<div>Kweh omateru,</div><div>(greetings friends)</div><div><br></div><div>oh yeah,this "blood-quantum" issue is bound to come around ...kinda</div><div> like those panicky fwd.fwd.fwd. internet hoaxes that keep returning.</div>
<br>What is said here is true though about assimilation.<div>Most of our first nations peoples were great assimilators ourselves.<br><div class="gmail_quote">Our ancestors recognized a new useful tool when they saw it,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and even welcomed a good-minded strong young person ,regardless of race.</div><div class="gmail_quote">But then our ancestors lived in an age of gradual change....</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote">Everything has its price</div><div class="gmail_quote">In the past, with a crafted stone tool , a person could fell a tree.</div><div class="gmail_quote">today it takes a million people to fell the same tree.... </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">when using a chain saw.</div><div class="gmail_quote">but the effort and the resulting ease is ....inescapeable</div><div class="gmail_quote">and such a cost is really ....immeasurable</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">In the past our adoptees(of other people) were given clan mothers and equal status </div><div class="gmail_quote">as those "born in". Marrying outside became almost ....traditional, and it continues....</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Today "marrying outside" isn't the same as assimilating into the tribe as it once was</div><div class="gmail_quote">so...yes, there there is a cost to that too. A "white" spouse is not an accepted tribal member and as a result there can be a split along a strange foreign line called "race"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">which fractures more and more tribal identity and its own infrastructure.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">What would our ancestors think? I guess i like to speculate....</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Would our ancestors look at future grandchildren becoming less and less</div><div class="gmail_quote">grandchildren? and measure them by blood? or would our ancestors be more </div><div class="gmail_quote">
concerned about grandchildren (no matter their skin) becoming desensitized </div><div class="gmail_quote">about their tribal identity and loss of their language?</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
Our ancestors might be glad our children are hearing so many stories from so many people. But they might be upset knowing there are some people trying</div><div class="gmail_quote">to <i>replace</i> our own traditional stories with some of those foreign or dominant ones.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">They would probably be glad the children are learning a good universal language,</div><div class="gmail_quote">but they would be extremely concerned if that language was becoming dominant</div><div class="gmail_quote">
and edging out all the languages of the land.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">We live on a racetrack of instant and continual rapid change and this is </div><div class="gmail_quote">disconcerting and difficult to study, or make any worry-free predictions. </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">This plugged in greater society is becoming more and more "world dependent"</div><div class="gmail_quote"> just as it is becoming more and more fragile and delicate in its own infrastructure</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">But despite all that...sure,I can make a stone axe</div><div class="gmail_quote">but it sure aint gonna be used for cutting firewood.</div><div class="gmail_quote">I'll grab my chain-saw </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and for now</div><div class="gmail_quote">I guess my million helpers around the world will be glad I did.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">ske:noh</div><div class="gmail_quote">
Richard</div><div class="gmail_quote">Wyandotte Oklahoma</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Heather Souter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hsouter@gmail.com">hsouter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Taanshi, hello....<br><br>Rolland, your words are very powerful! Thank-you! (I hope you will allow me to quote you....)<br><br><br>I am presently trying to work out my dissertation proposal and am struggling with issues of identity, relation to land and language for our people. Many in positions of power focus on genealogical connection and acceptance in a "community" as the most important markers of who we are. However, as indigenous peoples we did not come to be except through our relationship with the land and the practices that are based on that relationship. Our languages express that relationship in their processes/structures/content.... The land is the place from which our languages spring forth and through our connection/symbiosis with (and/or impact on) the land and then develop, change and--in many important ways--help reproduce the relationships many of our Elders enjoy and our ancestors before them. I see the need to speak our languages, to practice the ways of our ancestors and to renew our relationship with the land while incorporating---when and where appropriate for our collective survival as distinct peoples-- the new technologies of the modern/digital age. How do we promote co-present learning from/with Elders and other knowledge keepers as well as best use digital technologies to promote the maintenance/stabilization/revitalization/renewal of our languages and communication practices? Can we do both? Are they mutually exclusive? How do digital technologies affect our relationship with the land and with the others (the plants, the animals, etc.) who inhabit it with us? How does digital technology--especially computer mediated communication--effect our relationships in our emplaced human communities? With Elders, family and friends who live near us? Does digital technology promote the decontextualization of our relationships and therefore fundamentally change them and who we are as peoples? Is there a way to balance the present-day "need" for digital technology with our need to be co-present with with others in order to maintain a sense of who we are as Indigenous peoples? I have so many questions and no answers....<br>
<br>Thanks for listening....<br>Eekoshi pitamaa. That is all for now.<br><font color="#888888">Heather</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikinakn@shaw.ca" target="_blank">mikinakn@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Jim...this one has been rattling around Indian country for a few
days. I paid attention at first but the discussion itself is
paradoxical, so if you read it 30 years ago, it is still the same
oroboro... Some of the discussions along the lines of cultural alchemy
are infuriating. Marriage does not threaten culture but what you do
with culture after you marry can. It is one thing to take a foreign
item and integrate it attaching our own cultural meaning. It is
entirely something else when we take in a foreign item and bring with
it its foreign cultural meaning...one is integration the other is
assimilation. These are two very distinct and subtle processes. We can
have any kind of blood that will keep us living but if that living is
not the daily activities of our people/relatives which keep the living
memories of our ancestors, culturally we have become something
different. Blood be damned...it will not give the knowledge of where
our people hunt, how they hunt, what the hunting medicine/rituals are,
what medicines to use where, or the ancient knowledge of our own
cosmology. All that is only possible though relatives and ancestors.
What can a narrative, a recording, a video, a map tell us of how we
relate to the 'little people' in ritual and prayer. <br>
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Most of the language is gone from the communities where I now live, my
mother's people. Few people remember the traditional geography of this
place and the names that tell you what it is all about. Young people
now go to places with snow machines, ATVs, four x fours and run rampant
over places made sacred by the generations of our ancestors repeatedly
and repeatedly doing offerings and ceremonies far beyond a single
memory of that place. Without that knowledge there is not even the
knowledge of violation by unknowingly urinating or defecating on a
sacred spot where our people made prayer and talked with the spirits.<br>
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And now we are going to discuss the age old blood quantum, no longer
because of the colonizers, but to identify amongst our own people to
determine who qualifies for the largest payout.... In my opinion, I
will stop here as I see this discussion having no solution...unless, of
course, someone else can please post one.<br>
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