<div dir="ltr"><div>Dagot'ee (How are things going?) to all:</div><div> </div><div>This discussion brings to mind our Athabaskan family languages including Navajo, and my own, White Mountain Apache, with their complexities in verb morphology, etc. and an example of a non-Apache speaker contacting me requesting info on why our Apache place names can't be "shortened" to the way English is. An example was the term, Dischii'bik'oh, or the name of a community here. It's a descriptive term as many Apache words are that are difficult to translate specifically into English correctly. Sometimes there are no English words that are equal in meaning. Though I'm fluent in both, I find it hard to translate but is something like, "Streak of red among rocks down below a cliff (or in the valley). Or why cant we just say more simply was his question. I found it difficult to respond accurately since I'm not a trained linguist aware of correct terms or theories, all I am aware of is that we cannot simplify terms easily. I also gave a couple of examples in an article I wrote years ago in one of the publications from SIL conference in Flagstaff in my work with a linguistics professor. I do agree that context is the essence of our language and the social status and gender of the speaker.</div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div>Berni Santamaria</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Claire Bowern <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clairebowern@gmail.com" target="_blank">clairebowern@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi everyone,<div>I've heard fairly frequent complaints of language speakers reading reference grammars written by outsiders that some of the example sentences are either ungrammatical or sound strange (that is, not wrong exactly, but not something that a speaker of the language would ever say). Has anyone written about this? I'm looking for published discussion in particular (I want to refer to it in an article) but examples from languages you know would also be ok. </div>
<div>Thanks in advance!</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Claire</div></font></span></div>
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