<font size="2"><div><font size="2">Compulsory thought/education rings lots of warning bells.</font></div><div><font size="2">Of course ,its been an effective tool of oppressors, colonizers.</font></div><div><font size="2">We're still reeling from the results of forced English/Spanish/French</font></div>
<div><font size="2"> immersion - <i>Chiefly with the educational bent towards Paradigm Replacement.</i></font></div><div><font size="2">"Replacement" would likely NOT be a goal of any indigenous language education.</font></div>
<div><br></div></font><div><div class="gmail_quote">However, place names, flora and fana ,eg.of Aotearoa,(or: NZ)</div><div class="gmail_quote">where the language is more widespread and standardized, </div><div class="gmail_quote">
should be taught everywhere and pronounced correctly!</div><div class="gmail_quote">TV announcers continually brutalize Maori place names and peoples names,</div><div class="gmail_quote">even though they are not THAT difficult to pronounce.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">This is just an annoying daily display of insistant ignorance.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-small;">note;</span></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-small;">This would be much more difficult in the States where we have </span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-small;">hundreds of languages and thousands of various place names!</span></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard Zane Smith</div><div class="gmail_quote">Wyandotte Oklahoma</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Keola Donaghy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaghy@hawaii.edu">donaghy@hawaii.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Kia ora, Peter. Yes, this is also an issue for us. We have lost some immersion teachers to public and private schools as well. While compulsory Hawaiian at some levels may sound appealing, I also believe it would have a disastrous results. <div>
<br></div><div>Look forward to seeing you in Pepeluali also, Larry and I were talking about you just yesterday.</div><div><br></div><div>Keola<br><div><br><div><div>On 2010 ʻOk. 26, at 16:57, Peter J Keegan wrote:</div><br>
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Aloha Keola,<br>
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Personally, I also find calls for compulsory language instruction
somewhat difficult to understand. New Zealand in recent decades did
have compulsory language in many high schools, no guesses as to what
happened. In the case of Maori, making Maori compulsory would have a
negative effect on the Maori-medium education sector, which would
lose Maori teachers to English medium schools that would offer
better working conditions.<br>
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Given the state of the New Zealand economy, and a government cutting
back on education spending, the compulsory teaching of Maori is
unlikely to make the discussion table.<br>
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A hui hou (Pepeluali)<br>
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Peter J Keegan<br>
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Regarding his statement "</font><span style="line-height:18px"><font face="Arial">People argued that making it compulsory would
turn children off, but that theory had never been tested" -
Prof. Reedy obviously hasn't spoken to anyone regarding
compulsory Irish.</font></span>
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Laurel Stowell | 27th October 2010<br>
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Maori language ought to be compulsory in New Zealand
schools, says<br>
Professor Tamati Reedy. That's his personal opinion.
And those<br>
attending a series of hui on the future of the
language are saying<br>
people ought to value it at least as highly as the
country's native<br>
birds and plants.<br>
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Access full article below:<br>
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