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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>interesting pages Mia,<BR>
thanks for sharing the link!<BR>
awww...no plans for scuba archaeology in the Bering Strait?<BR>
Rzs<BR>
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On 1/12/08 8:46 AM, "Mia Kalish" <MiaKalish@LEARNINGFORPEOPLE.US> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I like the options that the Athapascan people could have discovered Russia! I wish I had thought of that. <BR>
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However, the possibility is closer to being substantial than might be implied by my opening. <BR>
I discovered research at U. Manitoba a few years ago. I summarized here: <a href="http://www.learningforpeople.us/Lipan/AlaskanMigration.htm">http://www.learningforpeople.us/Lipan/AlaskanMigration.htm</a><BR>
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Actually it’s a whole web environment, but it is pretty, and incorporates related research on New Mexico evidence. <BR>
Says that the Athapascans were living on the southeast corner of Glacial Lake Agassiz during the last ice age. When the ice started to melt, Agassiz water went East, to the great lakes, where Athapascan speakers were encountered in the 1800’s, North, to Alaska, to the land of the midnight sun, and South. Arrow heads indicate that they went all over the south. We know there are still Lipan people in Mexico. </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><FONT FACE="Wingdings">J</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> <BR>
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Enjoy. <BR>
Mia <BR>
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PS: For music buffs, what famous song, _______ River Valley, was about the modern day Lake Agassiz water? (Maybe that’s too much of a clue </FONT><FONT FACE="Wingdings">J</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> ).<BR>
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<FONT FACE="Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology [<a href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]">mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Smith<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 11, 2008 8:02 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>In discussion with Greg Anderson of Living Tongues,he found<BR>
similarities in siberian and some athabaskan languages<BR>
but he presented the possibility that<BR>
populations of migrating americans could just as well have settled <BR>
parts of Siberia and languages could have been spread this way as well.<BR>
The Bering Strait might not have been The One Way Road <BR>
we see on high school school maps<BR>
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I guess Athabaskans could claim to have discovered Russia?<BR>
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Richard Zane Smith<BR>
Wyandotte, Oklahoma<BR>
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On 1/11/08 4:01 PM, "Ryan Denzer-King" <johndillinger43@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:<BR>
>From what I know about the Bering Strait theory, the crossings occurred at far too great a time depth for any significant (at least superficial) linguistic evidence to be present. It's my understanding that any divergences great than 10,000 years are essentially impossible to prove, since the divergence will be great enough that similarities in the languages due to common genetic origin will not be statistically significantly greater than those due to chance.<BR>
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Ryan Denzer-King<BR>
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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:29:06 -0700<BR>
From: bernisantamaria@GMAIL.COM<BR>
Subject: Re: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor (fwd)<BR>
To: ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR>
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Dear ILAT:<BR>
I find this topic interesting too since I read somewhere that there had been DNA comparisons done on American Indian and Mongolians or Asians? Does anyone know if there was something like that in the past several years? I believe it also stated that there were very little similarities. Regarding the Bering Strait theory--that's all it is according to the late Prof. Vine Deloria, it is not proven scientific fact that it occurred. Also, where is the linguistic evidence that any Indigenous languages of the Americas are, in any way, similar to Asian or Mongolian languages? It would seem that the issue of parallels in language has not been proven although there have been comparisons done. <BR>
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Bernadette A. Santamaria<BR>
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On 1/11/08, <B>Dr. Dorene Wiese</B> <dpwiese@aol.com> wrote: <BR>
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><FONT FACE="Arial">Dear ILAT LISTSERV.<BR>
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The article on the Mongolians is very interesting, considering, when we visited there with the first American Indian group in l980, they had<BR>
never heard of the Bering Strait theory. It is true, however, that when we took our group picture, some of us on Mongolian horses, in Ulan Batar,you could not tell who the Indians were and who the Mongolians were. George Bordeaux has great film coverage of that historic event. It was a tremendous trip. I call that time, China before McDonalds. <BR>
Dorene<BR>
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From: phil cash cash <cashcash@EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU> <BR>
To: ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR>
Sent: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 1:58 pm<BR>
Subject: [ILAT] Mongolians first to discover America claims professor (fwd) <BR>
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Mongolians first to discover America claims professor<BR>
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12:01 | 11/ 01/ 2008<BR>
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<a href="http://en.rian.ru/world/20080111/96196977.html">http://en.rian.ru/world/20080111/96196977.html</a><BR>
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BEIJING, January 11 (RIA Novosti) - A Mongolian professor of history has said<BR>
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America was discovered by the Mongolians and not Christopher Columbus, as is<BR>
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popularly believed, the Xinhua news agency reported late on Thursday.<BR>
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Professor Sumiya Jambaldorj from the Genghis Khan University in the Mongolian<BR>
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capital, UIan Bator, performed a study proving the similarity between American<BR>
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place names and words in the Mongolian language.<BR>
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"About 8,000 to 25,000 years ago, Mongols with stone tools crossed the Aleutian<BR>
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Islands and arrived in America," Jambaldorj was reported as saying.<BR>
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The academic said that over 20 place names in the Alaskan Aleutian Islands could<BR>
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be Mongolian.<BR>
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"Many names of places and rivers in the U.S. state of Alaska are believed to be<BR>
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Mongolian," he said.<BR>
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The news agency said there were similar words in a Native American language and<BR>
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Mongolian, e.g. "hagaan," which means "ancestor" in Mongolian.<BR>
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Jambaldorj said there was much in common between the ancestors of the Mongolians<BR>
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and the Native Americans, adding that some types of stone tools found in the<BR>
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Aleutian Islands had also been discovered in the Gobi desert area of Mongolia.
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