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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi, Susan, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I didn’t read the whole main thread,
but I thought I was perceiving a recommendation for “recording studio
quality” for archival recording. Bringing people into a sound controlled
studio is very different from working in communities where we create tons and
tons of material for use by the community. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When we were doing this initially 4-5
years ago now, Depree and I created a whole checklist of things we wanted to be
able to do, with a focus of working in the community. For us, the
considerations ranked approximately as follows: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Elder comfort<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Affordable by community members<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>High quality recording<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Convenience<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>High portability<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Battery-powered <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Ease of use, for us & for community members<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our goal was to work with communities to
show them how they could take a major hand in designing and developing their
own resources. As such, many of our considerations incorporated the needs of the
Community in our assessment of recorders. Sophisticated, expensive recorders
wouldn’t be appropriate; special recording rooms and devices would take
us out of the community and would also be difficult to use in places where
people live. We didn’t want to use our hosts’ electricity; for some
people, this is a financial hardship, even for small requirements. We were also
prepared for places where there is no electricity; or where the travel to and
from the locale is challenging, as for example, the path down the <st1:place
w:st="on">Grand Canyon</st1:place> to the Havapai. So we included all these
considerations in our analysis. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mia<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Indigenous Languages and Technology</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Susan Penfield<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2006
7:59 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] Affordable
digital recorder advice</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mia, Jan and all,<br>
Just a thought here -- It seems to me that we might not want to distinguish
between the uses for revitalization and documentation. Good quality is needed
on both fronts since they really play into each other. I think that ease of use
is important (for some of us less techie folks), and certainly cost is an issue
for many, but getting good archival quality doesn't necessarily mean giving up
all the other things Mia referred and,increasingly, those of us who do
revitalization work need to be mindful that many of those recordings may end up
as the only documentation of the language. <br>
Best,<br>
Susan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 1/31/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Jan
Tucker</span></b> <<a href="mailto:jtucker@starband.net">jtucker@starband.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you all for the information you provided about
affordable digital recorders. I'm looking at this one right now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Yes, I'm using it for language revitalization, and would
like the best possible quality and least degredation. I have about 100 to spend
on the devise and the accessories such as a microphone. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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   style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333;font-weight:normal'>Olympus</span></font></b></st1:place><font
  size=2 color="#333333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Arial;color:#333333;font-weight:normal'> VN-960PC Digital Voice Recorder,
  with LCD Display - Built-in 128MB Flash Memory and PC Link</span></font><o:p></o:p></h1>
  <h1><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:normal'> </span></font></b><font
  size=2 color="#333333" face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Verdana;color:#333333;font-weight:normal'> </span></font><font size=3
  color="#333333" face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
  color:#333333;font-weight:normal'>Any further comments would be welcome. Here
  is a link with specifications.</span></font><font size=2 color="#333333"
  face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#333333;
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12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=389757&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation#Recording"
target="_blank"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=389757&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation#Recording</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<h1><b><font size=2 color="#333333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#333333;font-weight:normal'>In recording format they
say ADPCM (Adaptive Differential Pulse code Modulation)(WAV on PC). Can I
assume then this is a .wav format recorder?</span></font></b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></h1>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=q><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>From: "Nicholas Thieberger" <</span></font><a
href="mailto:thien@UNIMELB.EDU.AU" target="_blank"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>thien@UNIMELB.EDU.AU </span></font></a><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>To: <</span></font><a
href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU" target="_blank"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</span></font>
</a><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:30 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Subject: Re: [ILAT] Affordable digital recorder advice</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=e><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> David,</span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> If it does not record in WAV format then it is not archival.
|If it </span><br>
<span class=e>> records in a compressed form like WMA, mp3, or others, and
then </span><br>
<span class=e>> converts to WAV it means the actual recording has already
lost lots </span><br>
<span class=e>> of the signal. The m-audio microtrack records to WAV and is
around </span><br>
<span class=e>> US$300 and is not too bad, it has some problem with preamps.</span><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> Nick</span><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> At 11:17 AM -0800 30/1/06, David Lewis wrote:</span><br>
<span class=e>>>Hi Nicholas,</span><br>
<span class=e>>>I checked out the first website mentioned and they wrote
this as to </span><br>
<span class=e>>>an archival quality format "For audio, use WAV </span><br>
<span class=e>>><</span></span></font><span class=e><a
href="http://emeld.org/school/glossary.html#wav" target="_blank"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://emeld.org/school/glossary.html#wav
</span></font></a></span><span class=e><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> format." </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<span class=e>>>Coincidentally, I was at Best Buy last night and looked
over their </span><br>
<span class=e>>>selection and chose the lower end of the higher end
devices, the </span><br>
<span class=e>>>WS-100. It is supposed to transfer directly into
Microsoft WMA </span><br>
<span class=e>>>format to the computer. I'm pretty sure I can then
convert it to WAV </span><br>
<span class=e>>>format either with Windows Media player or ITunes. Any
advice here? </span><br>
<span class=e>>>the device cost $100. the next higher device was $149.00.</span><br>
<span class=e>>>David Lewis</span><br>
<span class=e>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>Nicholas Thieberger wrote:</span><br>
<span class=e>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>--></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Just to add to this thread from an archival
perspective. If you are </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>recording unique things that you want to be available
to </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>generations to come then you need to think about the
format of what </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>you are recording and whether it will endure. <st1:place
w:st="on">Olympus</st1:place> and other </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>small (and cheap, unfortunately) recorders do not
record in </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>archival formats.</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>For a summary of the issues around longterm storage
of recorded </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>material and endangered languages you could look at </span><br>
<span class=e>>>><a href="http://emeld.org/school/index.html"
target="_blank">http://emeld.org/school/index.html</a>.</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>There was a discussion of recorders on the RNLD list
and if you go </span><br>
<span class=e>>>>to the archive of the RNLD list, here: </span><br>
<span class=e>>>><a
href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?S1=resource-network-linguistic-diversity"
target="_blank">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?S1=resource-network-linguistic-diversity
</a></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>and search for 'flash' and 'recorder' you will get
some useful info</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>A summary item is here: </span></span></font><span
class=e><a href="http://linguistlist.org/issues/16/16-2710.html" target="_blank"><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://linguistlist.org/issues/16/16-2710.html</span></font></a></span><br>
<span class=e><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>>>></span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<span class=e>>>>All the best,</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Nick Thieberger</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>At 7:36 AM -0700 30/1/06, Mia Kalish wrote:</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>Jan & all,</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>I have been using <st1:place w:st="on">Olympus</st1:place>
digital recorders for years now. They have 3</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>quality settings (low, medium, & high) and 2
recording modes (one for</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>meetings, one for one-to-one). The ones I buy are
about $99. I recently got</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>a Sony refurb unit for $32 at <a
href="http://e-cost.com" target="_blank">e-cost.com</a>.</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>I didn't read the thread about recorders, because
I'm really happy with</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>mine, and I had shared about it before.</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>>Mia</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>--</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Project Manager</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>PARADISEC</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Department of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics</span><br>
<span class=e>>>><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>
 of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, Vic 3010</span><br>
<span class=e>>>><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region></span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>><a href="mailto:nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au"
target="_blank">nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au </a></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Ph 61 (0)3 8344 5185</span><br>
<span class=e>>>></span><br>
<span class=e>>>>PARADISEC</span><br>
<span class=e>>>>Pacific And Regional Archive for Digital Sources in
Endangered Cultures</span><br>
<span class=e>>>><a href="http://paradisec.org.au" target="_blank">http://paradisec.org.au</a></span><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> -- </span><br>
<span class=e>> Project Manager</span><br>
<span class=e>> PARADISEC</span><br>
<span class=e>> Department of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics</span><br>
<span class=e>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>
 of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, Vic 3010</span><br>
<span class=e>> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region></span><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> </span></span></font><span class=e><a
href="mailto:nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au" target="_blank"><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au
</span></font></a></span><br>
<span class=e><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>> Ph 61 (0)3 8344 5185</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<span class=e>> </span><br>
<span class=e>> PARADISEC</span><br>
<span class=e>> Pacific And Regional Archive for Digital Sources in
Endangered Cultures</span><br>
<span class=e>> </span></span></font><span class=e><a
href="http://paradisec.org.au" target="_blank"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://paradisec.org.au </span></font></a></span><br>
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