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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard
Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] "Twilight for the Forest
People"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Earl,<BR>Very well said.<BR>i thought it might be an
appropriate time to share my <BR>"Missionary vs. Anthropologist" vessel here -
as an attachment.<BR>I made it to look like a Peruvian stirrup vessel.<BR>the
missionary is of course fighting with his Bible (believed to be the word of
God)<BR>the anthropologist is fighting with his measuring stick(seen in many
photos of artifacts)<BR><BR>By the way, social anthropologists can feel just as
indignant as evangelistic missionaries <BR>when we question their motives...I
suppose each feels they are being judged unfairly<BR>and yet often each wants to
beat the other to the "pie" <BR><BR>Richard Zane
Smith<BR>Wyandotte, Oklahoma<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 6/8/08 10:43 AM, "Earl
Otchingwanigan" <wiigwaas@MSN.COM> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Greetings Don Osborn et al: The dilemma is not whether
to leave the isolated peoples to their fate or not, the dilemma is the
seemingly inherent nature of humankind's inability to not interfere with
anything that exists in a natural condition. This peculiarity is easily
noted; tell someone to not touch something, the moment your back is turned,
they <I>will </I>touch it. As a native person however, there exists a
mentality within certain cultures and groups that has continually perplexed
me. To cite as to what I have speaks of here, in "my" area of the Great
Lakes, when the first Europeans arrived, they saw the wolf as part of a grand
primeval scheme to prevent the advancement in bettering their idea of what
life should be. By 1940, the wolf was nearly extinct along with the
wanton clear cutting of the virgin timber. The Lake States actually had
"licensed" hunters to eradicate the wolf thereby making "life safe" and to
improve the deer herd for the benefit of the annual deer hunt and hunters so
that they can "reconnect" with their "roots". Recently, the wolf
population has made a comeback, but of course it now poses a perceived
"threat" and therefore needs regulation so everyone will feel safe on their
ATVs and snowmobiles whilst in the "wilds", not to mention, a few farmers
complaining that the wolf might just kill a calf. Referencing Don
Osborn's "pardon for the dumb question", rather let us refer to it as a
thought incomplete. It would seem to me, no peoples ever existed without
contact with others, certainly, indigenous people continually interact with
each other. No one is isolated. As to the second part of the
question, if that area of the rainforest is presently "untouched" and these
natives dwelling there have successfully retained their lifestyle, then
currently in this condition how can it "still [be] an area dominated by people
from [the] dominant cultures" save for Brazil or Peru's claim to a
"non-discovery", ah but then the chainsaw, yes! Regardless of the
quaintness of John Noble Wilford's article in the NY Times, especially written
from perhaps a high-rise, on the plight of these people, it all comes back to
the original theory of <B>don't touch it</B>. You can now be assured
with all the publicity that these "poor natives" will now need to be rescued
and saved, most of all, their souls, and brought forth to share in the fruits
of what all modern life has to offer, <I>please! </I>This occurred with
my people, and man, well.....no need to go there, now is there? After
all, I can speak only for myself. <I></I>Cheers<I>, </I>Earl
Otchingwanigan<BR><I> <BR></I></SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Don Osborn <A
href="mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET"><mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:53
AM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> [ILAT] "Twilight for the Forest
People"<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR>FYI… The article
frames a dilemma in terms of “whether to leave them [isolated peoples]
to their fate or to assimilate them into the larger world before they
are extinguished.” I assume the range of options is not quite that
simple. Pardon the dumb question, but are indigenous groups of any
sort involved in initial contacts, or is this still an area dominated by
people from the dominant
cultures?<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Twilight for
the Forest People<BR> <BR><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html</A><BR> <BR>By
JOHN NOBLE WILFORD<BR> <BR>Published: June 8,
2008<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The world is closing in on the few
remaining people who live in such remote isolation as to seem not of
this
world.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>A
reminder of their situation came recently with the publication of
aerial photographs of the encampment of a tribe in the upper reaches
of the Amazon River in Brazil, near the border with Peru. The pictures
showed a line of neat huts and people looking up at the small
airplane. Two men, their faces and bodies painted red, raised bows and
arrows as a pointed warning to the
intruder.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>As survivors whose continued
survival is very much in doubt, these last primitive tribes hidden
away in the planet’s most remote reaches pose a dilemma for their
would-be protectors: whether to leave them to their fate or to
assimilate them into the larger world before they are
extinguished.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Neither course promises
a happy ending.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they remain isolated,
these populations may cling to their way of life a little longer. Some
have moved deeper into the rainforest, away from encroaching loggers
and oil prospectors. But the bulldozers and saws seem destined to end
their solitude.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they are removed and
survive the exposure to diseases they have never encountered, it is
likely that the unique knowledge and beliefs that define them, the
spirit of their life, will probably slip
away.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The Brazilian government’s
National Indian Foundation, Funai, came upon the encampment as it was
making one of its regular patrols of the scattered settlements of
tribes in the State of Acre who are thought to have had little direct
contact with the outside world. The picture-taking plane had no
intention of landing: it was only checking the location and apparent
well-being of the people.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Survival
International, a London-based organization supporting the cause of
struggling indigenous people, estimates that at least 100 similarly
isolated tribes remain in the world, about half of them in Brazil and
Peru.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT
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