<font size="2"><div>Paula (and ALL of you) thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>I've been enjoying the youtube videos of TPR in action</div><div>but i assure you I WILL get the book which sounds excellent.<br><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><b>wandat</b> (Wyandot) hasn't had fluent elders in a 100 years</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">In order for me to implement TPR which in some forms i've accidently done already,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">(Though i get most of the kids singing some "vocabulary" from day one)</div><div class="gmail_quote">I have to "create" the material first. --from scratch. (((no elders to ask,of course)))</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">I have to search from our "word lists" and "root/stem lists"</div><div class="gmail_quote">attempt a construction, send it off via email to a busy linguist</div><div class="gmail_quote">
(who is not paid by our tribe for any work he volunteers) </div><div class="gmail_quote">wait for up to a week get an "ok" or "a correction" with excellent persuasive reasons.</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Imperatives have their unique status and problems. Not about rudeness...but...</div><div class="gmail_quote"><b>raise your hand !</b> ...ok....</div><div class="gmail_quote">should i start with introducing 2p singular? , or 2p plural? , definitely not 2p dual !</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">or is it better to DROP imperatives all together and start with actions I can "join in" ? </div><div class="gmail_quote">1p plural inclusive: </div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b>now, we all raise our hand(s) we stand - we sit - we walk</b></div><div class="gmail_quote"><b><br></b></div><div class="gmail_quote">as you can see there's no prepackaged language course for me to simply follow</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and its why I appreciate ALL the suggestions given.</div></div><div><br></div></font>After the first day children know when i'm asking "where?" something is<div>because I'm using gestures and pretending to look around puzzled.</div>
<div>( to get them to respond in wandat will take longer!)<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">4 yr old pre-school numbers: we work up to "twenty" (they sing it)</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">K- 5th the kids realize that all the other numbers are "easy"</div><div class="gmail_quote">once they memorize the foundational "number song".</div><div class="gmail_quote">
they LOVE having me put (ex) 5432 on the board for them to verbalize..</div><div class="gmail_quote">but i'm rambling and using your time, have a great thanksgiving!</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
much to be thankful for!</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Richard Zane Smith </div><div class="gmail_quote">Wyandotte Oklahoma,</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Paula Meyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pmeyer8@cox.net">pmeyer8@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial">Richard, I have used TPR for Kumeyaay, and it has
gone over very well and people have learned a lot and liked it. The
lessons are very happy events. It has to be adapted culturally, e.g.
direct commands are considered rude in a lot of languages and the vocabulary is
not always appropriate, but this is easily changed. You have to
teach and practice it with the teachers. If you get Asher's
basic book Learning another language through actions (<a href="http://www.tpr-world.com" target="_blank">www.tpr-world.com</a>), you can adapt it, and
the teachers can do it once they understand the concept. We practice
before each lesson. You might want to look at TPR Storytelling too,
another of Asher's books. .Since you are dealing with preschoolers, they
probably don't need all of this; in my experience, they get bored with the
structure and need a more natural situation. However, it may give
your teachers something to hold onto that's a language-teaching "method," and
they might feel more secure. If your teachers are into "research," there
are tons of it to support not changing back and forth between languages,
especially with the majority language. I hate to keep beating this
horse, but do you have any videos of language nests? They could look at
those if they can't visit one, because preschoolers are such little sponges
in any language, and seeing it in action might help them get rid of the majority
language in their interactions with the children. Good luck. Your
efforts will be rewarded when you hear those little kids talking to each other
in their heritage language.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Paula</font></div><font color="#888888">
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<div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" target="_blank">Richard Zane
Smith</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU" href="mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU" target="_blank">ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</a> </div>
</div><div class="im"><div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:29
PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ILAT] suggestions
anyone?</div>
<div><br></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><font size="2">thanks Dorothy,</font>
<div><font size="2">I have been hearing reference to TPR in some seminars I've
attended</font></div>
<div><font size="2">but haven't seen anything indepth. I'll look into
it</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I do use my body alot while i'm teaching and
gestues,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">which is how we all learned our first language (without
translations!)<br></font><br></div>
<div> i also use puppets animals who "talk" ,so i can model
conversations</div>
<div>between myself and puppets...which ALSO means </div>
<div>there becomes more than one Language Speaker in the room!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">its nice to hear the advice</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and to simply be able to talk with people who know its
value!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"> tizhameh (thanks)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:18 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Dmark916@aol.com" target="_blank">Dmark916@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Richard, what you are doing invites a special legacy for the people,
and even though it may not seem to be valued, it lights a way for language
to flourish. Many years ago (like the 1970's) Berty Seigle developed a
technique call Total Physical Response (TPR). As you are exposing very young
children to language, please consider using her approach, as it involves
movement and action in language learning. Gradually the children anticipate
the language and begin using it themselves, not in a word-by-word context,
but actually in descriptive ways. There is no "translation" necessary. And
the teachers, looking on or looking in, can become involved as well.</div>
<div>While some teacher inservice workshops might be helpful, without
administrative backing they might just be resented. Try the TPR approach (or
some iteration of it) instead.</div>
<div>In Spirit,</div>
<div>Dorothy Martinez-K</div>
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<div>In a message dated 11/24/2010 6:41:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, <a href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" target="_blank">rzs@WILDBLUE.NET</a>
writes:</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:blue 2px solid;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px"><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial"><font size="2">thanks Doug and Natasha,<br></font>good way to
explain it about not "giving away the answer" in class.<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">the books (Natasha) sounds excellent...another
project! for me to look into.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">(sounds like i need to have some meetings with
these teachers)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Its tough because ...sadly: <b>I'm it</b>. I'm our
local language revitalization effort,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">which is foolish and even ridiculous. there is no
language committee in our tribe</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and if anythings going to happen its because I'm
insane enough to volunteer to</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">attempt it on my own....and this is the 6th year of
me ..."doing it alone"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">You all who have healthy language/culture
revitalization efforts</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Have something to thank the Creator for.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Just don't forget about some of us foolish ones,
winging it alone,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">carrying the whole weight but determined not to
give up..even if it kills us.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">'preciate having some pros to bounce ideas upon
here on ILAT!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">ske;noh</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Natasha L Warner
<span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:nwarner@u.arizona.edu" href="mailto:nwarner@u.arizona.edu" target="_blank">nwarner@u.arizona.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">I think Leanne Hinton's book that's actually a guide
to the Master<br>Apprentice program, _How to Keep your Language Alive_,
has some good<br>explanations of why immersion without translation is
the way to go. Maybe<br>something in that would help you with how
to explain it to the teachers.<br>It's a challenging issue--even people
who really know better about<br>immersion so often want to just "help"
by providing translation.
Good<br>luck.<br><br>Natasha<br><br>*******************************************************************************<br>Natasha
Warner<br>Associate Professor, Department of Linguistics<br>University
of Arizona<br>PO Box 210028<br>Tucson, AZ
85721-0028<br>U.S.A.<br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>--
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