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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Hi, to Rudy . . . long
time no hear. I was quoting you on Diné octagon vs. triangle yesterday. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Hi, Daniel. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>The Smiths: (there are
two of them, you know </span></font><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#993366'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#993366'> ). I have read Decolonizing Methodologies . . . although
several years ago. The overarching theme is that Indigenous people have been
abused muchly and long by people who come in, take their knowledge (in biology,
botany, and healing as well as language), run off with it, publish or develop a
lucrative drug, and never return much or anything to the people who shared
their knowledge with them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>The underlying
understanding, although I don’t recall that Smith spends too much time on
this, is that the Indigenous people are considered “less than”, not
quite human following the hierarchy of man that was socially devised by <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:City>’s cousin
Francis Galton. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:City>
did not devise “survival of the fittest,” Spencer did. And it was
Galton who mapped <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Darwin</st1:place></st1:City>’s
genetic component to Spencer’s idea. Galton coined the term “eugenics,”
and the very first school of thought/discipline for which <st1:country-region
w:st="on">America</st1:country-region> became academically famous was the <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Eugenics</st1:PlaceName>
at Harvard, headed by Louis Agassiz, who came to Harvard from <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Greece</st1:place></st1:country-region>. <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dalton</st1:place></st1:City> envisioned “the
development of a strong `caste sense' among the naturally gifted members of
each social class” (</span></font><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/pe15socl.html)</span></font><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#993366'>. This idea is an extension and “refinement,”
if you can call it that, from Malthus (whom I haven’t read, as opposed to
these other people here).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Smith recommends some
best practices for working with Indigenous People. Here in America, there is a
requirement in all NSF and NIH funded research that if any profit is made as a
result of the work, it has to be shared with the community who participated in
the development and exchange of knowledge. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Smith also says that
the term “research” is anathema to Indigenous communities, because
of the abuses. This is really something to think about, because people get all “oh
I want to do research in your community,” thinking about themselves and their
projected efforts in the context of how research is viewed (with awe and
respect) in the academic community. And the Indigenous People get all
squinty-eyed and think, Oh you do, do you! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>So you should
reacquire the book. I can recommend Amazon.com.uk. Check out Devon Mihesuah,
and Sandy Grande. I think both of these people, especially Grande, are very far
from you field, but definitely worth reading to see what the abuses of
Indigenous people in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>
have produced. The ruling class tried to make Native People go away: “Kill
the Indian to save the Man” was a popular slogan in the 1800’s. Of
course, the reason this movement started was in opposition to a plan the U.S.
Government had to annihilate all the Indians, through disease, starvation, and
plain, outright slaughter. ([Non-Indigenous] People like me who are Jewish, and
people like me who are Irish, we know a lot about this kind of technique.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>You could check out
Colonizer’s View of the World, too. Forgot who wrote it. If you’re interested,
I can go check my copy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#993366'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#993366'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Mia<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous
Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Cunliffe D J (Comp)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 12, 2006
2:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT]
"In", "for", or "with"? (was Re: [ILAT] LSA 2006)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arriving at this from a
different (computing) perspective, ”buy-in”, “ownership”
(which I guess are “with”) and ultimately “empowerment”
(which I guess is “without” – without us!) are all important
and highly topical concepts and factors in successful systems. However it is
not always clear how you put these fine principles into practice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I was wondering if anyone
here has read “Decolonizing Methodologies: Research and Indigenous
Peoples” by Linda Tuhiwai Smith? I borrowed it very briefly from another
library and never really had time to read it properly. It looked like there might
be some useful ideas in it, though a lot of the contextualising discussion went
over my head somewhat </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would be interesting in
hearing other people’s opinions or any other recommendations along
similar lines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Be seeing you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daniel.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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