<font size="2">tizhamëh ! everyone for the suggestions about TPR!</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">My 3 classes each of preschoolers and i had a TPR blast this morning, </font></div><div><font size="2">with a good chunk of </font>actions... which they enjoyed </div>
<div><font size="2">after our morning prayer song... when they're calm.<br>It actually becomes a good foundation not only for imperatives,</font></div><div>but it gets them "quiet" and "listening" so that when we move </div>
<div>from commands into pointing out our body parts using songs and </div><div>incorporating verbs...and then counting ...it flows nicely.</div><div><div class="gmail_quote">I also find it helps me "stay in the language"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">for much longer periods of time.</div><div class="gmail_quote">so again tizhamëh!</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">ske:noh</div><div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Heather Souter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hsouter@gmail.com">hsouter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Taanshi, Paula and Richard,<br><br>This sounds really good! Especially about the part that WHEN the children are READY to speak they will! It is a really natural, stress-free approach! No wrong, no right, no stress! Relaxed learning that is engaging---great!<br>
<br>Eekoshi.<br><font color="#888888">Heather</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Paula Meyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pmeyer8@cox.net" target="_blank">pmeyer8@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Richard, just a little answer: Start with 2nd p
plural so they all do it. Native speakers of Kumeyaay like to put the word
for "all" with this. Later, when you are sure some can do it, switch
to 2nd p singular and use those students as models. You could also use the
dual with two students in between the sing and the pl since it's less
threatening to do something with a partner; also, it's part of the
language. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Also, when they get ready to SAY where something is, they
will.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Paula</font></div><font color="#888888">
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<a title="rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" target="_blank">Richard Zane
Smith</a> </div>
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</div><div><div></div><div><div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:10
AM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ILAT] suggestions
anyone?</div>
<div><br></div><font size="2">
<div>Paula (and ALL of you) thanks!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've been enjoying the youtube videos of TPR in action</div>
<div>but i assure you I WILL get the book which sounds excellent.<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b>wandat</b> (Wyandot) hasn't had fluent elders
in a 100 years</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">In order for me to implement TPR which in some forms
i've accidently done already,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">(Though i get most of the kids singing some
"vocabulary" from day one)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">I have to "create" the material first.
--from scratch. (((no elders to ask,of course)))</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">I have to search from our "word lists" and "root/stem
lists"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">attempt a construction, send it off via email to a busy
linguist</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">(who is not paid by our tribe for any work he
volunteers) </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">wait for up to a week get an "ok" or "a correction"
with excellent persuasive reasons.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Imperatives have their unique status and problems. Not
about rudeness...but...</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b>raise your hand
!</b> ...ok....</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">should i start with introducing 2p singular? ,
or 2p plural? , definitely not 2p dual !</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">or is it better to DROP imperatives all together and
start with actions I can "join in" ? </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">1p plural inclusive: </div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b>now, we all raise our hand(s) we
stand - we sit - we walk</b></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><b><br></b></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">as you can see there's no prepackaged language course
for me to simply follow</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and its why I appreciate ALL the suggestions
given.</div></div>
<div><br></div></font>After the first day children know when i'm asking
"where?" something is
<div>because I'm using gestures and pretending to look around puzzled.</div>
<div>( to get them to respond in wandat will take longer!)<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">4 yr old pre-school numbers: we work up to
"twenty" (they sing it)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">K- 5th the kids realize that all the other numbers are
"easy"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">once they memorize the foundational "number
song".</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">they LOVE having me put (ex) 5432 on
the board for them to verbalize..</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">but i'm rambling and using your time, have a great
thanksgiving!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">much to be thankful for!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard Zane Smith </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Wyandotte Oklahoma,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Paula Meyer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pmeyer8@cox.net" target="_blank">pmeyer8@cox.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Richard, I have used TPR for Kumeyaay, and it has
gone over very well and people have learned a lot and liked it.
The lessons are very happy events. It has to be adapted
culturally, e.g. direct commands are considered rude in a lot of languages
and the vocabulary is not always appropriate, but this is easily
changed. You have to teach and practice it with
the teachers. If you get Asher's basic book Learning another language
through actions (<a href="http://www.tpr-world.com" target="_blank">www.tpr-world.com</a>), you can adapt it, and the teachers can
do it once they understand the concept. We practice before each
lesson. You might want to look at TPR Storytelling too, another of
Asher's books. .Since you are dealing with preschoolers, they probably don't
need all of this; in my experience, they get bored with the structure and
need a more natural situation. However, it may give your teachers
something to hold onto that's a language-teaching "method," and they might
feel more secure. If your teachers are into "research," there are tons
of it to support not changing back and forth between languages, especially
with the majority language. I hate to keep beating this horse,
but do you have any videos of language nests? They could look at those
if they can't visit one, because preschoolers are such little sponges
in any language, and seeing it in action might help them get rid of the
majority language in their interactions with the children. Good
luck. Your efforts will be rewarded when you hear those little kids
talking to each other in their heritage language.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Paula</font></div><font color="#888888"></font>
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 24, 2010
4:29 PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ILAT] suggestions
anyone?</div>
<div><br></div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div><font size="2">thanks Dorothy,</font>
<div><font size="2">I have been hearing reference to TPR in some seminars
I've attended</font></div>
<div><font size="2">but haven't seen anything indepth. I'll look into
it</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I do use my body alot while i'm teaching and
gestues,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">which is how we all learned our first language (without
translations!)<br></font><br></div>
<div> i also use puppets animals who "talk" ,so i can model
conversations</div>
<div>between myself and puppets...which ALSO means </div>
<div>there becomes more than one Language Speaker in the room!<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">its nice to hear the advice</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and to simply be able to talk with people who know
its value!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"> tizhameh (thanks)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:18 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Dmark916@aol.com" target="_blank">Dmark916@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Richard, what you are doing invites a special legacy for the
people, and even though it may not seem to be valued, it lights a way
for language to flourish. Many years ago (like the 1970's) Berty
Seigle developed a technique call Total Physical Response (TPR). As you
are exposing very young children to language, please consider using her
approach, as it involves movement and action in language learning.
Gradually the children anticipate the language and begin using it
themselves, not in a word-by-word context, but actually in descriptive
ways. There is no "translation" necessary. And the teachers, looking on
or looking in, can become involved as well.</div>
<div>While some teacher inservice workshops might be helpful, without
administrative backing they might just be resented. Try the TPR approach
(or some iteration of it) instead.</div>
<div>In Spirit,</div>
<div>Dorothy Martinez-K</div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 11/24/2010 6:41:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" target="_blank">rzs@WILDBLUE.NET</a>
writes:</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px"><font style="background-color:transparent" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font size="2">thanks Doug and Natasha,<br>
</font>good way to
explain it about not "giving away the answer" in class.<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">the books (Natasha) sounds excellent...another
project! for me to look into.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">(sounds like i need to have some meetings with
these teachers)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Its tough because ...sadly: <b>I'm it</b>. I'm
our local language revitalization effort,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">which is foolish and even ridiculous. there is
no language committee in our tribe</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and if anythings going to happen its because
I'm insane enough to volunteer to</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">attempt it on my own....and this is the 6th
year of me ..."doing it alone"</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">You all who have healthy language/culture
revitalization efforts</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Have something to thank the Creator for.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Just don't forget about some of us foolish
ones, winging it alone,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">carrying the whole weight but determined not to
give up..even if it kills us.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">'preciate having some pros to bounce ideas upon
here on ILAT!</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">ske;noh</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Natasha L
Warner <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:nwarner@u.arizona.edu" href="mailto:nwarner@u.arizona.edu" target="_blank">nwarner@u.arizona.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">I think Leanne Hinton's book that's actually a
guide to the Master<br>Apprentice program, _How to Keep your
Language Alive_, has some good<br>explanations of why immersion
without translation is the way to go. Maybe<br>something in
that would help you with how to explain it to the teachers.<br>It's
a challenging issue--even people who really know better
about<br>immersion so often want to just "help" by providing
translation.
Good<br>luck.<br><br>Natasha<br><br>*******************************************************************************<br>Natasha
Warner<br>Associate Professor, Department of
Linguistics<br>University of Arizona<br>PO Box 210028<br>Tucson, AZ
85721-0028<br>U.S.A.<br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px">"It
is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."</p>
<p style="text-align:right;padding:0px 10px 10px;margin:0px 0px 1em"><span style="font-size:x-small">- Frederick
Douglass</span></p></span></i><br></font></blockquote></div></div></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px">"It
is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."</p>
<p style="text-align:right;padding:0px 10px 10px;margin:0px 0px 1em"><span style="font-size:x-small">- Frederick
Douglass</span></p></span></i><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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<i>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px;display:inline ! important">"those
who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have,nor do
they deserve,either one." <span style="font-size:x-small">Benjamin Franklin</span></p></i></span><i></i>
<p></p>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px"><span style="line-height:normal;font-style:normal;border-collapse:separate;font-family:arial;font-size:small"><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></i></span></p>
<i>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px;display:inline ! important">"its
easier to build strong children than repair broken men" <span style="font-size:x-small">Frederick
Douglas</span></p></i><i>
<p></p></i><i></i>
<p></p>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px"><i></i></p><i>
<p></p></i><i></i>
<p></p>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px"><span style="line-height:normal;font-style:normal;border-collapse:separate;font-family:arial;font-size:small"><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></i></span></p>
<i>
<p style="padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px;display:inline ! important"><br><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">"It is easier to build strong
children than to repair broken men"</font></p></i><span style="line-height:normal;font-style:normal;border-collapse:separate;font-family:arial;font-size:small"><i><span style="line-height:19px;font-style:normal;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><i><i>
<p style="text-align:right;padding:0px 10px 10px;margin:0px 0px 1em;display:inline ! important"><span style="font-size:x-small">- Frederick
Douglass</span></p></i></i></span><i></i></i></span><i>
<p></p></i><i></i>
<p></p>
<p style="text-align:right;padding:10px 10px 0px;font-style:italic;margin:0px"><i></i></p><i>
<p></p></i><i></i>
<p></p></i><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><i><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;line-height:19px;border-collapse:collapse"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:10px;font-style:italic">
<span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;line-height:normal;font-size:small"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;line-height:19px;border-collapse:collapse"></span></i></span></p>
<i><span style="font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:10px;font-style:italic">Bread for myself is a material question. Bread for my neighbor is a spiritual one."<span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;line-height:normal"><i><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-style:normal;line-height:19px;border-collapse:collapse"><i><span style="font-style:normal"></span></i></span></i></span></p>
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"its easier to build strong children than repair broken men" <span style="font-size:x-small">Frederick Douglas</span><p></p></i><i><p></p></i><i></i><p></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:10px;font-style:italic">
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