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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Okay by me, MJ. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Indigenous Languages and Technology</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>MJ Hardman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 02, 2006
6:55 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] NATIONAL:
National Indigenous Languages Survey Report 2005</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I am teaching a course on language
and violence, which, of course, includes a lot of looking at naming. Mia,
Greg and Daniel, may I share this with my class?<br>
<br>
MJ<br>
<br>
On 02/02/2006 9:46 AM, "Mia Kalish" <MiaKalish@LEARNINGFORPEOPLE.US>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>We
might suggest First Nations, which also has about it the recognition that the
people speaking the language where the first to occupy a particular locale, and
that the dominant language is one of colonization. <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>We have to be careful about minoritizing
the languages in the names we choose for them (“lesser-used,
disadvantaged”, as Daniel suggested) because this lowers their prestige
in the eyes of people, both who use the languages and those who control the
funding for documentation and revitalization efforts. <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>I don’t think anyone is saying
that the languages of the people who were on this continent first are
“part of our national heritage”. Part of our problem here has been
the establishment of the belief that the First Nations now exist only in the
Smithsonian. Reports still come in about people who are surprised to find out
that there still are “real, live American Indians”. <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>I see the issue as one of equity. We
should speak the truth, which is NOT that the country was discovered by
Columbus who was the first person to see this unoccupied land, but that
millions of people lived here, had for millennia, and that people from England,
France and Spain came here, killed as many as they could, destroyed the buffalo
which had supplied food, clothing and shelter, and spread disease by handing
out blankets infected with smallpox. (The Army did this deliberately, and
documents still exist that document both the intent and the action). <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>So the languages are American Indian
Heritage Languages, not U.S. Heritage Languages. American Indian People are
independent nations, although because of the treaties, they have a complex
connection with the U.S. Government. Languages are just the tip of the iceberg
of a long history of Indian Agents stealing food and supplies, becoming rich in
the process while the Indians died of cold and starvation. It is a long
educational history of attempts to eradicate American Indian language, culture
and history, replacing it with English and European ways of thinking. <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>From what we see on this list, the story
here is not very different from the stories in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region>,
in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>, in <st1:country-region
w:st="on">New Zealand</st1:country-region>, in the <st1:place w:st="on">Soviet
Union</st1:place>, in short, anywhere where Indigenous people lived on land
that had resources someone else wanted for themselves. <br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Mia<br>
<br>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Indigenous Languages and Technology</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Cunliffe D J (Comp)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 02, 2006
2:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] NATIONAL:
National Indigenous Languages Survey Report 2005 (fwd)<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi All,<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Greg Dickson wrote: </span></font><font
face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'>is it just me or does the word
'heritage' make it sound like these languages are something to do with the past
and therefore not so relevant in 2006. Another sign our government is not
taking them seriously and waiting until they just 'go away'? <br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I must admit that I have some issues with
“heritage” too – not so much in the “language x is part
of our national heritage” context, but certainly in the “x is a
heritage language” context. I tend to view “heritage
language” as an American term – though I stand to be corrected on
that.<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course this is all well and good, so long as
you can think of a more appropriate term, which is particularly problematic
when you try to come up with umbrella terms – “regional or minority
languages” anyone? How about ‘minority’,
‘lesser-used’, ‘disadvantaged', ‘threatened’,
‘endangered’, ‘indigenous’, ‘heritage’,
‘local', ‘non-state’…<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course all of these have different connotations
and precise definitions not easy – presumably when I am in <st1:country-region
w:st="on">England</st1:country-region> speaking English I am speaking an
indigenous language, when I am speaking English in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wales</st1:place></st1:country-region>…?<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Be seeing you.<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daniel.<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'><br>
<br>
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