yeah,Rolland, <b>sorry</b> you couldn't find out more,<div>What this <i><b>"sorry" investigation</b></i> could challenge us with is a good response to any past abusive regime/institution </div><div>who seeks to create the performance of "public apology" with our tribal members.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We can respond saying,"<i>nice thought" but, this doesn't really compute in our languages or cultural practices(you tried to eradicate) </i></div><div><i>as it further asks of us to leave our own cultural moorings aside and apply our thinking within your colonizers paradigm where "apology" </i></div>
<div><i>especially "public apology" has become a public artform/media event to arouse emotions,and make news coverage.</i></div><div><i>If however, you (the abuser) (or past abuser) would like to help our community heal , donate time, medicines ,energy, capitol,legal services,</i></div>
<div><i>to right the wrongs as "gifts to ease our grief" then it would be perfectly acceptable form and traditionally sensitive as well.<br></i><br></div><div>these are usually the kinds of situations that catch us off guard and often elected tribal officials even LOVE this media stuff,</div>
<div>and the sense of "power" it pretends to bestow. good photo ops and newspaper coverage for their portfolio,and office walls.</div><div>i try not to be cynical,but i keep seeing this over and over,where traditional governments are replaced with <a href="http://U.S.gov">U.S.gov</a>. look-a-likes.</div>
<div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">ske:noh</div><div class="gmail_quote">Richard</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikinakn@shaw.ca">mikinakn@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>Hi Richard...I have consulted the ‘sages’ of the ‘sweetgrass’ and, as I
figured with ‘anishnabemowin’, there is no direct transference back and forth
between our language and ‘I’m sorry’ or ‘forgive me’. </div>
<div>The closest we could come is to say ‘ni mahnandum’ and which translates
literally as, ‘I think negatively about.....’ and that ‘something’ has to be
identifiable in the statement. We have no ‘blanket’ words equivalent to the
panacea of ‘I’m sorry....’ Anishnabemowin is not an abstract language or
abstractly speculative....</div>
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<div>I’m sorry I couldn’t come up with more...<img style="border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none" alt="Winking smile" src="cid:5A4A0439BD434AB6BB3EF720BC05DD8E@RolandHP"> I think I will cross post
this to Netrez-L. It should interest a few people there and perhaps elicit more
responses.</div>
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<div style="font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#000000;font-size:12pt">_______<br>wahjeh<br>rolland
nadjiwon<br>------------------------------------------------------------------<br>"there
was a time when we could list the problems...<br>not anymore...<br>the situation
has outdistanced our ability to understand it...."</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" href="mailto:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET" target="_blank">Richard Zane Smith</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:20 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Native peoples ask Jesuits to help preserve language
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<div>it would be an interesting study:</div>
<div>the anthropological cultural psychological apologetics of a culture of
apologies.</div>
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<div>what is the root of : "i'm sorry" , " forgive me" </div>
<div>are there any indigenous cultures who use similar words.</div>
<div>Wyandot have a word that is translated as "I'm sorry"
<b>a'yetate'</b></div>
<div>but honestly i don't really know what that means...</div>
<div>rzs</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikinakn@shaw.ca" target="_blank">mikinakn@shaw.ca</a>></span>
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<div>I simply respond to people who ‘apologize’ to me or say, ‘I’m sorry....’
‘Please don’t apologize to me or tell me you are sorry...just don’t do it
again and/or fix it.’ Apologies, to me, are simply a license to repeat
inappropriate action and I will not allow myself to be victimized by an
apology. I see people repeatedly victimized by their willingness to ‘forgive’
perpetrators. </div>
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<div style="font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#000000;font-size:12pt">_______<br>wahjeh<br>rolland
nadjiwon<br>------------------------------------------------------------------<br>"there
was a time when we could list the problems...<br>not anymore...<br>the
situation has outdistanced our ability to understand it...."</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="hardman@UFL.EDU" href="mailto:hardman@UFL.EDU" target="_blank">Dr. MJ Hardman</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:27 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Native peoples ask Jesuits to help preserve language
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<div style="font-style:normal;display:inline;font-family:'Calibri';color:#000000;font-size:small;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:14pt">
<div>Well said. Some of us study the ‘apologies that aren’t
apologies.’ MJ<br><br></div>
<div>On 5/25/11 2:10 PM, "Richard Zane Smith"
<<a>wlmailhtml:rzs@WILDBLUE.NET</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></span></font>
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<div>on a similar note:<br>Public apologies are big media events
and becoming "the in thing"<br>Apologies ought to accompany a commitment to
undo damage that's confessed to,<br>not simply a time for the abuser to get
a hug and made to "feel better".<br><br>as much as apologies are nice...many
tack on disclaimers in fine print at the end<br>to make sure no one can
legally hold them accountable to their admissions.<br><br>a public apology
puts Indigenous people ON THE SPOT.<br><br>To <b>refuse</b> to accept a
public apology makes indigenous people look "unforgiving" and mean,<br>and
the "apologizers" as the ones turned away for seeking to right a
wrong.<br>but<br>to <b>accept </b>apology gives the abuser documentation of
"a public forgiveness" <br>a freedom from guilt, a sigh of relief that they
may be now free from prosecution.<br><br>Either way,an apology without
committment to work to heal or undo damage,<br>is merely an emotional "feel
good event" for the party with dirty hands.<br><br><br>ske:noh,<br>Richard
Zane Smith<br>Wyandotte Oklahoma<br><br><br><br></div>
<div>On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Phillip E Cash Cash
<<a>wlmailhtml:cashcash@email.arizona.edu</a>>
wrote:<br></div></span></font>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:14pt">Native peoples ask Jesuits to help preserve
language<br><br>May. 23, 2011<br>By Michael Swan, Catholic News
Service<br>CA<br><br>TORONTO -- As Canada's Jesuits remembered their first
steps on North<br>American soil and the welcome they received from Mi'kmaq
people 400<br>years ago, the Mi'kmaq asked for a favor.<br><br>"Maybe it's
time for the Mi'kmaq to ask for your help in preserving<br>our language,"
Grand Keptin Antle Denny told three dozen Canadian<br>Jesuits and about
100 guests who had gathered to mark the 1611 landing<br>of two Jesuits at
Port Royal in what is now Nova Scotia.<br><br>Access full article
below:<br><a href="http://ncronline.org/news/native-peoples-ask-jesuits-help-preserve-language" target="_blank">http://ncronline.org/news/native-peoples-ask-jesuits-help-preserve-language</a><br></span></font></blockquote>
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<div><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:14pt"><br>Dr. MJ Hardman<br>Professor of Linguistics and
Anthropology<br>Department of Linguistics<br>University of Florida,
Gainesville, Florida<br>Doctora Honoris Causa UNMSM, Lima, Perú
<br>website: <a href="http://grove.ufl..edu/~hardman/" target="_blank">http://grove.ufl..edu/~hardman/</a> <br></span></font></div>
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