Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual leaders that take us beyond science and back again....<br><br>Eekoshi.<br>Heather<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rzs@wildblue.net">rzs@wildblue.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">hey Rolland,<div>thanks for sharing this poem...</div><div>i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign feeling" teeth ....</div><div class="im">
<div class="gmail_quote"><i><b>"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed poets and artists </b></i></div><div class="gmail_quote"><i><b>can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."</b></i></div>
</div><div class="gmail_quote">....to smile of course!</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and chopping tools,</div><div class="gmail_quote">
and just about defines us as "creators" </div><div class="gmail_quote">I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little he knew</div><div class="gmail_quote">and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to truckloads of ignorance.</div><div class="gmail_quote">Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with humility when we need it.</div>
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikinakn@shaw.ca" target="_blank">mikinakn@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so
many ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the
course should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.<br>
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The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my
book of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:<br>
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<b>oscillations</b><br>
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you must sleep<br>
you must dream<br>
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your dreaming<br>
must dream me<br>
or i cannot dream you<br>
into my dream<br>
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breathing--<br>
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in and out<br>
motionless <br>
under archaic lapis<br>
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in and out<br>
like a bronze man breathing<br>
his azury breath<br>
at the azury centre of time<br>
released from all destructions— <br>
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"what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about
the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so
clearly how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen
Hawking, in my very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science,
technology can take us only to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond.
Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
poets and artists can also take you beyond where science cannot go...
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On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
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<div>Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,</div>
<div>something pretty universal with that thing.</div>
<div>I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to
do with technology?</div>
<div>I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"</div>
For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to
come even near this stuff.
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<div class="gmail_quote">Oh and Rolland ,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"> yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm
honored!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">i've been writing more stuff about the
spiral .... for what its worth,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can
be an ancient key to open</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">basic universals of Change, Pattern and
Mystery that can apply to everything from</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human
life patterns,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">to describing the birth rise peak decline
and collapse of civilizations (see jpg)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">of religions, of personal life and cultural
life. Maybe as an artist/craftsman</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">I like to see simple basic patterns in
things.... nothing fancy or high-tech...</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather
Souter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hsouter@gmail.com" target="_blank">hsouter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Wahwaa! Tapwee lii boń nistwer. Kihchi-maarsii! Wow! Some really
wonderful stories. Thank-you very much!<br>
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I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
some years ago.... The images that came to my mind were of spirals
within spirals and multiple "returns to origin".... It was nothing
like what I had been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!
LOL! Anyhow, I continue to ponder the images ever since.... <br>
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Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol! Thank-you for your words!<br>
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Eekoshi. That's it.<br>
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Nadjiwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikinakn@shaw.ca" target="_blank">mikinakn@shaw.ca</a>></span>
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...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is
already here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
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<div>On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
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Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are
gone knew you would remember.<br>
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My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
elders born in the 19th century told him. It took him some 15 years.
He is now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600
pages, at the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be
used not only in Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high
school so they may have a history of their own. It is time.<br>
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He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
modern. And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that
he’s remembered. <br>
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MJ<br>
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On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <<a href="http://mikinakn@SHAW.CA" target="_blank">mikinakn@SHAW.CA</a>>
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me I am becoming forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see
today is becoming less important and I find myself thinking about the
many things from all my grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten.
I realize now, they knew I would remember....<br>
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