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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Dear MJ, Don &
Everyone else <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Yolanda is still
working on finishing, but I can probably share the general directions. . . more
when she has finalized. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Two things of
significance seem to be emerging. The first is pretty much a no-brainer: The
immigrant Mexican parents don’t want their children to be like them
(although we don’t have details on precisely what that means), and they
think that if the children speak English, they won’t be perceived as
[whatever the parents are]. This isn’t really earth shaking: My father
had this in mind when he wanted me to forego the Eastern European and Gaelic
languages of my ancestors and forebears, and speak only English. To his 6<sup>th</sup>
grade educated mind, this was the way to “be American” and that was
important enough to him to withstand that fact that his 4 year old daughter
(me) refused to talk to him for months. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>The 2<sup>nd</sup>
emergent theme is much more interesting. The parents see educacion as manners,
deportment, values, and carriage or bearing. They do not distinguish an
academic education related to disciplinary content. To them, what their
children are learning seems to be undifferentiated. All they see is that the
children have all these opportunities to learn English. So my friend originally
thought that the reason parents were moving their children to English
immersion, where overall they seem to be doing less well, because of the
information they were getting from their social groups and connections. It is
seeming to turn out to be an issue of information, but instead one related to
what an academic education is as opposed to their cultural understanding of
educacion. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Is this an interesting
treat or what? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Tell me your thoughts.
We haven’t had a really good discussion in a while. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>In anticipation, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'>Mia <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous
Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Don Osborn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 24, 2007
9:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] My Bad March
17-19 2008</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Hi Mia, I'd be
interested in your friend's study. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I think that in many
parts of the world, parents are eager to do what by their understanding will
benefit their children. So you get parents not speaking their maternal language
to their children (so many places), beating their kids when they speak other
than English (Uganda), having their kids undergo tongue surgery to pronounce
English better (Korea), etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>From what I've heard
and read, a lot of it comes from erroneous notions about language learning and
linguistic ability. Commonly, that speaking 2 languages means you do each less
well than if you spent all your time with one language. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Not sure whether any
of this has to do with any of your friend's study's findings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>All the best.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Don<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>PS- just posted a
few items to AfricanLanguages, of which the excerpt of a talk by Philip
Emeagwali in which he mentions his educational experience wrt language as a
child in Nigeria might be of interest.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AfricanLanguages/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous
Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mia Kalish<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 24, 2007
7:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] My Bad March
17-19 2008<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi, Andre, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I like your title, and your graphic.
Don’t know where Sausalito is, but I would like to come. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also – this isn’t quite about
Ndn languages, but my friend Yolanda just did a study on why parents choose
English Immersion for their Spanish-speaking children. The results aren’t
totally earth-shaking, but they are interesting and to the point. Would people
be interested in what she has to say? She’s Tejano. Her dad’s part
Yaqui. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Let me know what you think.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best always, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mia <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous
Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andre Cramblit<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 24, 2007
1:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [ILAT] My Bad March 17-19
2008</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SAVE THE DATE- SAVE THE DATE- SAVE THE DATE- SAVE THE DATE-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Live Your Language Alliance (LYLA)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Invites you to join us in our 1<sup>st</sup> Annual Native Languages
Conference:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic'>Shut Up & Talk*: Gathering The
Tools To Live Our Languages</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>March 17-19, 2008 @ Humboldt State University-Arcata, CA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>More information, call to conference and call for presenters available
online after 12/01/07<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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challenge people to make a commitment to developing the skills, knowledge and
resources needed to preserve the vitality of our Native languages and to speak
them in our daily lives.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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