<font size="2"><div><font size="2">MJ, </font></div><div><font size="2">so sorry to hear about your illness ...i hope you're recovering well?</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Yes i think its a much different question (and problem) than simply</font></div>
<div><font size="2">about whether to freeze frame a language in a perceived "language purity phase"</font></div><div><font size="2">or to push forward a "backward" language to "get with the times."</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">It has to do with the survival of once sustainable culture/world views.</font></div><div><font size="2">These views are desperately needed for survival of our planet,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">NOT to put on museum shelves as artifacts of by-gone primitives.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">I assume views of reality are always evolving/changing in any culture,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">but some paradigms like capitalism is based on <i>competition and unlimited growth</i>,</font></div><div><font size="2">an untested sustainable concept that's eventually irrational and destructive.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">To interpret/imprint/imbed this kind of "get with it" capitalism into/upon an ancient </font></div><div><font size="2">culture </font>is like building a McDonalds in Mecca or on Machu Picchu .</div>
<div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Ok...so lets use McDonalds as an example:</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div>Because McDonalds seeks Omnipresence on earth (capitalistic systems ideal)</font><div>
<font size="2">It will twist its way in to pretend to satisfy any culture to gain foothold.</font></div><div><font size="2">But with it comes a price. It will in effect distorts cultural norms.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br>
</font></div><div><font size="2">Are we doing the same by interpreting/bringing in concepts like</font></div><div><font size="2"> "processed-cow-parts-ground-and-mixed-from-</font>thousands-of-unknown-cattle-from-massive-filthy-stockyards-where-once-grass-eaters-are-filled-with-processed-corn-and-growth-hormones-and-shipped-thousands-of-miles-from-people-you-don't-know" </div>
<div><font size="2">and yet hiding Its true description by giving it a nice friendly name like <b> "Hamburger?"</b><br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">Wouldn't it be better to allow a culture access to the truth about</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">these strange foreign customs and allow the people themselves to call it a more</div><div class="gmail_quote">appropriate and culturally astute description :</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b>foreign-spirit-dead-animal-shreds 'tween-airy-white-breads</b></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Here see, the deeper more sustainable cultural perspective is preserved</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">from people who KNOW what THEY have been eating and might have even had </div><div class="gmail_quote">just butchered that morning.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
sorry to ruin anyones lunch!</div><div class="gmail_quote">bon appetite !</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">ske:noh</div><div class="gmail_quote">Richard Zane Smith</div><div class="gmail_quote">
Wyandotte Oklahoma</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, MJ Hardman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hardman@ufl.edu">hardman@ufl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">What you say is true, and I don't think any of us are asking that the<br>
languages be "museumized", but working only from texts specifically<br>
translated from another language does destroy a language. Change must come<br>
from within, and it does, and I have lived long enough to see internal<br>
change in Jaqaru, and the elders rant about it just like ours do (the young<br>
are corrupting the language -- I myself so say to my young'uns who leave the<br>
aspiration off of where so it sounds like wear). But that is different.<br>
ALL complain about the translated texts. Think about trying to read the<br>
instructions in English from an imported gadget, directly translated from,<br>
say Japanese.<br>
<br>
The two problems are quite different & I heard Richard referring to the<br>
latter, not the former. Did I mishear? MJ<br>
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On 10/22/10 3:36 AM, "Rudy Troike" <<a href="mailto:rtroike@EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU">rtroike@EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Richard,<br>
><br>
> Very interesting thoughts -- but haven't ALL languages always been<br>
> adapted by their speakers to meet the needs of culture change? When<br>
> agriculture was adopted and replaced purely nomadic ways, new ways<br>
> of living and interacting were developed and communicated about. The<br>
> Cahokia mounds even show the presence of an incredibly organized and<br>
> presumably hierarchically structured society in the midst of North<br>
> America, requiring new and different modes of communication.<br>
><br>
> I've always been impressed by the way the code-talkers were<br>
> transported from the midst of a traditional way of life to the front<br>
> lines of the most modern mechanized culture of the time, and figured<br>
> out how to communicate about it effectively, incorporating all of the<br>
> advanced technology into their normal language. The structure of a<br>
> language does not have to be affected by culture change, and the<br>
> structure can change even with no change in culture. If a language<br>
> is "museumized", it will no longer function for its speakers to cope<br>
> with communicating about and in a changed cultural landscape, and<br>
> will stop being used.<br>
><br>
> Rudy<br>
><br>
> Rudy Troike<br>
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