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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Richard, how close are you to New Mexico? There is a
great Keres language nest at Cochiti Pueblo. It would really help your
teachers to observe them. I forwarded your email to them, but you might
want to contact them: <A
href="http://www.pueblodecochiti.org">www.pueblodecochiti.org</A>. for
contact info.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Paula</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rzs@WILDBLUE.NET href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET">Richard Zane
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU">ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] suggestions
anyone?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks Navin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>(as much as i'd like to BE Frederick Douglas,</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>regretfully i'm not, </FONT>but then, i only signed off
with my first name,Richard)</DIV>
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<DIV>Unfortunately...the teachers don't really contribute to the native
language part</DIV>
<DIV>and its kinda left up to me....so i have to get creative.</DIV>
<DIV>My wife often helps...and maybe i can "plant her" among the kids to
offer</DIV>
<DIV>the correct response if the kids get stuck.</DIV>
<DIV>heres an example:</DIV>
<DIV> I was trying to convey
<B> nenh,</B> i<B>yatonh Ske:shuh</B> ("now, i
say: red fox") and </DIV>
<DIV> <B>nenh,</B> <B>ndae'</B> <B>tsatonh </B> ("now,
you all say it")</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>which is closely parallel in meaning in both languages ( familiarity - a
good place to start!)<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>these are things that gestures can emulate, and in fact
the teacher figured it out first</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>and excited about her deciphering... started
"explaining in english" to the 3 year olds!</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>If instead she gave the answer: "Ske:shuh"
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>when i asked "now, you say it!" it might have
been more helpful?</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>I feel little ones can easily understand the language
when i combine it with gestures,</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>and are NOT having to think in english ...necessarily
to get there.</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>maybe i'm just feeling sorry for myself, having no
tribal members </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>here who seem interested?</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>Richard Zane Smith</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>Wyandotte, Oklahoma</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Navin Singh <SPAN
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class=gmail_quote>Dear Frederick Douglass,<BR><BR>It is very challenging to
change the preconceived notion of some<BR>teachers, in terms of
interpretation in English. So I think you can do<BR>a trade off and ask
teachers to bring some pictures and images and<BR>give options to students
for their own interpretations. If nothing can<BR>work in getting across the
meaning to students, then teachers can only<BR>use English interpretation.
So the point is that you need to ask your<BR>helper teachers to use
translation as a technique but not as a method<BR>or an approach in your
class.<BR><BR>I hope it might help you to resolve your issues.<BR><BR>Thank
you,<BR>Navin K. Singh<BR>C&I Doc.<BR>NAU<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Richard Zane Smith
<<A href="mailto:rzs@wildblue.net">rzs@wildblue.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> I'm working with preschool kids<BR>> introducing the
Wyandot language...which is great..but<BR>> its not ideal.I can only
volunteer so much time as its not a funded<BR>> position.<BR>> So far
the tribal council hasn't considered our Language as<BR>>
essential...(another topic!)<BR>> Relationships are good with teachers
BUT<BR>> I'm finding I'm having conflict when I'm using ONLY
"wandat"<BR>> and teachers keep "helping" -- interpreting into english
for the students!!!<BR>> they don't seem to understand that KIDS DON'T
NEED ENGLISH INTERPRETATION<BR>> and if something isn't working, its MY
problem and i'll try using<BR>> the "new" words in a different
context...<BR>> maybe stressing the new words less, and wrapping it with
familiar words.<BR>> But what can i tell these teachers!?! I don't want
to offend them<BR>> by correcting them in class...though , in a couple
classes i shook my head<BR>> smiling saying "no interpreting!" but they
looked offended.<BR>> I requested a meeting,that isn't
happening...<BR>> Is there some "easy to comprehend" instruction about
this kind of problem?<BR>> ske:noh<BR>> Richard<BR>>
--<BR>><BR>> "It is easier to build strong children than to repair
broken men."<BR>><BR>> - Frederick
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