From ALDERSON at toad.xkl.com Fri Sep 22 19:44:50 2000 From: ALDERSON at toad.xkl.com (Rich Alderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:44:50 -0700 Subject: Indo-European list resumes service 1 October 2000 Message-ID: Dear readers, I thank you all for your patience in the last months, when the Indo-European list lay dormant due to circumstances beyond my control. The server from which the list originates was blacklisted as a spam haven, and I have had to spend a great deal of time modifying the mail system to deal with that fact, since it affects not only these lists, but e-mail in general for my company. At the same time, my professional responsibilities have blossomed, so that I have often not had the time to respond to queries about the list, for which I apologize. I could not make a general announcement to the list, for the same reasons which kept the usual traffic from going out. I propose to start sending out the mailing list again as of 1 October 2000. This message is intended to allow those who decide not to continue with the list time to unsubscribe. Finally, to remind everyone how this list is supposed to work, I include the latest version of the policy statement sent out as a welcome to new subscribers. 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A collegial atmosphere is encouraged: Disagreements may become heated, but personal attacks and insults are not allowed on the list. Think of this list as the departmental lounge rather than the lecture hall, or the hallways at a conference rather than the auditorium where the speakers are presenting papers. If you have a problem with the manner in which a list member expresses himself or herself, take it up with the author, not with the moderator or on the list. HTML messages, and binary files of whatever size, will not be posted to the list. It is preferable that non-ASCII characters be MIME-encoded, because the system on which the list resides is not capable of dealing with 8-bit character sets. I hope this list will meet everyone's expectations. Rich Alderson List owner and moderator From bao at cphling.dk Thu Sep 28 07:28:01 2000 From: bao at cphling.dk (Birgit Anette Olsen) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:28:01 +0200 Subject: conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A Conference on Indo-European Word Formation will take place at the University of Copenhagen October 20th - 22th. The program goes as follows: ****************************************************************************** Indo-European Word Formation - Inventory and Analysis: Friday 20.10: 09.45 - 10.00: Introduction 10.00 - 10.30: Rosemarie Luehr, Jena: Wortartwechsel in Konstruktionen mit einem Numerale 10.30 - 11.00: Michael Meier-Bruegger, Berlin: *swe-dheh1- 'sich selbst als (Akk.) fuer/zu (Dat.) bestimmen' 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Natalia Pimenova, Erlangen: Nominale Stammbildungssuffixe als Derivationsmittel im (Gemein)germanischen 11.45 - 12.15: Wojciech Smoczynski, Krakow: Composition in Slavic 12.15 - 12.45: Anatolij Polikarpov, Moskva: Universal and Typological Determined System Regularities in Indo-European Word Formation 12.45 - 14.15: Lunch 14.15 - 14.45: George Dunkel, Zuerich: The Zuerich Lexicon of IE Particles 14.45 - 15.15: Alexander Lubotsky, Leiden: The Leiden Indo-European Dictionary project 15.15 - 15.45: Sergei Starostin, Moskva: Etymological Databases on the Web 15.45 - 16.15: Coffee break 16.15 - 16.45: Paul S. Cohen, New York: A New Etymology for Latin Aquila 16.45 - 17.15: Martin Kuemmel, Freiburg: Zur o-Stufe in der idg. Verbalstammbildung Saturday 21.10 10.00 - 10.30: Michael Fortescue, Copenhagen: Grammaticalization in Tjukti and Eskimo languages 10.30 - 11.00: Fabrice Cavoto, Copenhagen: Indo-European, Eurasiatic or Noastratic derivation? 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Gordon Whittaker, Goettingen: Word Formation in Euphratic, a Mesopotamian Superstrate of Probable Indo-European Origin 11.45 - 12.15: Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen, Copenhagen: On the typology of Indo-European suffixes 12.15 - 12.45: Velizar Sadovski, Wien: Bahuvrihi-Komposita mit praedikativem bzw. partitivischem Attributverhaeltnis der Glieder 12.45 - 14.15: Lunch 14.15 - 14.45: Frank Heidermanns, Koeln: Italische Wortbildung 14.45 - 15.15: Karin Stueber, Zuerich: Morphologie und Semantik der s-staemmigen Kollektiva 15.15 - 15.45: Benedicte Nielsen, Jena: On the Latin reflexes of instrumental *-lo-, *-tlo- and *-slo- 15.45 - 16.15: Coffee break 16.15 - 16.45: Elisabeth Rieken, Berlin: Reste von e-Hochstufe im Formans hethitischer n-Staemme 16.45 - 17.15: Birgit Olsen, Copenhagen: The Complex of Nasal Stems in Indo-European. Sunday 22.10: 10.00 - 10.30: James Clackson, Cambridge: Internal Derivation 10.30 - 11.00: Alan Nussbaum, Cornell: Some Denominative u-stems in Greek and in Indo-European 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Brent Vine, UCLA: On PIE Full Grades in some Zero-Grade Contexts: *-ti- and *-to- 11.45 - 12.15: Britta Sofie Irslinger, Freiburg: Abstract formations with *-ti- and *-tu- in Old Irish and IE 12.15 - 12.45: Adam Hyllested, Copenhagen: On the Chronology of IE Adjective Formation 12.45 - 13.15: Jenny Larsson, Copenhagen: Compound Verbs in Indo-European 13.15 - 13.45: Konstantin Krasukhin, Moskva: The Most Archaic Features of Indo-European Word Formation Here is a list of not-too-expensive hotels: Top Hotel Hebron, Helgolandsgade 4, 1653 Copenhagen V, phone: 33 31 69 06, fax: 33 31 90 67 (single room 635 dkr) Absalon Hotel, Helgolandsgade 15, 1653 Copenhagen V, phone: 33 24 22 11, fax: 33 24 34 11 (single room 730 dkr) Hotel Kong Arthur, Noerre Soegade 11, 1370 Copenhagen K, phone: 33 11 12 12, fax: 33 32 61 30 (single room 845 dkr) Hotel Cab Inn, Danasvej 32-34, 1910 Frederiksberg C, phone: 33 21 04 00, fax: 33 21 74 09 (small single room 520 dkr) Hotel Amager, Amagerbrogade 29, 2300 Copenhagen S, phone: 32 54 90 14 ****************************************************************************** Potential participants are kindly asked to contact Birgit Olsen (bao), Institut for Almen og Anvendt Sprogvidenskab, University of Copenhagen, DK-2300 S, DENMARK, preferably via e-mail. From philps at univ-tlse2.fr Mon Sep 25 09:43:14 2000 From: philps at univ-tlse2.fr (Dennis Philps) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:43:14 +0100 Subject: *sr- roots in PIE Message-ID: Dear IEists, The silence has been deafening - it's good to see the list (and its owner) back! Question from a non-specialist : Given that the PIE initial consonant cluster system contains (however sporadically spread) not only *(s)+ stop roots, i.e. *(s)p-, *(s)k-, *(s)t-, but also *(s) + sonorant roots, i.e. *(s)m-, *(s)n-, *(s)l-, *(s)w-, and, plausibly *(s) + laryngeal roots (Hoenigswald 52, Southern 99, etc.), how come there appear to be no *(s)r- roots? Especially when *sreu- "flow" appears to enjoy the same semantico-structural relationship with *ser- "flow" as, for example, *skel- "cut" with *sek- "cut". Have any publications dealt with this apparent anomaly in the system? The only one I have found is Benveniste's paper ('Repartition des consonnes et phonologie du mot, 1939:35) in which he states that "it is probable that r and l were originally one single phoneme capable of splitting into two phonemic units while often maintaining its uniqueness" (my translation). There is also C. Friedrich's comment in "Sprachen" that Hittite has no initial r- in its PIE vocabulary. Many thanks for your thoughts, Dennis. From ALDERSON at toad.xkl.com Fri Sep 22 19:44:50 2000 From: ALDERSON at toad.xkl.com (Rich Alderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:44:50 -0700 Subject: Indo-European list resumes service 1 October 2000 Message-ID: Dear readers, I thank you all for your patience in the last months, when the Indo-European list lay dormant due to circumstances beyond my control. The server from which the list originates was blacklisted as a spam haven, and I have had to spend a great deal of time modifying the mail system to deal with that fact, since it affects not only these lists, but e-mail in general for my company. At the same time, my professional responsibilities have blossomed, so that I have often not had the time to respond to queries about the list, for which I apologize. I could not make a general announcement to the list, for the same reasons which kept the usual traffic from going out. I propose to start sending out the mailing list again as of 1 October 2000. This message is intended to allow those who decide not to continue with the list time to unsubscribe. Finally, to remind everyone how this list is supposed to work, I include the latest version of the policy statement sent out as a welcome to new subscribers. If you note differences from the reading when you first got a copy, remember that we all have more experience with the list than we did then. ******************************************************************************* Submissions for the list should be sent to indo-european at xkl.com Business messages (vacation holds, unsubscription, and the like) should go to indoeuropean-request at xkl.com Searchable archives of the list are available at the LinguistList.ORG web site: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/indo-european.html As a matter of policy, messages addressed to multiple recipients will not be posted to the list, to avoid the problems created by postings which quote, quite by accident, private messages from one list member to another. All postings to the list have a header Reply-To: Indo-European at xkl.com added to them to facilitate this policy. A collegial atmosphere is encouraged: Disagreements may become heated, but personal attacks and insults are not allowed on the list. Think of this list as the departmental lounge rather than the lecture hall, or the hallways at a conference rather than the auditorium where the speakers are presenting papers. If you have a problem with the manner in which a list member expresses himself or herself, take it up with the author, not with the moderator or on the list. HTML messages, and binary files of whatever size, will not be posted to the list. It is preferable that non-ASCII characters be MIME-encoded, because the system on which the list resides is not capable of dealing with 8-bit character sets. I hope this list will meet everyone's expectations. Rich Alderson List owner and moderator From bao at cphling.dk Thu Sep 28 07:28:01 2000 From: bao at cphling.dk (Birgit Anette Olsen) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:28:01 +0200 Subject: conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A Conference on Indo-European Word Formation will take place at the University of Copenhagen October 20th - 22th. The program goes as follows: ****************************************************************************** Indo-European Word Formation - Inventory and Analysis: Friday 20.10: 09.45 - 10.00: Introduction 10.00 - 10.30: Rosemarie Luehr, Jena: Wortartwechsel in Konstruktionen mit einem Numerale 10.30 - 11.00: Michael Meier-Bruegger, Berlin: *swe-dheh1- 'sich selbst als (Akk.) fuer/zu (Dat.) bestimmen' 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Natalia Pimenova, Erlangen: Nominale Stammbildungssuffixe als Derivationsmittel im (Gemein)germanischen 11.45 - 12.15: Wojciech Smoczynski, Krakow: Composition in Slavic 12.15 - 12.45: Anatolij Polikarpov, Moskva: Universal and Typological Determined System Regularities in Indo-European Word Formation 12.45 - 14.15: Lunch 14.15 - 14.45: George Dunkel, Zuerich: The Zuerich Lexicon of IE Particles 14.45 - 15.15: Alexander Lubotsky, Leiden: The Leiden Indo-European Dictionary project 15.15 - 15.45: Sergei Starostin, Moskva: Etymological Databases on the Web 15.45 - 16.15: Coffee break 16.15 - 16.45: Paul S. Cohen, New York: A New Etymology for Latin Aquila 16.45 - 17.15: Martin Kuemmel, Freiburg: Zur o-Stufe in der idg. Verbalstammbildung Saturday 21.10 10.00 - 10.30: Michael Fortescue, Copenhagen: Grammaticalization in Tjukti and Eskimo languages 10.30 - 11.00: Fabrice Cavoto, Copenhagen: Indo-European, Eurasiatic or Noastratic derivation? 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Gordon Whittaker, Goettingen: Word Formation in Euphratic, a Mesopotamian Superstrate of Probable Indo-European Origin 11.45 - 12.15: Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen, Copenhagen: On the typology of Indo-European suffixes 12.15 - 12.45: Velizar Sadovski, Wien: Bahuvrihi-Komposita mit praedikativem bzw. partitivischem Attributverhaeltnis der Glieder 12.45 - 14.15: Lunch 14.15 - 14.45: Frank Heidermanns, Koeln: Italische Wortbildung 14.45 - 15.15: Karin Stueber, Zuerich: Morphologie und Semantik der s-staemmigen Kollektiva 15.15 - 15.45: Benedicte Nielsen, Jena: On the Latin reflexes of instrumental *-lo-, *-tlo- and *-slo- 15.45 - 16.15: Coffee break 16.15 - 16.45: Elisabeth Rieken, Berlin: Reste von e-Hochstufe im Formans hethitischer n-Staemme 16.45 - 17.15: Birgit Olsen, Copenhagen: The Complex of Nasal Stems in Indo-European. Sunday 22.10: 10.00 - 10.30: James Clackson, Cambridge: Internal Derivation 10.30 - 11.00: Alan Nussbaum, Cornell: Some Denominative u-stems in Greek and in Indo-European 11.00 - 11.15: Coffee break 11.15 - 11.45: Brent Vine, UCLA: On PIE Full Grades in some Zero-Grade Contexts: *-ti- and *-to- 11.45 - 12.15: Britta Sofie Irslinger, Freiburg: Abstract formations with *-ti- and *-tu- in Old Irish and IE 12.15 - 12.45: Adam Hyllested, Copenhagen: On the Chronology of IE Adjective Formation 12.45 - 13.15: Jenny Larsson, Copenhagen: Compound Verbs in Indo-European 13.15 - 13.45: Konstantin Krasukhin, Moskva: The Most Archaic Features of Indo-European Word Formation Here is a list of not-too-expensive hotels: Top Hotel Hebron, Helgolandsgade 4, 1653 Copenhagen V, phone: 33 31 69 06, fax: 33 31 90 67 (single room 635 dkr) Absalon Hotel, Helgolandsgade 15, 1653 Copenhagen V, phone: 33 24 22 11, fax: 33 24 34 11 (single room 730 dkr) Hotel Kong Arthur, Noerre Soegade 11, 1370 Copenhagen K, phone: 33 11 12 12, fax: 33 32 61 30 (single room 845 dkr) Hotel Cab Inn, Danasvej 32-34, 1910 Frederiksberg C, phone: 33 21 04 00, fax: 33 21 74 09 (small single room 520 dkr) Hotel Amager, Amagerbrogade 29, 2300 Copenhagen S, phone: 32 54 90 14 ****************************************************************************** Potential participants are kindly asked to contact Birgit Olsen (bao), Institut for Almen og Anvendt Sprogvidenskab, University of Copenhagen, DK-2300 S, DENMARK, preferably via e-mail. From philps at univ-tlse2.fr Mon Sep 25 09:43:14 2000 From: philps at univ-tlse2.fr (Dennis Philps) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:43:14 +0100 Subject: *sr- roots in PIE Message-ID: Dear IEists, The silence has been deafening - it's good to see the list (and its owner) back! Question from a non-specialist : Given that the PIE initial consonant cluster system contains (however sporadically spread) not only *(s)+ stop roots, i.e. *(s)p-, *(s)k-, *(s)t-, but also *(s) + sonorant roots, i.e. *(s)m-, *(s)n-, *(s)l-, *(s)w-, and, plausibly *(s) + laryngeal roots (Hoenigswald 52, Southern 99, etc.), how come there appear to be no *(s)r- roots? Especially when *sreu- "flow" appears to enjoy the same semantico-structural relationship with *ser- "flow" as, for example, *skel- "cut" with *sek- "cut". Have any publications dealt with this apparent anomaly in the system? The only one I have found is Benveniste's paper ('Repartition des consonnes et phonologie du mot, 1939:35) in which he states that "it is probable that r and l were originally one single phoneme capable of splitting into two phonemic units while often maintaining its uniqueness" (my translation). There is also C. Friedrich's comment in "Sprachen" that Hittite has no initial r- in its PIE vocabulary. Many thanks for your thoughts, Dennis.