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color=#0000ff size=2>I'd love to see them all.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard
Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] "Twilight for the Forest
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">sure Carol,<BR>that would be great!<BR>I enjoy making
social commentary pieces ...once in a while.<BR>art has a language of its
own<BR>and a little humor helps makes "the medicine go down"<BR>you might be
also interested in seeing my tel-evangelist pieces...heee heee<BR>or one I once
did on the genetic engineering of sister corn?<BR><BR>-Richard Zane
Smith<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 6/10/08 12:22 PM, "McMillan, Carol"
<CMcMillan@WVC.EDU> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>Wow! Wonderful! What a great piece! Do you mind
if I forward the photo to some of my anthropology-type friends?
Actually, I'd love to print it for my office and share it with
anthropology students. It makes a great
point.<BR>Carol<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:02
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT]
"Twilight for the Forest People"<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Hi Carol,<BR>hmmm...let's try again
here...<BR>i wonder if anyone else had a problem opening it<BR><BR>thanks for
letting me know<BR>rzs<BR><BR>On 6/10/08 11:15 AM, "McMillan, Carol"
<CMcMillan@WVC.EDU> wrote:<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>I couldn't open your attachment on my computer. I'd very
much like to. Can you save it in any other
format?<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial>Thanks,<BR>Carol<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR> <BR>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08,
2008 5:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] "Twilight for
the Forest People"<BR></FONT><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Earl,<BR>Very well said.<BR>i thought
it might be an appropriate time to share my <BR>"Missionary vs.
Anthropologist" vessel here - as an attachment.<BR>I made it to look
like a Peruvian stirrup vessel.<BR>the missionary is of course
fighting with his Bible (believed to be the word of God)<BR>the
anthropologist is fighting with his measuring stick(seen in many
photos of artifacts)<BR><BR>By the way, social anthropologists can
feel just as indignant as evangelistic missionaries <BR>when we
question their motives...I suppose each feels they are being judged
unfairly<BR>and yet often each wants to beat the other to the "pie"
<BR><BR>Richard Zane Smith<BR>Wyandotte,
Oklahoma<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 6/8/08 10:43 AM, "Earl Otchingwanigan"
<wiigwaas@MSN.COM> wrote:<BR><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Greetings Don Osborn et al: The dilemma
is not whether to leave the isolated peoples to their fate or
not, the dilemma is the seemingly inherent nature of
humankind's inability to not interfere with anything that
exists in a natural condition. This peculiarity is easily
noted; tell someone to not touch something, the moment your
back is turned, they <I>will </I>touch it. As a native
person however, there exists a mentality within certain
cultures and groups that has continually perplexed me.
To cite as to what I have speaks of here, in "my" area of the
Great Lakes, when the first Europeans arrived, they saw the
wolf as part of a grand primeval scheme to prevent the
advancement in bettering their idea of what life should be.
By 1940, the wolf was nearly extinct along with the
wanton clear cutting of the virgin timber. The Lake
States actually had "licensed" hunters to eradicate the wolf
thereby making "life safe" and to improve the deer herd for the
benefit of the annual deer hunt and hunters so that they can
"reconnect" with their "roots". Recently, the wolf
population has made a comeback, but of course it now poses a
perceived "threat" and therefore needs regulation so everyone
will feel safe on their ATVs and snowmobiles whilst in the
"wilds", not to mention, a few farmers complaining that the
wolf might just kill a calf. Referencing Don Osborn's
"pardon for the dumb question", rather let us refer to it as a
thought incomplete. It would seem to me, no peoples ever
existed without contact with others, certainly, indigenous
people continually interact with each other. No one is
isolated. As to the second part of the question, if that area
of the rainforest is presently "untouched" and these natives
dwelling there have successfully retained their lifestyle, then
currently in this condition how can it "still [be] an area
dominated by people from [the] dominant cultures" save for
Brazil or Peru's claim to a "non-discovery", ah but then the
chainsaw, yes! Regardless of the quaintness of John
Noble Wilford's article in the NY Times, especially written
from perhaps a high-rise, on the plight of these people, it
all comes back to the original theory of <B>don't touch
it</B>. You can now be assured with all the publicity
that these "poor natives" will now need to be rescued and
saved, most of all, their souls, and brought forth to share in the
fruits of what all modern life has to offer, <I>please!
</I>This occurred with my people, and man, well.....no
need to go there, now is there? After all, I can speak
only for myself. Cheers<I>, </I>Earl
Otchingwanigan<BR><I> <BR></I><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
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face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR> <BR><B>From:</B> Don Osborn <A
href="mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET"><mailto:dzo@BISHARAT.NET></A>
<BR> <BR><B>To:</B> ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
<BR> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:53
AM<BR> <BR><B>Subject:</B> [ILAT] "Twilight for the
Forest
People"<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR><BR>FYI…
The article frames a dilemma in terms of “whether to
leave them [isolated peoples] to their fate or to
assimilate them into the larger world before they are
extinguished.” I assume the range of options is not quite
that simple. Pardon the dumb question, but are indigenous
groups of any sort involved in initial contacts, or is
this still an area dominated by people from the
dominant
cultures?<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Twilight
for the Forest People<BR> <BR><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/weekinreview/08wilford.html</A><BR> <BR>By
JOHN NOBLE WILFORD<BR> <BR>Published: June 8,
2008<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The world is closing
in on the few remaining people who live in such remote
isolation as to seem not of this
world.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>A
reminder of their situation came recently with the
publication of aerial photographs of the encampment of
a tribe in the upper reaches of the Amazon River in
Brazil, near the border with Peru. The pictures showed
a line of neat huts and people looking up at the small
airplane. Two men, their faces and bodies painted red,
raised bows and arrows as a pointed warning to the
intruder.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>As survivors
whose continued survival is very much in doubt, these
last primitive tribes hidden away in the planet’s most remote
reaches pose a dilemma for their would-be protectors:
whether to leave them to their fate or to assimilate
them into the larger world before they are
extinguished.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Neither
course promises a happy
ending.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they remain isolated,
these populations may cling to their way of life a
little longer. Some have moved deeper into the rainforest,
away from encroaching loggers and oil prospectors. But
the bulldozers and saws seem destined to end their
solitude.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>If they are removed and
survive the exposure to diseases they have never
encountered, it is likely that the unique knowledge and
beliefs that define them, the spirit of their life,
will probably slip
away.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>The Brazilian
government’s National Indian Foundation, Funai, came
upon the encampment as it was making one of its regular
patrols of the scattered settlements of tribes in the
State of Acre who are thought to have had little direct
contact with the outside world. The picture-taking
plane had no intention of landing: it was only
checking the location and apparent well-being of the
people.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Survival
International, a London-based organization supporting
the cause of struggling indigenous people, estimates that at
least 100 similarly isolated tribes remain in the
world, about half of them in Brazil and
Peru.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>…<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN
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