<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{"type":1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{"type":3}"><a href="http://www.thickdarkfog.com/?page_id=11" target="_blank" rel="nofollow nofollow" onmousedown='UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this), "JAQEpVOWKAQE2OwW9YFSXw3WKqKnU7dGBk3n_0HxPd5MDmQ", event, bagof(null));'><span>http://www.thickdarkfog.com/</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span>?page_id=11</a></span></h6><br>watch the thick dark fog trailer it says alot on the why's of this topic.<br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 3/29/12, Rudolph C Troike/LingFacultyRetired/UA <i><rtroike@EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Rudolph C Troike/LingFacultyRetired/UA <rtroike@EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU><br>Subject: Re: [ILAT] I wonder if this would be true
for Native languages<br>To: ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<br>Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 10:54 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Rolland's rant is right on the mark -- don't apologize! The 70's were a great<br>period of optimism and hope, once the Viet Nam war was over, but brought to<br>an end by the Reagan Revolution. Certainly great things seemed possible, and<br>were, but the possibilities were rarely realized, or at least sustained.<br><br>Germane to Rolland's point that language loss is just a symptom, some of you<br>may have seen the program "The Corporation" on LinkTV -- it you haven't you<br>should try to find it on LinkTV.org. In the early part, the narrator tells<br>of her experience living with an isolated group high in the Himalayas, who<br>carried on a millenia-old self-sufficient and self-satisfying culture, until<br>the government built a road into the area so that the 'benefits' of commerce<br>and 'civilization' could be brought to the
people. The result has been a loss<br>of self-sufficiency, dependence on imported foods and drinks, division of the<br>egalitarian society into better-off and poor, development of crime, etc., etc.<br>And of course, a decline in the language, as the national language and English<br>(for tourists) intrudes and marginalizes the language along with the culture.<br><br>As the program shows, the massive international financial and commercial<br>forces act as a juggernaut which overwhelms local traditional cultures (even<br>long-established cultures like the Chinese -- most young Chinese have lost<br>a huge amount of everyday traditional Chinese culture, so it is not just<br>small traditional societies which are caught up in this gigantic process).<br><br>How to resist -- to fight back? Rolland and Richard and others on this list<br>have been there, and bravely done that, but it takes more than one, though<br>the perseverance of one person can change the
world. We can't stop techno-<br>logical change or urbanization, both alienating forces vis-a-vis traditional<br>technology and culture, which also erode language vitality when the language<br>is seen as no longer functional. If one said that English should only be used<br>for talking about pre-Industrial Revolution topics, and vocabulary should be<br>limited to that in use in 1500, the language would quickly become moribund,<br>retained only be antiquarians and used only in religious services and for<br>Shakespearean plays. If a Native language is actively made functional to use<br>for currently relevant purposes, young people can see it as meaningful and<br>worth learning.<br><br>The history of English itself shows that openness to borrowing vocabulary<br>does not pose a threat to the language itself. Native English words are<br>still dominant for use around the house and for family matters, but in any<br>advanced text, 80% or more of the vocabulary is
borrowed. In Bolivia and<br>Peru, Quechua (and Aymara) still enjoys functionality -- despite threats<br>from Spanish -- in part because many vocabulary items have been incorporated<br>over the centuries from Spanish. Functionality -- and the perception of<br>functionality -- is a key factor.<br><br>I like Cathy's experience of learning how to prepare fish for smoking from<br>a YouTube demonstration -- that's embracing and utilizing technology in a<br>functional way, not just relegating the culture and language to a dusty<br>museum. The ILAT list, thanks to Phil Cash Cash, is THE place to share ideas<br>and even come up with new ones.<br><br> Rudy<br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>