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color=#0000ff size=2>Wow! Wonderful! What a great piece! Do
you mind if I forward the photo to some of my anthropology-type
friends? Actually, I'd love to print it for my office and share it
with anthropology students. It makes a great point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=284181819-10062008>arol</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard
Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] "Twilight for the Forest
People"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Hi Carol,<BR>hmmm...let's try again here...<BR>i wonder
if anyone else had a problem opening it<BR><BR>thanks for letting me
know<BR>rzs<BR><BR>On 6/10/08 11:15 AM, "McMillan, Carol"
<CMcMillan@WVC.EDU> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>I couldn't open your attachment on my computer. I'd very much
like to. Can you save it in any other format?<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>Thanks,<BR>Carol<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology [<A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:42
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT]
"Twilight for the Forest People"<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Earl,<BR>Very well said.<BR>i thought it
might be an appropriate time to share my <BR>"Missionary vs. Anthropologist"
vessel here - as an attachment.<BR>I made it to look like a Peruvian stirrup
vessel.<BR>the missionary is of course fighting with his Bible (believed to be
the word of God)<BR>the anthropologist is fighting with his measuring
stick(seen in many photos of artifacts)<BR><BR>By the way, social
anthropologists can feel just as indignant as evangelistic missionaries
<BR>when we question their motives...I suppose each feels they are being
judged unfairly<BR>and yet often each wants to beat the other to the "pie"
<BR><BR>Richard Zane Smith<BR>Wyandotte,
Oklahoma<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 6/8/08 10:43 AM, "Earl Otchingwanigan"
<wiigwaas@MSN.COM> wrote:<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Greetings Don Osborn et al: The dilemma is
not whether to leave the isolated peoples to their fate or not, the
dilemma is the seemingly inherent nature of humankind's inability to
not interfere with anything that exists in a natural condition.
This peculiarity is easily noted; tell someone to not touch
something, the moment your back is turned, they <I>will </I>touch it.
As a native person however, there exists a mentality within
certain cultures and groups that has continually perplexed me.
To cite as to what I have speaks of here, in "my" area of the Great
Lakes, when the first Europeans arrived, they saw the wolf as part of
a grand primeval scheme to prevent the advancement in bettering their
idea of what life should be. By 1940, the wolf was nearly
extinct along with the wanton clear cutting of the virgin timber.
The Lake States actually had "licensed" hunters to eradicate the
wolf thereby making "life safe" and to improve the deer herd for the
benefit of the annual deer hunt and hunters so that they can
"reconnect" with their "roots". Recently, the wolf population
has made a comeback, but of course it now poses a perceived "threat"
and therefore needs regulation so everyone will feel safe on their
ATVs and snowmobiles whilst in the "wilds", not to mention, a few
farmers complaining that the wolf might just kill a calf.
Referencing Don Osborn's "pardon for the dumb question", rather
let us refer to it as a thought incomplete. It would seem to me,
no peoples ever existed without contact with others, certainly,
indigenous people continually interact with each other. No one
is isolated. As to the second part of the question, if that area
of the rainforest is presently "untouched" and these natives dwelling
there have successfully retained their lifestyle, then currently in
this condition how can it "still [be] an area dominated by people from
[the] dominant cultures" save for Brazil or Peru's claim to a
"non-discovery", ah but then the chainsaw, yes! Regardless of
the quaintness of John Noble Wilford's article in the NY Times,
especially written from perhaps a high-rise, on the plight of these
people, it all comes back to the original theory of <B>don't touch
it</B>. You can now be assured with all the publicity that these
"poor natives" will now need to be rescued and saved, most of all,
their souls, and brought forth to share in the fruits of what all
modern life has to offer, <I>please! </I>This occurred with my
people, and man, well.....no need to go there, now is there? After
all, I can speak only for myself. Cheers<I>, </I>Earl
Otchingwanigan<BR><I> <BR></I><BR></FONT></SPAN>
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face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Don Osborn <A
href="mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET"><mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:53
AM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> [ILAT] "Twilight for the Forest
People"<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR>FYI… The
article frames a dilemma in terms of “whether to leave them
[isolated peoples] to their fate or to assimilate them into the
larger world before they are extinguished.” I assume the range
of options is not quite that simple. Pardon the dumb question,
but are indigenous groups of any sort involved in initial
contacts, or is this still an area dominated by people from
the dominant
cultures?<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Twilight
for the Forest People<BR> <BR><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html</A><BR> <BR>By
JOHN NOBLE WILFORD<BR> <BR>Published: June 8,
2008<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The world is closing in on the
few remaining people who live in such remote isolation as to
seem not of this
world.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>A
reminder of their situation came recently with the publication
of aerial photographs of the encampment of a tribe in the upper
reaches of the Amazon River in Brazil, near the border with
Peru. The pictures showed a line of neat huts and people
looking up at the small airplane. Two men, their faces and
bodies painted red, raised bows and arrows as a pointed
warning to the intruder.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>As
survivors whose continued survival is very much in doubt,
these last primitive tribes hidden away in the planet’s most remote
reaches pose a dilemma for their would-be protectors: whether
to leave them to their fate or to assimilate them into the
larger world before they are
extinguished.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Neither course
promises a happy ending.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they
remain isolated, these populations may cling to their way of
life a little longer. Some have moved deeper into the rainforest,
away from encroaching loggers and oil prospectors. But the
bulldozers and saws seem destined to end their
solitude.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they are removed and
survive the exposure to diseases they have never encountered,
it is likely that the unique knowledge and beliefs that define
them, the spirit of their life, will probably slip
away.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The Brazilian
government’s National Indian Foundation, Funai, came upon the
encampment as it was making one of its regular patrols of the
scattered settlements of tribes in the State of Acre who are thought
to have had little direct contact with the outside world. The
picture-taking plane had no intention of landing: it was only
checking the location and apparent well-being of the
people.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Survival International, a
London-based organization supporting the cause of struggling
indigenous people, estimates that at least 100 similarly
isolated tribes remain in the world, about half of them in
Brazil and
Peru.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN
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