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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Unicode works really well for most
characters. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It doesn’t work for rising tone,
nasalized Athapascan vowels, especially the “i”, because you end up
with a dot and a high tone mark, which is incorrect. It doesn’t work well
for the glottal, either, because beyond representation, you need to have the
glottal function as a real character. If you take a shortcut and use the
apostrophe, Word and sorting algorithms see it as a punctuation mark, and
represent the word incorrectly. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since there are So Many glottals in
Southern Athapascan, especially at the beginning of words, this is a real
problem. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mia <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi, Keola; nice to see you. </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PPS: Happy Valentine’s day,
everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous
Languages and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keola Donaghy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 11, 2008
2:58 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] forum</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Aloha Ted, we've been using Unicode on our sites for Hawaiian for many
years. This is the CSS code that I use in all of them and it seems to work well
on contemporary OS and browsers:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode,Arial Unicode
MS,Lucida Grande,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Lucida Sans Unicode is the most ubiquitous of the
Windows fonts, Arial Unicode MS came with some older installations, and Lucida
Grande is the best Macintosh font for viewing on the web as I have been told it
has the largest collection of characters. The final two are fallbacks. Arial on
Windows has our Hawaiian diacritics (not sure about how extensive the rest of
its character set is) and then Helvetica again for Mac users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>If you're not familiar with the way CSS works (my
apologies if you do already), it will start with the first font, and the
browser will use the first listed font which has the characters you need. If
none of them have the characters you need, then you might get a square box or
question mark. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Most contemporary browsers seem to try to locate a font
that has a character missing from the font that you have specified. For
example, if you specify Lucida Sans Unicode only and a Mac user visits your
site with Safari or Firefox, the browser will compensate and use Lucida Grande
to display the unicode characters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>It would be helpful if your users provided the operating
system and browser versions they are using.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>I noticed you're using Ning. Are you localizing the site
as well? I started a Hawaiian translation of Ning a few weeks ago and got
sidetracked. Their localization tools are impressive and very easy to use. I
was going to try to register to take a look at the site but it asked
"Band(s) of The Colville Tribes:" to which I have no reply. You can customize
the CSS in Ning, though I haven't done so myself yet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Hope this helps, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Keola<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 12 Pep. 2008, at 10:30 AM, Ted Moomaw wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><span
style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'>I
work at the Omak language and cultural preservation program for the Colville
confederated tribes. My question is that I would like to start a website
for online lessons and also a place to chat using our unicode font.
Do you know of anyone who has started a language chat forum that uses unicode,
the font we use is called lucida sans unicode. I have a few friends
that read and write in our lang. and I think many others would soon catch on w/
such a place to visit online. I was also thinking it would be nice to
have an interactive dictionary on the same site.</span></font><font size=1
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>There has recently
been added a website called oneheartforthepeople.com it is a locally started
website for general interest locally, I started an okanogan language
group on there, and on my home computer I can perfectly read everyones font,
but at my work computer where we almost exclusively use unicode I cannot read
the font from that site, also many others are unable to correctly recieve
the font. If you know of anyone I might contact who has started a
site that is unicode supported would you please help.</span></font><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>========================================================================</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Keola
Donaghy
</span></font></span><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Assistant
Professor of Hawaiian Studies </span></font></span><font size=1
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Ka
Haka 'Ula O Ke'elikolani <a
href="mailto:keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu">keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu</a> </span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>University
of Hawai'i at Hilo <a
href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/</a></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>"Tír
gan teanga, tír gan anam." (Irish Gaelic saying)</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>A
country without its language is a country without its soul.</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>========================================================================</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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