GREEK PREHISTORY AND IE (EVIDENCE?)

[Stefan Georg]

>SG>the paragraph above is simply wrong.

>.. Though SG is known as an expert in Tungus and Mongolian langs, not the
>arguments nor our style of communication allow such a decision. I think
>also of the immense impact of Mongolian on Evenki (cf Doerfer M-T, 1985) -
>in this case also without a migration.

True. But it is hardly the case that the Mongolian influence on Ewenki
happened under the circumstances of the present distribution of these
languages. In NE Buryatia, there is physical contact even today, true
enough, but the large-scale M-E influence must antedate the spread of E to
(most of) its present habitat (e.g. touching the Yenissey in the West). And
this involves migration (on the part of the Ewenki).

> And according to Heissig (in Weiers
>1986) Turcic began to become the dominating lang of the Golden Horde since
>1262.

True again. But that's because Mongolian dominance there was only the
matter of a very thin layer of Mongolian lords and officials; the bulk of
the population there was never Mongolian-speaking.

>Of course SG is correct that Hungarian is an *Ugric* language by relating
>it to the Ob-Ugric languages. I apologize for the slipage.

So do I. I just couldn't resist the temptation to imagine Romy Schneider
speaking Ostyak or Vogul in one of those German post-war B-Movies ... ;-)

St.G.

PS: if you feel I should alter my tone or, for that matter, apologise for
it, OK, I didn't mean to sound too offensive and I hope noone feels unduly
under personal attack. On the other hand, is "wrong" really such an
offensive term ? I have been "wrong" myself more often than I really like
to admit, and welcome every correction to this effect, however ruthless.
It's the refreshing air of candor I'm after, like in most of Pat Ryan's
postings, to which I - much to the chagrin of our list-owner, who more than
once had to remind us that we've long since strained everyone's patience
beyond the limits - usually answer in the same spirit. But we're not
enemies, only antagonist thinkers. Polemike: me:te:r panto:n (but not
polemos).

Btw.: I feel much closer to your basic line of argumentation than I made
myself sound, it's only your examples I felt I had to take issue with.

St.G.

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