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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700203302-17062012>Thanks Rudy...with a
different approach to the supposed information, I arrived at the same
conclusions you make with your final statement. The checkerboard of juridical
boundaries has over whelmed the pre-colonial patterns of movement and
relationships of peoples and cultures, at least, in the Americas. Most of the
old stories tell of people moving north to south and vice versa. Groups of
people would go South travelling for up to three years or so and return with
parrot feathers and cocoa laves for medicine. Also, the major migrations of
birds, buffalo, butterflies and etc. were and still are North South
movements.The people moved North and South following these migrations which were
sustenance. The East West movement is probably postcolonial and probably as a
direct result of the fur trades and the European passionate indulgence in a
search for a passage to the wealth of the Orient.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=700203302-17062012>Forth years ago a
Cherokee and Anthropologist friend of mine would tease me that civilization grew
North out of Mexico and colonization has not changed that. He would tell me to
not be surprised when some morning I wake up and there is a Taco Bell being
built up across the street. We would laugh about this but I have watches how the
adopted language of Spanish/Mexican has moved, in a 40 year period, across the
American/Canadian borders into Canada. He has long since passed and our daughter
married a Spanish American youth from Tucson and my two eldest Grandchildren are
Spanish American, Apache, Potowatomi, Odawa and Ojibwa...there is also some
European but that certainly keeps getting watered down. And now, my Great
Granddaughter, 9 months, is Spanish American, Apache, Cree, Odawa, Potowatomi
and Ojibwa. Again there is a watered down mitochondrial connection to some
Europeans...there may be a bit of French or English or maybe Scottish. I am
often complimented by having Spanish/Mexican people assuming I am Mexican and
speaking to me in Spanish. That I cannot, usually embarrasses both of us....so,
before I get off topic, I think there is as much or even more practical evidence
to indicate the greater movement on a North South axis. Numbers can be skewed by
any bookie science but the major North South highways being built on old Indian
trails or along migration paths of buffalo and other wildlife is much more a
part of the story of the earth itself. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left>wahjeh</DIV>
<DIV align=left>rolland nadjiwon</DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333"> <FONT color=#000000> “in the cabaret of
globalization, the state appears as a stripper — </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333"><FONT color=#000000>it strips off all its characteristics
until only the bare essential remains: repressive force.” SubCommander
Marcos...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Troike, Rudolph C -
(rtroike)<BR><B>Sent:</B> June-16-12 1:26 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ILAT] How geography shapes
cultural diversity (fwd link)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman">Well,
if you take out all sorts of things like mountains, oceans, and other obstacles
to population movement, <BR>the differences between ecological zones generally
makes it easier to move laterally than vertically. There <BR>is clear evidence
in the English invasion-settlement of North America, settlers tended to move
westward <BR>into ecologically compatible zones -- you can't plant cotton in
North Dakota, nor grow wheat very successfully <BR>in Alabama. But the Romans
moved from lower Italy to northern Britain, the Egyptians consolidated the
<BR>length of the Nile, and then went north as far as Syria (but not east or
west), the Austronesians (depending <BR>on whose story you accept), may have
spread from Taiwan all the way south to Indonesia before turning <BR>eastward,
and the Uto-Aztecans spread in one direction as far south as Guatemala and as
far north as Utah. <BR>But Algonkians covered the whole breadth of Canada and
even into northern California, as well as down <BR>the east coast to Virginia.
Simplistic ideas of taking a political boundary (usually a late one) and using
that <BR>as a boundary for measuring diversity, are just that -- ignorantly
simplistic, no matter how sophisticated the <BR>mathematic mumbo-jumbo is.
<BR><BR> Rudy Troike<BR> University of
Arizona<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR>ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</FONT>
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face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Rolland Nadjiwon [mikinakn@SHAW.CA]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:24 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: How geography shapes
cultural diversity (fwd link)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=499091921-12062012>So...do you have an
opinion on this and if so, I would appreciate reading it....or anyone
else...particularly indigenous people on the list....probably worded wrong but
not meant to be exclusive or chauvinistic(not a gender
statement)...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left>wahjeh</DIV>
<DIV align=left>rolland nadjiwon</DIV>
<DIV align=left>_____________________________________</DIV><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333"> <FONT color=#000000> “in the cabaret of
globalization, the state appears as a stripper — </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333"><FONT color=#000000>it strips off all its characteristics
until only the bare essential remains: repressive force.” SubCommander
Marcos...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT>
<DIV> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Indigenous Languages and Technology
[mailto:ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Phillip E Cash
Cash<BR><B>Sent:</B> June-12-12 1:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ILAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> [ILAT] How geography shapes
cultural diversity (fwd link)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT face=georgia,serif>How geography shapes cultural
diversity<BR><BR>Study offers evidence that long countries give better
protection to languages than those that are wide.<BR><BR>Zoë Corbyn<BR>11 June
2012<BR><BR>One reason that Eurasian civilizations dominated the globe is
because they came from a continent that was broader in an east–west direction
than north–south, claimed geographer Jared Diamond in his famous 1997 book Guns,
Germs and Steel. Now, a modelling study has found evidence to support this
'continental axis theory'.<BR><BR>Continents that span narrower bands of
latitude have less variation in climate, which means a set of plants and animals
that are adapted to more similar conditions. That is an advantage, says Diamond,
because it means that agricultural innovations are able to diffuse more easily,
with culture and ideas following suit. As a result, Diamond's hypothesis
predicts, along lines of latitude there will be more cultural homogeneity than
along lines of longitude.<BR><BR>To test that prediction, researchers at
Stanford University in California used language persistence as a proxy for
cultural diversity, and analysed the percentage of historically indigenous
languages that remain in use in 147 countries today relative to their shape. For
example, the team looked at the difference between Chile, which has a long
north–south axis, and Turkey, which has a wider axis running east to
west.<BR><BR>Access full article below:<BR><A
href="http://www.nature.com/news/how-geography-shapes-cultural-diversity-1.10808"
target=_blank>http://www.nature.com/news/how-geography-shapes-cultural-diversity-1.10808</A><BR></FONT></FONT><A></A>
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