaborating with members of indigenous communities to document and
describe these endangered languages and cultures. Mindful that their work
will be used by future speech communities to learn, teach, and revitalize
their languages, scholars face new challenges in the way they gather
materials and in the way they present their findings. This conference will
discuss current efforts to record, collect, and archive endangered languages
in writing, sound, and video that will support future language learners and
speakers.

Documentation is of critical and immediate importance, and is often
considered one of the main tasks of the field linguist. Future
revitalization efforts may succeed or fail on the basis of the quality and
range of material gathered, and yet the process may be rapid and dependent
on conscious decisions by linguists and language workers who may
be analyzing the form of a language for the first time, and codifying it in
dictionaries and grammars. Written documentation of course not only aids the
process of standardization but also serves important needs and functions
within a community in support of language maintenance such as providing the
basis for pedagogical materials in schools and helping to create a
community's sense of identity.  However, indigenous communities and scholars
of endangered languages are beginning to realise that the rapid and often
artificial nature of this process can have negative effects - politically,
linguistically, and culturally - which feed into issues relating to
education and, ultimately, language revitalization.

In addition to the opportunity of sharing experiences with a network of
linguists, it is hoped that participants will leave the conference with a
new understanding of the topic, innovative ideas for documentation and
pedagogy within their own linguistic contexts, and a renewed vigour to
implement what they have learnt in their own language situations.


Submission Guidelines

We welcome abstracts (200 words maximum) for papers (20 minute paper + 10
minute discussion) that include, among other topics, discussion of
interdisciplinary approaches and innovative techniques for collecting raw
material, presenting metadata, and archiving language materials; teaching
endangered languages to both children and adults; and revitalizing language
use in homes, schools, and communities.

Abstracts are due by 26 November 2010, and should be sent to:
Dr Mari Jones (mcj11 at cam.ac.uk) and Dr Sarah Ogilvie (svo21 at cam.ac.uk).



Sponsor

The conveners are grateful for the support of  The Centre for Research in
the Arts, Social Sciences and Humanities (CRASSH) at the University of
Cambridge.

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From saxon at UVIC.CA  Tue Jul 27 06:26:21 2010
From: saxon at UVIC.CA (Leslie Saxon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:26:21 -0700
Subject: Government of the Northwest Territories Hosts Aboriginal
 Languages Institute in Collaboration with the University of
 Victoria
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Government of the Northwest Territories (GNWT) Hosts Aboriginal Languages Institute in Collaboration with the University of Victoria

See the press release linked below for more information about the collaboration aimed at supporting language activists from Aboriginal language communities the length and breadth of the Northwest Territories of Canada. The Institute is part of a strategy by the GNWT to promote awareness and action to strengthen the use of the nine official Aboriginal languages of the NWT.

http://www.exec.gov.nt.ca/currentnews/prDetails.asp?varPR_ID=1601
_________________________________
Leslie Saxon
Department of Linguistics
University of Victoria
Victoria, BC     V8W 3P4
(250) 721-7433 (office)
(250) 721-7423 (fax)
http://www.uvic.ca/ling/

On study leave, July-December 2010

Certificate in Aboriginal Language Revitalization
http://www.uvcs.uvic.ca/calr/


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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Tue Jul 27 17:39:54 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:39:54 -0700
Subject: Video: Battle to save languages (fwd link)
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Published: 27/07/2010 07:54
Cambridge, UK

Video: Battle to save languages

Hundreds of languages across the world are dying out. Valentina Jovanovski
talks to the World Oral Literature Project about the desperate race to save
them.

Out of the 6,700 languages spoken by people all over the world, a third are
in danger of extinction.

Preventing this, or at least slowing the process, is the massive challenge
faced by researchers and academics at the World Oral Literature Project,
which was established by Cambridge University in January 2009.

Dr Mark Turin, director of the project and research associate at the Museum
of Anthropology and Archaeology, said the project has attracted much
interest since its inception.

It works with local communities and fieldworkers who are now collecting and
recording texts, myths, songs, legends, proverbs, narratives and other
various literatures that can be used to save a language from vanishing
without record.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Jul 28 22:41:12 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:41:12 -0700
Subject: Hopi Radio & Language Program (fwd)
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fwd msg
~~

Lomatalongva Everyone,

KUYI is streaming worldwide now!
http://www.kuyi.net/listen-online

Richard Alun Davis, Station Manager
KUYI 88.1 FM Hopi Radio

"Your Native American Public Radio Station"

(928) 738-5530 [direct]
(928) 738-5505 [listener line]
(928) 738-5501 [fax]

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Keams Canyon, AZ
86034-1500

http://www.kuyi.net/index.html

~~

Hopi Language Program

A partnership with The Hopi Foundation allows KUYI to fufill it's mission of
keeping the Hopi language alive and vital.  With 30% of all American Indian
languages threatened with extinction by 2020 we at Hopi Radio take a strong
stand with our Native language speakers and create programming in and
dedicated to the Hopi language.  Listen to the podcasts below (featuring
Farm Talk, Winter Storytelling, A Day In Hopi monthly segments as well as
time and date recordings).

http://www.kuyi.net/education/hopi-language-program
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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Thu Jul 29 19:32:57 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:32:57 -0700
Subject: Maori in Australia losing language (fwd link)
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Maori in Australia losing language

July 29, 2010 - 4:04PM
NZPA
Australia

The large number of Maori living in Australia face losing their native
language in part because they assimilate so easily, according to findings by
a Victoria University researcher.

One in six Maori live in Australia, with more than 10,000 speakers of te reo
Maori crossing the Tasman between 1986 and 2006, said Paul Hamer, senior
associate of Victoria University's Institute of Policy Studies.

Maori fit easily into Australian workplaces and communities, and have a high
intermarriage rate, meaning they were perhaps more in danger of losing their
language than other immigrant groups, Mr Hamer said.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:30:13 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:30:13 -0700
Subject: Elder seeks to preserve Mi'kmaq culture (fwd link)
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Elder seeks to preserve Mi'kmaq culture

Published Friday July 30th, 2010
Canada

Gilbert Sewell spends one month a year teaching students Mi'kmaq language
and traditions

by jacques gallant
Times & transcript staff

FORT FOLLY FIRST NATION - They may be generally called "Mi'kmaq," but
Pabineau First Nation elder Gilbert Sewell is quick to indicate that his
people should be properly known as "Nnu," the spelling and pronunciation of
which all depend on the region you're in.

"When you are asked who you are, are you going to say Mi'kmaq?' No that's
what the settlers call us, it means ally.' Are you going to say Indian?' No,
that's what the government calls us," Sewell explained to his class of half
a dozen young people eager to learn their native language and culture, which
has slowly evaporated through the generations.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:32:22 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:32:22 -0700
Subject: Keeping Alutiiq culture alive (fwd link)
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Keeping Alutiiq culture alive

Article published on Thursday, July 29th, 2010
By SAM FRIEDMAN
Mirror Writer
USA

It does not get more hands-on than the Traditional Harvesting Camp at Dig
Afognak.

During the five-day session last weekend on the east side of Afognak Island,
campers hunted octopus, helped gut a harbor seal and gathered beach greens.
They helped to gillnet salmon and also to prepare pickled salmon and
seviche.

Campers are between 9 and 14 years old, and adults or older teens take on
the most dangerous jobs like shooting the seal, filleting the fish and
preparing and sanitizing the cans for pickled salmon. But harvesting camp is
for kids who are comfortable getting their hands bloody. Fortunately, this
group was well up to it.

On a trip to the Litnik River weir Saturday, the campers pushed forward for
the privilege of holding a still-beating nickel-sized heart during a
dissection. They had no trouble identifying sex and species of the salmon
waiting to pass through he weir.

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From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:34:22 -0700
Subject: UA Researchers Help Preserve Scottish Gaelic (fwd link)
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UA Researchers Help Preserve Scottish Gaelic

Andrew Carnie, a UA linguistics professor, is leading a team of researchers
on a project to analyze and document the use of Scottish Gaelic. The team
hopes their work will help Scottish and Scottish-American communities
working to preserve the language.

By La Monica Everett-Haynes, University Communications     July 29, 2010
USA

Scottish Gaelic, an endangered language, is predicted to fall out of use
within the century as a consequence of native speakers turning to English
instead.

And those concerned with preserving and advancing the use of Scottish Gaelic
face another dilemma ? the lack of measures accurately stating what
constitutes normative Gaelic speech.

At the University of Arizona, Andrew Carnie is leading a team in an analysis
of Scottish Gaelic and its use among native speakers.

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From cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Jul 30 17:36:54 2010
From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:36:54 -0700
Subject: Early learning will include Hul'qumi'num (fwd link)
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Early learning will include Hul'qumi'num

BY LEXI BAINAS, THE CITIZEN JULY 30, 2010
Canada

Khowhemun Elementary School and Parkside Academy Childcare Society have been
awarded a $23,460 grant to integrate Hul'qumi'num language and culture into
early learning programs at the school on Cliffs Road in Duncan.

The announcement of the Vancouver Foundation grant came from the Cowichan
Valley School District June 29.

The money will support students in preschool and full-day Kindergarten
classrooms at the school.

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From: cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (Phillip E Cash Cash)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:40:50 -0700
Subject: Native Youth, Clinging to Their Culture (fwd link)
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Native Youth, Clinging to Their Culture
'At potlatches they speak in our language. I've no idea what's going on.'
Fifth in a reader-funded series.

By Jacqueline Windh, Today, TheTyee.ca
Canada

When I questioned native teens about their language and culture, it didn't
matter whether they hailed from the remote villages or the small towns or
the big city. Their tone was, with few exceptions, the same: wistful.

"At potlatches they speak in our language," says Alanda Atleo, 20, of
Tofino. "I'd like to know what they're saying. I don't understand, though.
I've no idea what's going on."

Alanda says she"s happy that she at least knows a few words. "I've tried to
learn, asked around. But I don't get much."

According to 2006 Census data, only 18 per cent of Aboriginal children who
live in B.C. and attend elementary or high school had an Aboriginal teacher
or teacher's aide. And only seven per cent of the children had a teacher or
aide who actually taught in an Aboriginal language.


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