Mia, Jan and all,<br>Just a thought here -- It seems to me that we might not want to distinguish between the uses for revitalization and documentation. Good quality is needed on both fronts since they really play into each other. I think that ease of use is important (for some of us less techie folks), and certainly cost is an issue for many, but getting good archival quality doesn't necessarily mean giving up all the other things Mia referred and,increasingly, those of us who do revitalization work need to be mindful that many of those recordings may end up as the only documentation of the language.
<br>Best,<br>Susan<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/31/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jan Tucker</b> <<a href="mailto:jtucker@starband.net">jtucker@starband.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thank you all for the information you provided
about affordable digital recorders. I'm looking at this one right now.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Yes, I'm using it for language revitalization, and
would like the best possible quality and least degredation. I have about 100 to
spend on the devise and the accessories such as a microphone.
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<h1><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Arial" size="2">Olympus VN-960PC Digital Voice Recorder, with LCD
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<font size="3">Any further comments would be welcome. Here is a link
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=389757&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation#Recording" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=389757&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation#Recording</font></a></div>
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<h1><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Arial" size="2">In recording format they say ADPCM (Adaptive Differential
Pulse code Modulation)(WAV on PC). Can I assume then this is a .wav format
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thank you,</font></div><span class="sg">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Jan</font></div>
</span><div><span class="q"><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Nicholas Thieberger" <</font><a href="mailto:thien@UNIMELB.EDU.AU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">thien@UNIMELB.EDU.AU
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: <</font><a href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</font>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:30 PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [ILAT] Affordable digital recorder
advice</font></div></span></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10920ec69be26ad6_6">
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">> David,<br>> <br>> If it does not record in WAV format then it
is not archival. |If it <br>> records in a compressed form like WMA, mp3, or
others, and then <br>> converts to WAV it means the actual recording has
already lost lots <br>> of the signal. The m-audio microtrack records to WAV
and is around <br>> US$300 and is not too bad, it has some problem with
preamps.<br>> <br>> Nick<br>> <br>> At 11:17 AM -0800 30/1/06, David
Lewis wrote:<br>>>Hi Nicholas,<br>>>I checked out the first website
mentioned and they wrote this as to <br>>>an archival quality format "For
audio, use WAV <br>>><</font><a href="http://emeld.org/school/glossary.html#wav" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://emeld.org/school/glossary.html#wav
</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">> format." <br>>>Coincidentally, I was at Best Buy last night
and looked over their <br>>>selection and chose the lower end of the
higher end devices, the <br>>>WS-100. It is supposed to transfer directly
into Microsoft WMA <br>>>format to the computer. I'm pretty sure I can
then convert it to WAV <br>>>format either with Windows Media player or
ITunes. Any advice here? <br>>>the device cost $100. the next higher
device was $149.00.<br>>>David Lewis<br>>><br>>>Nicholas
Thieberger wrote:<br>>><br>>>>--><br>>>>Just to add
to this thread from an archival perspective. If you are
<br>>>>recording unique things that you want to be available to
<br>>>>generations to come then you need to think about the format of
what <br>>>>you are recording and whether it will endure. Olympus and
other <br>>>>small (and cheap, unfortunately) recorders do not record
in <br>>>>archival formats.<br>>>><br>>>>For a
summary of the issues around longterm storage of recorded
<br>>>>material and endangered languages you could look at
<br>>>><a href="http://emeld.org/school/index.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://emeld.org/school/index.html</a>.<br>>>><br>>>>There
was a discussion of recorders on the RNLD list and if you go <br>>>>to
the archive of the RNLD list, here:
<br>>>><a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?S1=resource-network-linguistic-diversity" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?S1=resource-network-linguistic-diversity
</a>
<br>>>>and search for 'flash' and 'recorder' you will get some useful
info<br>>>><br>>>>A summary item is here: </font><a href="http://linguistlist.org/issues/16/16-2710.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">
http://linguistlist.org/issues/16/16-2710.html</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>><br>>>>All the
best,<br>>>><br>>>>Nick
Thieberger<br>>>><br>>>>At 7:36 AM -0700 30/1/06, Mia Kalish
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>>Jan &
all,<br>>>>><br>>>>>I have been using Olympus digital
recorders for years now. They have 3<br>>>>>quality settings (low,
medium, & high) and 2 recording modes (one for<br>>>>>meetings,
one for one-to-one). The ones I buy are about $99. I recently
got<br>>>>>a Sony refurb unit for $32 at
<a href="http://e-cost.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">e-cost.com</a>.<br>>>>><br>>>>>I didn't read the thread
about recorders, because I'm really happy with<br>>>>>mine, and I
had shared about it
before.<br>>>><br>>>>>Mia<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>--<br>>>><br>>>>Project
Manager<br>>>>PARADISEC<br>>>>Department of Linguistics and
Applied Linguistics<br>>>>University of Melbourne, Vic
3010<br>>>>Australia<br>>>><br>>>><a href="mailto:nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au
</a><br>>>>Ph
61 (0)3 8344
5185<br>>>><br>>>>PARADISEC<br>>>>Pacific And
Regional Archive for Digital Sources in Endangered
Cultures<br>>>><a href="http://paradisec.org.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://paradisec.org.au</a><br>> <br>> <br>> --
<br>> Project Manager<br>> PARADISEC<br>> Department of Linguistics and
Applied Linguistics<br>> University of Melbourne, Vic 3010<br>>
Australia<br>> <br>> </font><a href="mailto:nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au
</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">> Ph 61 (0)3 8344 5185<br>> <br>> PARADISEC<br>> Pacific And
Regional Archive for Digital Sources in Endangered Cultures<br>> </font><a href="http://paradisec.org.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://paradisec.org.au
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</span></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Susan D. Penfield, Ph.D.<br><br>Department of English<br>Affiliate faculty: Department of Linguistics <br>and the Second Language Acquisition and Teaching Program
<br>American Indian Language Development Institute<br>Phone for messages: (520) 621-1836