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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You may want to consider using the Open
Font Licence (<a
href="http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL">http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL</a>
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community to spring up and grow. The OFL provides a legal framework and
infrastructure for worldwide development, sharing and improvement of fonts and
related software in a collaborative manner. It enables font authors to release
their work under a common license that allows bundling, modification and
redistribution. It encourages shared value, is not limited to any specific
computing platform or environment, and can be used by other organisations or
individuals.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dave Pearson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous Languages
and Technology [mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keola Donaghy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 February 2008 04:24<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] forum</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>On 15 Pep. 2008, at 5:05 PM, Mia Kalish wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You know what? (Of course you don’t that was So
Rhetorical). . . but here’s what: <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you own the font, you can modify it. So if you
have a pile of fonts for the University, you can change them yourself . . . or
have a friend to it for you (You have such a friend). That way, you can have
the special character in a pile of fonts.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I imagine there is a way around this for others,
because the Intellectual Property rules restrict distribution of fonts to
people who don’t own them. It doesn’t say that if you own the font, you and
your friends can’t modify it. The rule is that you can modify it for your own
use.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Yes. We have a few hundred postscript fonts that we've modified over
the years for our own, in-house use. That's how we created the HI fonts. We do
have a couple that were based on some free fonts (similar to Helv, Times,
Palatino and Courier), and the creator of those fonts gave us his blessing to
make the fonts available to the public. Those are the four (HI Keawe, HI
Manokalanipo, HI Pi'ilani, and HI Kakuhihewa) which are downloadable from our
website, along with the fonts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>We could easily modify the fonts again to add the glottal and macrons
in the correct Unicode locations, but we're more concerned with widespread
support for the language - getting the foundries and system vendors to include
them in the fonts that everyone gets, since so much of our work is not going
web-based. We donʻt want people to have to download special fonts anymore to
type and print Hawaiian.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven’t played with the scripting in Unicode,
because the characters are all individually coded with their unique numbers.
Three character compositions have 3 sequential 4-byte codes (I think), and
possibly a compositing instruction code. That means that if you are manually
coding Unicode, the sequence in which you specify the characters matters, with
the obvious results if people choose sequences randomly, thinking that the
appearance of the character is what is important.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You description sounds like the fonts were
manually coded. Characters sort by their internal number; when you specified
your preferred sort sequence, whoever was helping recoded the glyphs so they
would sort in the specified order. Locales, lucky people <</span></font><font
color=navy face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Wingdings;
color:navy'>J</span></font><font color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'>> People don’t notice localization
because they don’t have to live without it.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>No, the characters we use are found in some, but not all, Mac and Win fonts.
Many have the macron-vowel characters, few have the glottal. The common ones
that do are Lucida Grande (Mac) and Lucida Sans Unicode (Win). Regarding
sorting, Apple created the system-level sort routines based on our input. I've
never bothered to see how the sorting worked when the Hawaiian locale in the
"International" system pref was not selected. That's what triggers
our preferred sorting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><u1:p></u1:p><u1:p>
<div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <span style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1'></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color="#144fae" face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#144FAE'>I don’t have
<st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place>, although the changes sound intriguing.
As for OneSpellCheck fits OldAndNew . . . the internal codes are different. The
simplest approach is to have a utility that converts one to the other . . .
this means that the utility has to tiptoe through Word codes, changing only the
appropriate font codes. This is not overly difficult for a programmer, but is
definitely non-trivial for many. Our problem in Athapascan with “old fonts” is
that people replaced the Number sequence with the special vowels and
characters. Can you see what an amazing nightmare that is for sorting,
searching, databases? Aaaargh. But then, it was all people seemed to know how
to do.</span></span></font></u1:p></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>The <st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place> spell-check functionality
requires that user spell check dictionaries be encoded as Unicode. I thought
that this was an issue, but realized our umlaut characters are represented in
Unicode as well. I simply resaved the list as Unicode (keeping the umlaut
characters) and it works fine. A document typed using our HI fonts works fine.
I then converted the entire word list, converted it to Hawaiian Unicode using a
macro I wrote. I appended this list to the bottom of the previously mentioned
list and saved. So the spell check document contains two complete lists - one
in HI format and one in Unicode. That one document allows you to spell check
either HI formatted or Unicode formatted documents. I did have to go through
and remove duplicates - words which lacked both glottal and macron vowels which
would appear in both lists - but that was pretty easy. If I could only remember
how I did it ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><u1:p><span
style='-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1'>
<div link=blue vlink=blue style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color="#144fae" face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#144FAE'>I took
particular delight in “stepping on” characters that were not used in either
English or Athapascan to create my fonts. It horrified the Unicode people,
which, considering their complete non-responsiveness to Apachean issues, made
my little techie heart day. (I’m so bad.)</span></span></font></u1:p></span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Good for you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m interested in your issues with your ancient
program . . . </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>For another day... or year perhaps. It was FirstClass. They were slow
to become Unicode compliant, and then to update their localization program so
we could continue to translate the Client into Hawaiian and use Unicode to
represent the language in menus and such. They are addressing that now and I
hope to have a new client and server up this summer that will free us of our
dependance on the custom fonts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And thanks, I’m sure this discussion is or will
be useful for lots of people.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Going out into the Tsaile AZ mountain snow, now
coming down in huge clots.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>No snow in NZ but getting cold, by our standards ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Aloha,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Keola<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Tahoma'> Indigenous Languages and Technology [<a
href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU">mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keola Donaghy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 14, 2008
8:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU">ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ILAT] forum</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Aloha
Mia. I don't know if the language scripts in Unicode have anything to do with
sorting routines. When we worked with Apple to get the Hawaiian keyboard into
OS X back in 1991 or 1992, we provided them with our preferred sort order
(vowels, Hawaiian consonants with the glottal last among those, then the
borrowed consonants). We also had to define the vowel-macrons as a secondary
sort, so that if there were (and there are) words that differ only based on the
presence of a macron over a vowel, the word with non-macron is first, then the
macron vowel. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>It took
us several years of lobbying and it was only a chance meeting of a friend of
mine who works at Apple's headquarters with some Apple system engineers that
led to us getting Hawaiian support in OS X. They have since added may more
languages. So we have the Hawaiian keyboard, a Hawaiian locale (which enables
us to create localizations of OS X applications and have them automatically
displayed if there is a localization available), as well as the custom sort
routines and localized date and time strings.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>When we
created our HI fonts in the early 1990s, spell-checkers were also an issue.
That is why we replaced the y-umlaut character ( ÿ ) with the glottal (‘) and
replaced the vowel - umlaut combinations with the vowel macrons. In the case of
the ÿ, it also had the advantage of allowing us to sort properly (in most
cases). Back then ClarisWorks and Word did not accept punctuation marks and
other symbols within words, so we had to find a way to make it work, and
settled on ÿ. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Office
for <st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place> now handles custom spell-check
documents with in Unicode fine. Office for XP and Office for Mac 2004 did not,
which was an issue. I have not yet received a copy of Office 2008 for Mac so
don't know if it can use spell-check documents formated in Unicode yet. We are
working on such a document right now. At some point I'll have a single document
that can spell-check both documents typed in our old HI font system as well as
Unicode. I'll be a happy man on that day. ;-)<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'll
look into the other Unicode glottal characters, perhaps someone here is more
familiar with them than I. To be honest, I somewhat regret our decision to use
the non-breaking character because it is available in so few fonts, however,
that it was the one I was encouraged to use by people who knew better than I. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>We're
in a very strange transitional place right now in our adaptation of Unicode.
Because of one particular application that we depend heavily upon, we have not
been able to completely abandon our old custom fonts and go to Unicode. I'm
hoping to have that issue taken care of by this summer.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'll
get back to you on the other glottal character(s).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hope
this help! Feel free to email if I can be of any other assistance.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Keola<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 15
Pep. 2008, at 4:26 PM, Mia Kalish wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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</span></font><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;
widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'>Yes, this is exactly what I
mean. I’m not familiar with U+02BB. Hyphenation is not an issue in Athapascan;
I don’t think I have ever seen anything hyphenated. But, the glottal has to
sort first, before the vowels it affects, ‘a is a typical form and is actually
the most common glottalization of leading vowels, although other vowels are
glottalized in the same way.<u2:p></u2:p></span></span></font><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, since we don’t have Athapascan language and
grammar, we have to use English, so we have to fool English into thinking the
characters we are typing actually belong to it so we can use spell-check.<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How do you do this in Hawaiian? I just looked at
my language options for Word, and Hawaiian is a recognized language, We don’t
have this luxury, and although there is now a language code for NAV and APA,
there are differences in the 6 Apaches, and only one language code. Sigh.
People are so stingy, aren’t they?<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u2:p> </u2:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Keola Donaghy
</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Assistant Professor of
Hawaiian Studies </span></font></span><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Ka Haka 'Ula O
Ke'elikolani <a
href="mailto:keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu">keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu</a> </span></font></span><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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w:st="on"><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>University</span></font></span></st1:PlaceType><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
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w:st="on">Hawai'i</st1:PlaceName> at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hilo</st1:place></st1:City>
<a href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/</a></span></font></span><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>"Tír gan teanga,
tír gan anam." (Irish Gaelic saying)</span></font></span><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>A country without its
language is a country without its soul.</span></font></span><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Keola
Donaghy
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Assistant
Professor of Hawaiian Studies </span></font></span><font size=1
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>Ka
Haka 'Ula O Ke'elikolani <a
href="mailto:keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu">keola@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu</a> </span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black face=Courier><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Hawai'i</st1:PlaceName> at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hilo</st1:place></st1:City>
<a href="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~donaghy/</a></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>"Tír
gan teanga, tír gan anam." (Irish Gaelic saying)</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=1 color=black
face=Courier><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>A
country without its language is a country without its soul.</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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