From g.morgan at city.ac.uk Tue Mar 1 13:26:37 2011 From: g.morgan at city.ac.uk (Gary Morgan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 05:26:37 -0800 Subject: Language impairment conference London June 2011 Message-ID: Information from Victoria Joffe Lost for Words: Lost for Life? A conference on Speech, Language and Communication Needs in older children and young people 15-17 June 2011 City University London, England. REGISTRATION OPENS: 1ST MARCH 2011 Registration is now open for this exciting conference, hosted jointly by City University, I CAN and Afasic. It is an applied research and practice conference covering new and ground breaking research and practice in the area of speech, language and communication difficulties in older children and young people. Speakers at the conference include:  Dr Nicola Botting, City University London  Professor Karen Bryan, University of Surrey  Professor Sarah-Jayne Blakemore, University College, London  Professor Susan Gathercole, University of York  Dr Nicola Grove, Openstorytellers  Dr Victoria Joffe, City University London  Professor David Messer, Open University  Professor Gary Morgan, City University, London  Professor Sue Roulstone, University of the West of England  Professor Pamela Snow, Monash University, Australia  Professor Maggie Snowling, The University of York, UK  Professor Jane Marshall, City University London The Rt. Hon. John Bercow will give an introductory address and a panel discussion will be held on the commissioning and nature of specialist services to older children and young people with SLCN. Workshops on “My Speech and Me” will also be led by young people with SLCN and their parents. Places are limited. Make sure you get a place by booking online: http://www.city.ac.uk/lcs/SLCN_Conf2011.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 08:28:58 2011 From: editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com (IASCL Child Language Bulletin Editor) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:28:58 -0800 Subject: IASCL 2011: Last Call for Early Registration (5 March 2011) Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We are putting together an exciting scientific program for the IASCL conference, this July in Montreal. Please, remember that one author or co-author must be registered for a presentation to be included in the scientific program. The deadline for early registration and reduced fees is in a few days, on March 5. If you have not already registered and are presenting (either at a symposium or poster session), please do register before the deadline -- as presentations for which there is no registered author will be withdrawn from the scientific program. We are very much looking forward to seeing all of you in Montreal. With best wishes, Henri Cohen http://www.iascl2011.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From vincenttorrens at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 12:05:06 2011 From: vincenttorrens at gmail.com (torrens) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 04:05:06 -0800 Subject: New Trends in Experimental Psycholinguistics: Call for Papers Message-ID: NEW TRENDS ON EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLINGUISTICS Madrid 29th-30th September 2011 Plenary Speakers Harald Clahsen (Essex University) Michael Ullman (Georgetown University) Call for papers We invite submissions on language processing, language acquisition or language disorders of phonetics, phonology, syllable structure, lexicon, morphosyntax or pragmatics using new experimental methods (eye tracking, reaction times, ERPs, fMRI, visual preference paradigm, genetics, neural networks) Deadline for submission: 1st april 2011 Acknowledgement of acceptance: 1st may 2011 Sonia Mariscal Facultad de Psicología U.N.E.D. C/ Juan del Rosal, 10 40424 Madrid Vicenç Torrens Facultad de Psicología U.N.E.D. C/ Juan del Rosal, 10 40424 Madrid http://www.linguistic-institute.info/experimental.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From kei at aya.yale.edu Tue Mar 8 12:11:05 2011 From: kei at aya.yale.edu (Nakamura, Kei) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 04:11:05 -0800 Subject: TCP2011 Message-ID: The 12the Tokyo Conference on Psycholinguistics (TCP 2011) The Institute of Cultural and Linguistic Studies of Keio University will be sponsoring the twelfth Tokyo Conference on Psycholinguistics (TCP 2011) on March 11 and 12, 2011 to be held at Kita-kan Hall, Keio University, Mita, Tokyo. The invited speakers are Dr. Jeffrey Lidz (University of Maryland) and Dr. Hisatsugu Kitahara (Keio University). For details, visit our website: http://www.otsu.icl.keio.ac.jp/tcp/ (TCP 2011 Program) Day 1 (March 11, 2011) 13:00-13:05 Opening Yukio Otsu (Keio University) 13:05-13:35 “On Grammatical Maturation” Cedric Boeckx (Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona) Chair: Takuya Goro (Ibaraki University) 13:35-14:05 “Is Statistical Learning Affected by Perceptual Reorganization?: Dutch Infants’ Sensitivity to Lexical Tone Discrimination” Liquan Liu and René Kager (Utrecht University) Chair: Takuya Goro (Ibaraki University) 14:05-14:35 “The Role of Prosodic Features in Communication Repair: A Study of Native and Non-native Speakers of Japanese and German” Yuki Asano (University of Konstanz) Chair: Yukiko Sugiyama (Keio University) Break 14:55-15:25 “The Disambiguation Effect as a Manifestation of Socio-pragmatic Competence” Marina Kalashnikova and Karen Mattock (Lancaster University) Chair: Miwa Isobe (Tokyo University of the Arts) 15:25-15:55 “Two Types of Benefactives in Child Japanese: A Preliminary Experimental Study” Reiko Okabe (Nihon University) Chair: Miwa Isobe (Tokyo University of the Arts) 15:55-16:25 “Children's Grammatical Conservatism: Evidence from the Acquisition of Case-markers and Postpositions in Japanese” Koji Sugisaki (Mie University) Chair: Yukio Otsu (Keio University) Break 16:40-17:40 (Invited Lecture) "Parser-grammar Interactions in the Acquisition of Syntax" Jeffrey Lidz (University of Maryland) Chair: Yukio Otsu (Keio University) RECEPTION Day 2 (March 12, 2011) 10:00-10:30 “Grammatical Encoding in the Production of Passive Sentence: Evidence from Structural Priming Effects in Japanese” Ying Deng (Hiroshima University), Hajime Ono (Kinki University) and Hiromu Sakai (Hiroshima University) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) 10:30-11:00 “Antecedent Selection of a Reflexive Pronoun in Bi-clausal Structure: An ERP Study in Japanese” Reiko Okabe (Nihon University), Yuki Kobayashi and Takane Ito (The University of Tokyo) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) 11:00-11:30 “Structural Expectations in Chinese Relative Clause Comprehension” Zhong Chen, Kyle Grove and John Hale (Cornell University) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) Lunch ------------------------------------------------------- 12:30-14:00 Poster Session “Universals and Uniqueness in Lexical Tone Perception” Ao Chen and René Kager (Utrecht University) “Re-examining the ¨NP/DP¨ Parameter in Light of the Diversity of East- Asian Classifiers” Youngmi Jeong (Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona) “Incremental Processing of Gap-filler Dependencies: Evidence from the Processing of Subject and Object Clefts in Japanese” Barış Kahraman (Hiroshima University), Atsushi Sato (Hiroshima University/Japan Society for Promotion of Science), Hajime Ono (Kinki University) and Hiromu Sakai (Hiroshima University) “String Vacuous Phonetically Inaudible Scrambling in Japanese” Hideaki Yamashita (Yokohama National University) -------------------------------------------- 14:00-14:30 “Uniqueness and Co-variation in Chinese Wh-conditionals” Qiong-peng Luo and Stephen Crain (Macquarie University) Chair: Masayuki Komachi (Shizuoka University) 14:30-15:00 “On the Adjunction-based Licensing of the Accusative Wh-adjunct Nani- o” Yasuhiro Iida (Osaka University) Chair: Masayuki Komachi (Shizuoka University) 15:00-15:30 “That-trace Reconsidered: Definiteness and Complementizer Agreement” Koji Shimamura (Osaka University) Chair: Akira Watanabe (The University of Tokyo) Break 15:45-16:45 (Invited Lecture) "Can Eagles That Fly Swim?: Guaranteeing the Simplest Answer to a New Puzzle“ Hisatsugu Kitahara (Keio University) Chair: Akira Watanabe (The University of Tokyo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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URL: From lempert at psych.utoronto.ca Wed Mar 9 11:25:57 2011 From: lempert at psych.utoronto.ca (Henrietta Lempert) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:25:57 -0500 Subject: EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: <570712.60815.qm@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: :( > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want  you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and  to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.          Thanks  > Elena >             > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From lempert at psych.utoronto.ca Wed Mar 9 11:33:27 2011 From: lempert at psych.utoronto.ca (Henrietta Lempert) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:33:27 -0500 Subject: EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: <570712.60815.qm@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elena, I just want to apologize for that reply - I've been deluged recently with requests to help various individuals retrieve millions from foreign bank accounts, etc etc and initially thought your letter was another instance. I can't help you but hope someone else will be able to do so. Again, apologies > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want  you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and  to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.          Thanks  > Elena >             > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From ebabatsouli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 11:33:54 2011 From: ebabatsouli at yahoo.com (Elena Babatsouli) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:33:54 -0800 Subject: Pls. IGNORE Re: EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pls. Ignore the following message. I have had HACKERS in my email !!!!   Elena Babatsouli --- On Wed, 9/3/11, Henrietta Lempert wrote: From: Henrietta Lempert Subject: Re: EMERGENCY To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 9 March, 2011, 6:25 > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want  you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and  to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.          Thanks  > Elena >             > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The project has investigated linguistic development and attitudes in beginners aged 5, 7 and 11 following a similar curriculum taught by the same teacher. The conference takes place over two days, one for education professionals and the other for researchers in the field of second language acquisition. The first day (Thursday 14th July) targets MFL teachers, teacher trainers, policy makers and education professionals. A film produced by the research team will document the teaching style used during the project and will be followed by a presentation of findings on the linguistic development of the children, and on the role of literacy, attitudes and motivation in each year group (Years 1, 3 and 7). A round-table discussion will follow. The second day (Friday 15th July) will focus on the project’s research agenda, and will include an opening keynote speech by Carmen Muñoz, from the University of Barcelona on the current state of play in research on the role of age in second language acquisition. The research team will then present its research findings. Topics covered will include: linguistic development (e.g. vocabulary and syntax,) the role of gestures in language teaching and learning, attitudes and motivation, as well as the role of working memory and literacy. A discussion will be led by Emma Marsden (University of York) and Dick Johnstone (University of Stirling) on the implications of the research for early language learning in the classroom and with suggestions for future research. Abstract submission A poster session will take on place on 15th July. Proposals are invited for posters on topics relating to age and second language acquisition. Abstracts should be 300 words maximum. Proposals should be submitted to liz.o’sullivan at ncl.ac.uk. Deadline for submission is 1st May 2011. Important dates: Deadline for abstracts: 1st May, 2011 Deadline for registration: 1st July, 2011 To register for the conference and for further details, visit the project website: www.flloc.soton.ac.uk/events.html Or contact: kevin.mcmanus at ncl.ac.uk or liz.o’sullivan at ncl.ac.uk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From sgrass at gmx.net Fri Mar 11 10:01:56 2011 From: sgrass at gmx.net (suse) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:01:56 +0100 Subject: adolescents' second language learning Message-ID: Dear colleagues, a friend who is teaching foreign languages at school is looking for information about studies (empirical papers as well as reviews) on how teenagers/adolescents learn languages. in particular she's interested in whether there is any research on the ways in which adolescents may differ from * adult* learners (e.g. with respect to learning strategies, memory capacities, motivation, etc.). I'd appreciate any suggestion for readings Thanks a lot Susanne Grassmann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Again, apologies > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want  you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and  to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.          Thanks  > Elena >             > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 02:44:47 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:44:47 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK Message-ID: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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It is entitled "Syntactic development, its > input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the > Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 04:01:40 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:01:40 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is,through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions."(p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > > > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new > book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic > development, its input and output" and a description of it, as > well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the > publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 04:07:17 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:07:17 +0200 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8187A4.8020605@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading > your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith > & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood > development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. > First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly > addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic > constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is,through > "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions."(p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of > that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio >> > > wrote: >> >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new >> book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic >> development, its input and output" and a description of it, as >> well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the >> publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> info-childes at googlegroups.com . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barriere.isa at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 04:34:45 2011 From: barriere.isa at gmail.com (isa barriere) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:34:45 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8188F5.9080704@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Hi, It is not very recent but there is the study below by PM Rollins and C. Snow. Yours, Isabelle Barriere, PhD - Journal of Child Language(1998), 25: 653-673 - Copyright © 1998 Cambridge University Press - - - Previous Abstract - Next Abstract ------------------------------ Shared attention and grammatical development in typical children and children with autism 1 ------------------------------ *PAMELA ROSENTHAL ROLLINS a1c1 * *and* *CATHERINE E. SNOW a2* a1University of Texas at Dallas, Callier Center for Communication Disorders a2Harvard Graduate School of Education Abstract The two studies presented here explore the relationship between children's pragmatic skills and their growth in grammar. In study 1, thirty normally developing children were videotaped interacting with their parents at 1;2 and again at 2;7. Using correlational and regression techniques, we found that pragmatic accomplishments of MUTUAL ATTENTION, as well as mother's conversational style, explained 45% of the variance in grammar at 2;7. The second study investigated pragmatic–grammatical relationships with data from 6 high-functioning children with autism. To control for individual variation in skill level at the start of the study, within-individual growth rates for grammar were estimated as our outcome. The results substantiated those of study 1, in that pragmatic accomplishments within mutual attention predicted the per month growth rate in grammar. We interpret these findings as consistent with the position that the infant's social-pragmatic skills contribute to the acquisition of grammar. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 10:03:16 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:03:16 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <4D81759F.6020601@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 10:09:49 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:09:49 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! Anat On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: > Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! > > Tamar > On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book >> by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, >> its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to >> the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue >> at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy > Language and Linguistic Science > V/B/220 > University of York > Heslington > York YO10 5DD > tel 01904 433614 > fax 01904 432673 > email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk > > > http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 14:02:13 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:02:13 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <4D81DDED.7050604@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: I'll let you know when it arrives, and thanks for sending it to me. I was hoping to get a copy again.... Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 10:09, Anat Ninio wrote: > Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! > > The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: >> >> Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! >> >> Tamar >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> Tamar Keren-Portnoy >> Language and Linguistic Science >> V/B/220 >> University of York >> Heslington >> York YO10 5DD >> tel 01904 433614 >> fax 01904 432673 >> email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk >> >> http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 14:03:22 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:03:22 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <897F5C23-2D89-4F33-8131-9AFB673D0B63@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sorry! I hadn't noticed I was sending this to the entire list... Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 14:02, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: > I'll let you know when it arrives, and thanks for sending it to me. I was hoping to get a copy again.... > > Tamar > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 10:09, Anat Ninio wrote: > >> Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! >> >> The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: >>> >>> Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! >>> >>> Tamar >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> Tamar Keren-Portnoy >>> Language and Linguistic Science >>> V/B/220 >>> University of York >>> Heslington >>> York YO10 5DD >>> tel 01904 433614 >>> fax 01904 432673 >>> email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk >>> >>> http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy > Language and Linguistic Science > V/B/220 > University of York > Heslington > York YO10 5DD > tel 01904 433614 > fax 01904 432673 > email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk > > http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm > > > > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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It is entitled "Syntactic >development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well >as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's >on-line catalogue at >http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > >I hope you'll like it! > >Anat Ninio > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Congratulations! Peter -- ____________________________________________________________________ Prof. Peter Cole Department of Linguistics and Cognitive Science University of Delaware Newark, DE 19716 USA 302-831-6829 (phone) 302-831-6896 (UD Linguistics fax) 503-217-8492 (e-fax personal fax [forwarded to me in my email]) pcole at udel.edu World Wide Web: http://www.ling.udel.edu/pcole/cole.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 17 21:20:21 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:20:21 -0400 Subject: CLAN for Mac OSX 10.4 Message-ID: Dear CLAN Users, Is anyone still using Mac OSX 10.4 with CLAN? If so, we need to warn you that we will have to discontinue support for Tiger in October. This is because Apple is dropping support for Tiger when 10.7 (Lion) comes out in October. When we then start compiling for Lion, we can no longer maintain versions for Tiger. Tiger (10.4) came out in 2007. It was then followed in 2009 by Leopard (10.5). If you have a non-Intel (aka PPC) Macintosh computer, then you can upgrade from Tiger to Leopard and you will still be able to run the new version of CLAN when we shift in October. In other words, we will then support 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7, but not 10.4. In a few cases, shifting from Tiger to Leopard can be difficult because Leopard takes more space than Tiger. So, I am curious about whether anyone is still using 10.4. If you are, please send me an individual reply to macw at cmu.edu, rather than replying to the list. Best wishes, -- Brian MacWhinney, CMU -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From pdaftaryfard at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 22:17:45 2011 From: pdaftaryfard at gmail.com (parisa Daftarifard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:47:45 +0330 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8188F5.9080704@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Parisa Daftarifard Phd Student of TEFL Islamic Azad University of Science and Research -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at cmu.edu Mon Mar 21 22:26:12 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:26:12 -0400 Subject: additional CLAN dialogs, iPad CLAN, XML CLAN Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We have been adding some features to CLAN that may interest some of you. They are: 1. CLAN programs now run inside the TalkBank web browser. For CHILDES, this browser is found at http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser. For TalkBank, it is found at http://talkbank.org/browser. 2. Leonid has added additional dialog buttons to CLAN's Commands window for "TIERS" and "SEARCH". Having these buttons is particularly useful for new users of CLAN, but it can also be helpful for experienced users who are having trouble with certain fussy details, particularly in regard to the SEARCH commands based on the +s switch. After selecting the program you wish to use, such as COMBO or FREQ, these buttons will become available. Hopefully, the interface is pretty intuitive. 3. The TalkBank browser (with its CLAN commands) can also run on iPhone and iPad using a standard browser. Because the iPad and iPhone do not support streaming media using Apple's Streaming server, Spencer Sugarman has created a separate demo site where you can see TalkBank materials broadcast using an alternative server called Wazoo. Curious iPhone and iPad devotees can see a demo by going to spencer.talkbank.org. You need JavaScript and pop-ups enabled. Over my wireless connnection here, the results were quite impressive, but slower connections might find it less impressive. 4. We have an initial existence proof of the running of CLAN programs through web browsers using XML. In a few weeks, there will be something there to try out also. -- Brian MacWhinney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 12:36:31 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development > or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic > bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved > in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a > poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is > especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear List, >> >> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your >> 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, >> is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Best wishes, Matthew Saxton. ********************************************************************************************************* [cid:image002.png at 01CBE8A7.F7597A90] Saxton Academic Homepage From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper Sent: 22 March 2011 12:37 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > wrote: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: congratulations, anat! hope to see you at srcd, nameera On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: > > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* > > > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though it? He > precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Matthew Saxton. > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper > *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued > that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous > syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's > remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready > to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get > into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so > if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An > anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < > pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Anat, > > > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development > or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic > bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved > in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a > poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is > especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > > > Best. > > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by > Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its > input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the > Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Parisa Daftarifard > > Phd Student of TEFL > > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sgrass at gmx.net Tue Mar 22 16:29:11 2011 From: sgrass at gmx.net (suse) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition"... Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to use it inappropriately? If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) regards, Suse Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: > Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we > went back to Panini, one > could probably find the idea earlier. > > Tom > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton > wrote: > > > ...... /embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ....../ > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve > though it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > Best wishes, > > Matthew Saxton. > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com > > [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper > *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I > argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a > simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in > Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax > is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has > to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without > pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is > true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > > wrote: > > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language > development or language development delay can occur because of > problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with > low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or > fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction > environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially > interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > > wrote: > > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually > I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be > said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by > "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm > reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. > Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early > childhood development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: > Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European > grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly > addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic > constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, > through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' > intentions."(p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know > of thatI should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new > book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic > development, its input and output" and a description of it, as > well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the > publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Parisa Daftarifard > > Phd Student of TEFL > > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 17:08:28 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:08:28 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D88CE57.6070003@gmx.net> Message-ID: It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form non-sense sentences---and possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how things are--going against context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an impossible one. this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment of liberation from context that we have to capture. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: > i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of > true acquisition"... > > Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to > use it inappropriately? > If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain > the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean > that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which > make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in > which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which > Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) > > regards, > Suse > > > > Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: > > Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we went > back to Panini, one > could probably find the idea earlier. > > Tom > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: > >> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >> >> >> >> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though it? >> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Matthew Saxton. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> >> Saxton Academic Homepage >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >> >> >> >> Anat--- >> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >> that children needed pragmatic >> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous >> syntactic and pragmatic >> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >> experience" I said to him that must include >> pragmatics and he agreed. >> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >> the cat was chased by the dog. >> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >> >> the milk was drunk by the boy >> >> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready >> to project a transformation, >> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >> into the object position somehow, >> do I have a mental operation to do it". >> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >> so if I tell a 3yr old: >> >> the cheese ate the mouse >> >> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >> anti-pragmatic ability is the >> sign of true acquisition. >> >> best, Tom Roeper >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Anat, >> >> >> >> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >> get enough input in a unilateral way. >> >> >> >> Best. >> >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >> Dear List, >> >> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your >> 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, >> is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> Phd Student of TEFL >> >> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 <413%20256%200390> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shanley at bu.edu Tue Mar 22 17:23:47 2011 From: shanley at bu.edu (Shanley Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: videotaping Message-ID: Hi Brian, I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about SLR camcorders. Are there pros or cons to those compared to the ones you've recommended? Best, Shanley. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From msyonata at huji.ac.il Tue Mar 22 17:49:02 2011 From: msyonata at huji.ac.il (Yonata Levy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:49:02 +0000 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts Yonata On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form > non-sense sentences---and > possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how > things are--going against > context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an > impossible one. > this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment > of liberation from context > that we have to capture. > > Tom > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: > >> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >> true acquisition"... >> >> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >> use it inappropriately? >> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain >> the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean >> that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which >> make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in >> which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which >> Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >> >> regards, >> Suse >> >> >> >> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >> >> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >> went back to Panini, one >> could probably find the idea earlier. >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >> >>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>> >>> >>> >>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though it? >>> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> >>> Matthew Saxton. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>> >>> >>> >>> Anat--- >>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >>> that children needed pragmatic >>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>> experience" I said to him that must include >>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>> >>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>> >>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>> ready to project a transformation, >>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >>> into the object position somehow, >>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >>> so if I tell a 3yr old: >>> >>> the cheese ate the mouse >>> >>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>> sign of true acquisition. >>> >>> best, Tom Roeper >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Anat, >>> >>> >>> >>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >>> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >>> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >>> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >>> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best. >>> >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nameera, >>> >>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>> >>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>> >>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>> >>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>> >>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>> >>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>> >>> Anat >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> Phd Student of TEFL >>> >>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Roeper >>> Dept of Lingiustics >>> UMass South College >>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>> 413 256 0390 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- *Prof. Yonata Levy* *Psychology Department * *and Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical School* *Mount Scopus* *Jerusalem 91905, ISRAEL* ** *tel:972-2-5883408 (o)* * 972-547905997 (c)* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I did a web search for that and didn't come up with anything clear. Can you provide a model number? --Brian MacWhinney On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Shanley Allen wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- > old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are > still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to > be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about > SLR camcorders. 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From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 17:54:21 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:54:21 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can call it a different one---but a lot of what we imagine is entirely in our heads, so how does it qualify as a context? On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Yonata Levy wrote: > Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? > Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts > Yonata > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form >> non-sense sentences---and >> possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how >> things are--going against >> context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an >> impossible one. >> this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment >> of liberation from context >> that we have to capture. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: >> >>> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >>> true acquisition"... >>> >>> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >>> use it inappropriately? >>> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to >>> maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above >>> statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand >>> sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in >>> other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way >>> round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >>> >>> regards, >>> Suse >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >>> >>> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >>> went back to Panini, one >>> could probably find the idea earlier. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >>> >>>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though it? >>>> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Matthew Saxton. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anat--- >>>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I >>>> argued that children needed pragmatic >>>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>>> experience" I said to him that must include >>>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>>> >>>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>>> >>>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>>> ready to project a transformation, >>>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to >>>> get into the object position somehow, >>>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >>>> so if I tell a 3yr old: >>>> >>>> the cheese ate the mouse >>>> >>>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>>> sign of true acquisition. >>>> >>>> best, Tom Roeper >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Anat, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language >>>> development or language development delay can occur because of problems in >>>> pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being >>>> involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live >>>> in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best. >>>> >>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Nameera, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>> >>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>> >>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>> >>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>> >>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>> >>>> Anat >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>> >>>> congratulations, anat! >>>> >>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>> >>>> nameera >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>> >>>> Phd Student of TEFL >>>> >>>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Roeper >>>> Dept of Lingiustics >>>> UMass South College >>>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>>> 413 256 0390 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. 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To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From msyonata at huji.ac.il Tue Mar 22 18:23:07 2011 From: msyonata at huji.ac.il (Yonata Levy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:23:07 +0000 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you wish to communicate than you need to share enough of the context If you "communicate" with yourself - there is an agreed upon context too, even if it is in your head. What difference does it make? On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > You can call it a different one---but a lot of what we imagine is entirely > in our heads, so how does it qualify as a context? > > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Yonata Levy wrote: > >> Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? >> Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts >> Yonata >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: >> >>> It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form >>> non-sense sentences---and >>> possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how >>> things are--going against >>> context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an >>> impossible one. >>> this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the >>> moment of liberation from context >>> that we have to capture. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: >>> >>>> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >>>> true acquisition"... >>>> >>>> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >>>> use it inappropriately? >>>> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to >>>> maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above >>>> statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand >>>> sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in >>>> other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way >>>> round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Suse >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >>>> >>>> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >>>> went back to Panini, one >>>> could probably find the idea earlier. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >>>> >>>>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though >>>>> it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Saxton. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>>>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>>>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anat--- >>>>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I >>>>> argued that children needed pragmatic >>>>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>>>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>>>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>>>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>>>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>>>> experience" I said to him that must include >>>>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>>>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>>>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>>>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>>>> >>>>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>>>> >>>>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>>>> ready to project a transformation, >>>>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to >>>>> get into the object position somehow, >>>>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>>>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without >>>>> pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: >>>>> >>>>> the cheese ate the mouse >>>>> >>>>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>>>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>>>> sign of true acquisition. >>>>> >>>>> best, Tom Roeper >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>>>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Anat, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language >>>>> development or language development delay can occur because of problems in >>>>> pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being >>>>> involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live >>>>> in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>>>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>>>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best. >>>>> >>>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear List, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Nameera, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>>> >>>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith >>>>> & J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>>> >>>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>>> >>>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>>> >>>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of >>>>> that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>>> >>>>> Anat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> congratulations, anat! >>>>> >>>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>>> >>>>> nameera >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>>> >>>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> 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Yonata Levy* >> *Psychology Department * >> *and Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical School* >> *Mount Scopus* >> *Jerusalem 91905, ISRAEL* >> ** >> *tel:972-2-5883408 (o)* >> * 972-547905997 (c)* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group 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To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pdaftaryfard at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 19:22:36 2011 From: pdaftaryfard at gmail.com (parisa Daftarifard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:36 +0330 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Tom, you wrote "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. Best, Parisa On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued > that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous > syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's > remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready > to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get > into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so > if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An > anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < > pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Anat, >> >> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >> get enough input in a unilateral way. >> >> Best. >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nameera, >>> >>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>> >>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>> >>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>> >>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>> >>> Anat >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Parisa Daftarifard >> Phd Student of TEFL >> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Parisa Daftarifard Phd Student of TEFL Islamic Azad University of Science and Research -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mohinish.s at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 19:52:19 2011 From: mohinish.s at gmail.com (Mohinish) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:52:19 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left somewhat unspecified what the various, sufficient sources of information that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the induction of linguistic structures. So, if the baby sees that a hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might contain transformations. More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe all of them are necessary... Mo On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Tom, you wrote > "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " > I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? > > Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. > > Best, > Parisa > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aliyah.morgenstern at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 20:42:43 2011 From: aliyah.morgenstern at gmail.com (Aliyah MORGENSTERN) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:42:43 +0100 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <2C528B2FDD190F45ACDB70AA9556BFB45E4B3AAE04@MAIL1.inst.ioe.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, at that time children experienced trigtering experiences, that must have included pragmatics... Too bad you don't have Chomsky's agreement to your comment in print... since we now benefit from that great invention. Is there any way we can have access to your 1981 paper Tom? It's not on your webpage and I would really like to read it again. I don't have the book and don't have access to it. Best wishes, Aliyah Morgenstern Professeur de linguistique Sorbonne Nouvelle Le 22 mars 2011 à 16:44, Matthew Saxton a écrit : > > ...... embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ...... > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who’d’ve though it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > Best wishes, > > Matthew Saxton. > > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > > > > > > From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper > Sent: 22 March 2011 12:37 > To: info-childes at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shanley at bu.edu Tue Mar 22 23:06:35 2011 From: shanley at bu.edu (Shanley Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:06:35 +0100 Subject: videotaping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Brian, Thanks for that information. For SLR, the idea was to buy a Single Lens Reflex camera that also takes video and has an external mic possibility. The advantage of that would be better picture quality by having control over the depth of field. One option is the Sony a55 DSLR camera (model number SLT-A55VL; $850). One could get the same kind of video control with a higher end camcorder like the Canon XA10 high definition camcorder ($2K). What do you think of either of those options? Best, Shanley. On Mar 22, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Brian MacWhinney wrote: > Dear Shanley, > > The instructions there are still up to date. Any AVCHD camcorder is fine. The main issue is about audio out. If you want really good audio, you need a separate mike, as described there. If not, you could even consider the top-end Flip Video camera. I don't know what an SLR camcorder is. I did a web search for that and didn't come up with anything clear. Can you provide a model number? > > --Brian MacWhinney > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Shanley Allen wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- >> old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are >> still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to >> be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about >> SLR camcorders. Are there pros or cons to those compared to the ones >> you've recommended? >> >> Best, >> Shanley. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Wed Mar 23 01:53:20 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:53:20 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <1D9EEA2F-C1B8-4F6B-A826-C9645DA450B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi--- yes the name of the game is to specify the mechanism. I think there will be what I call "strict interfaces" that link many of these things. For instance: imperatives involve a mapping between speaker and hearer, situation, syntax of subject deletion, intonation and the mapping seems automatic. Social and distributional factors are a part of the situation. I am not sure about Bayseian information. Frequency is not a meaningful notion if it is not frequency of something, as soon as it is a something, a phonetic or phonologial object, it already has a representation--so you cannot "get" the representation through frequency, although it might seem that way because in fact you get many subparts of the representation one by one. LIke the phonology of the beginning middle and end of a word might have separate learning events before you ever say the word. The challenge is to specify the mapping---pragmatics, phonetics, intonation, phonology, syntax, semantics--- bootstrapping is a very misleading term because it makes things seem one way when they never are. YOur eyes don't choose the light that they take in, but they choose to form extremely complex objects. How to connect the object with a sound involves many pre-existing mental assumptions. Suppose you associate a word with an object in motion. Why do that? It is not inevitable, it is a mental bias. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Mohinish wrote: > Hi all, > > if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left > somewhat unspecified what the various, *sufficient* sources of information > that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the > induction of *linguistic* structures. So, if the baby sees that a > hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is > wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new > hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an > important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might > contain transformations. > > More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other > cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or > 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the > learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - > i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic > structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and > distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe *all* of > them are necessary... > > Mo > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > > Dear Tom, you wrote > "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " > I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn > pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile > with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping > is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic > one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other > things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that > pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? > > Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language > delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in > high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to > respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into > creative language user. > > Best, > Parisa > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> Anat--- >> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >> that children needed pragmatic >> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous >> syntactic and pragmatic >> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >> experience" I said to him that must include >> pragmatics and he agreed. >> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >> the cat was chased by the dog. >> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >> >> the milk was drunk by the boy >> >> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready >> to project a transformation, >> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >> into the object position somehow, >> do I have a mental operation to do it". >> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >> so if I tell a 3yr old: >> >> the cheese ate the mouse >> >> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >> anti-pragmatic ability is the >> sign of true acquisition. >> >> best, Tom Roeper >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Anat, >>> >>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >>> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >>> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >>> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >>> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>> >>> Best. >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Nameera, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>> >>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>> >>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of tha >>>> t I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>> >>>> Anat >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>> >>>> congratulations, anat! >>>> >>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>> >>>> nameera >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>>> >>>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> Phd Student of TEFL >>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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URL: From Jeanine.Treffers-Daller at uwe.ac.uk Sat Mar 26 15:59:38 2011 From: Jeanine.Treffers-Daller at uwe.ac.uk (Jeanine Treffers-Daller) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:59:38 +0000 Subject: McArthur Bates CDI for Somali? Message-ID: Dear all I'd be very grateful if you could let me know if the McArthur Bates Communicative Development Inventory has been developed for Somali (or another Cushitic language). I have been in touch with Philip Dale who is unaware of any adaptations for Somali. thanks a lot for your help! best wishes Jeanine ========================= Professor Jeanine Treffers-Daller Professor of Linguistics Department of English, Linguistics and Communication Faculty of Creative Arts, Humanities and Education Frenchay Campus Coldharbour Lane Bristol BS16 1QY tel. 00-44-117-3282390 Room 4D03 ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper [roeper at linguist.umass.edu] Sent: 23 March 2011 01:53 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping Hi--- yes the name of the game is to specify the mechanism. I think there will be what I call "strict interfaces" that link many of these things. For instance: imperatives involve a mapping between speaker and hearer, situation, syntax of subject deletion, intonation and the mapping seems automatic. Social and distributional factors are a part of the situation. I am not sure about Bayseian information. Frequency is not a meaningful notion if it is not frequency of something, as soon as it is a something, a phonetic or phonologial object, it already has a representation--so you cannot "get" the representation through frequency, although it might seem that way because in fact you get many subparts of the representation one by one. LIke the phonology of the beginning middle and end of a word might have separate learning events before you ever say the word. The challenge is to specify the mapping---pragmatics, phonetics, intonation, phonology, syntax, semantics--- bootstrapping is a very misleading term because it makes things seem one way when they never are. YOur eyes don't choose the light that they take in, but they choose to form extremely complex objects. How to connect the object with a sound involves many pre-existing mental assumptions. Suppose you associate a word with an object in motion. Why do that? It is not inevitable, it is a mental bias. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Mohinish > wrote: Hi all, if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left somewhat unspecified what the various, sufficient sources of information that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the induction of linguistic structures. So, if the baby sees that a hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might contain transformations. More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe all of them are necessary... Mo On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: Dear Tom, you wrote "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. Best, Parisa On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper > wrote: Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > wrote: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: congratulations, anat! hope to see you at srcd, nameera On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From k.j.alcock at lancaster.ac.uk Mon Mar 28 09:39:06 2011 From: k.j.alcock at lancaster.ac.uk (Katie Alcock) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:39:06 +0100 Subject: McArthur Bates CDI for Somali? In-Reply-To: <20010E745C50274D93A655F97E281597391524D468@EGEN-MBX02.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think I can definitively say it hasn't - I know of most adaptations from sub-Saharan Africa and so far I think they are all Bantu. A former student of mine is working on some West African languages at the moment. (Incidentally, I don't know how this particular list works, but I have a nasty feeling that if you start with a message on topic A, leave the original message but change the subject field to topic B, it's going to be indexed online as topic A still, which appears to have been "pragmatic bootstrapping".) Katie Alcock Katie Alcock, DPhil, CPsychol Lecturer Department of Psychology University of Lancaster Fylde College Lancaster LA1 4YF Tel 01524 593833 Fax 01524 593744 Web http://www.psych.lancs.ac.uk/people/KatieAlcock.html > From: Jeanine Treffers-Daller > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:59:38 +0000 > To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: McArthur Bates CDI for Somali? > > Dear all > I'd be very grateful if you could let me know if the McArthur Bates > Communicative Development Inventory has been developed for Somali (or another > Cushitic language). > > I have been in touch with Philip Dale who is unaware of any adaptations for > Somali. > > thanks a lot for your help! > best wishes > Jeanine > ========================= > Professor Jeanine Treffers-Daller > Professor of Linguistics > Department of English, Linguistics and Communication > Faculty of Creative Arts, Humanities and Education > Frenchay Campus > Coldharbour Lane > Bristol > BS16 1QY > tel. 00-44-117-3282390 > Room 4D03 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Here are the guidelines for the application http://www.scu.edu.au/research/index.php/82/ These positions are open to international applicants Dr Heather Winskel , Psychology, Southern Cross University, Coffs Harbour Campus, New South Wales, Australia. email: Heather.winskel at scu.edu.au tel. +61 2 6659 3381 Southern Cross University Postdoctoral Fellowships aim to support excellence in full-time research undertaken across the University in areas of developing and existing research strengths. The University will be offering up to five new Fellowships during 2011. Applicants must have a PhD award dated no earlier than 1 January 2006 (PhD award date is defined as the date on the testament). APPLICATIONS CLOSE 6 May 2011 Coffs Harbour is about half way between Sydney and Brisbane. It is an extremely pleasant, peaceful, subtropical coastal location surrounded by national parks and state forests. It also has good regular flights to both Sydney and Brisbane. http://www.scu.edu.au/about/index.php/11/ http://www.visitcoffsharbour.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 31 16:20:17 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:20:17 -0400 Subject: new Dutch narrative corpus Message-ID: Dear Info-CHILDES, I am pleased to announce the addition to CHILDES of a new corpus of narrative data from Dutch. This corpus, called Asymmetries, has been contributed by Petra Hendriks, Charlotte Koster, and Sanne Kuiper. The CK corpus of data from normal participants includes child, adult, and elderly participants describing four six-picture story sequences. Some time next year we will also add the SK corpus of data from children with ASD and ADHD. Audio is available, but it is not yet linked to the transcripts. Many thanks to Charlotte, Petra and Sanna for the contribution of this interesting corpus. -- Brian MacWhinney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu Thu Mar 31 16:27:09 2011 From: megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu (Sundara, Megha) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:27:09 -0700 Subject: Research co-orodinator for the language acquisition lab at UCLA Message-ID: We are looking for a curious, dynamic and organized person to work as full-time Laboratory Coordinator for the Language Acquisition Laboratory at UCLA Department of Linguistics. Responsibilities include organizing and managing subject recruitment, interacting with parents and children, aiding in experimental design, testing infants, maintaining data spreadsheets and facilitating undergraduate and graduate research projects. This is a full-time administrative position with benefits; a commitment for at least two years is required. The position starts July 1, 2011 and offers flexible hours. Salary begins at $38,880 per year, and is commensurate with experience. UCLA is an equal opportunity employer. The person must have experience working with children between 0 – 6 years and their parents. A degree (B.A. or M.A.) in Linguistics / Psychology or related field, and research experience with infants and language acquisition is highly desirable. Proficiency in Spanish would also be great. This position is ideal for gaining experience before entering graduate school; both previous coordinators have gone to excellent doctoral programs. Details of previous research projects are available on the web pages of Nina Hyams, Susie Curtiss, Carson Schütze and Megha Sundara (http://www.linguistics.ucla.edu/people/faculty.htm). If you are interested, please email a CV and names of three referees to Megha Sundara (megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu). Applications will be accepted till the position is filled. Megha Sundara UCLA Department of Linguistics 3125 Campbell Hall Los Angeles 90069-1543 Phone: (310) 825-0041 Fax: (310) 206-5743 website: http://www.linguistics.ucla.edu/people/Sundara/index.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.morgan at city.ac.uk Tue Mar 1 13:26:37 2011 From: g.morgan at city.ac.uk (Gary Morgan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 05:26:37 -0800 Subject: Language impairment conference London June 2011 Message-ID: Information from Victoria Joffe Lost for Words: Lost for Life? A conference on Speech, Language and Communication Needs in older children and young people 15-17 June 2011 City University London, England. REGISTRATION OPENS: 1ST MARCH 2011 Registration is now open for this exciting conference, hosted jointly by City University, I CAN and Afasic. It is an applied research and practice conference covering new and ground breaking research and practice in the area of speech, language and communication difficulties in older children and young people. Speakers at the conference include: ? Dr Nicola Botting, City University London ? Professor Karen Bryan, University of Surrey ? Professor Sarah-Jayne Blakemore, University College, London ? Professor Susan Gathercole, University of York ? Dr Nicola Grove, Openstorytellers ? Dr Victoria Joffe, City University London ? Professor David Messer, Open University ? Professor Gary Morgan, City University, London ? Professor Sue Roulstone, University of the West of England ? Professor Pamela Snow, Monash University, Australia ? Professor Maggie Snowling, The University of York, UK ? Professor Jane Marshall, City University London The Rt. Hon. John Bercow will give an introductory address and a panel discussion will be held on the commissioning and nature of specialist services to older children and young people with SLCN. Workshops on ?My Speech and Me? will also be led by young people with SLCN and their parents. Places are limited. Make sure you get a place by booking online: http://www.city.ac.uk/lcs/SLCN_Conf2011.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 08:28:58 2011 From: editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com (IASCL Child Language Bulletin Editor) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:28:58 -0800 Subject: IASCL 2011: Last Call for Early Registration (5 March 2011) Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We are putting together an exciting scientific program for the IASCL conference, this July in Montreal. Please, remember that one author or co-author must be registered for a presentation to be included in the scientific program. The deadline for early registration and reduced fees is in a few days, on March 5. If you have not already registered and are presenting (either at a symposium or poster session), please do register before the deadline -- as presentations for which there is no registered author will be withdrawn from the scientific program. We are very much looking forward to seeing all of you in Montreal. With best wishes, Henri Cohen http://www.iascl2011.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From vincenttorrens at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 12:05:06 2011 From: vincenttorrens at gmail.com (torrens) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 04:05:06 -0800 Subject: New Trends in Experimental Psycholinguistics: Call for Papers Message-ID: NEW TRENDS ON EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLINGUISTICS Madrid 29th-30th September 2011 Plenary Speakers Harald Clahsen (Essex University) Michael Ullman (Georgetown University) Call for papers We invite submissions on language processing, language acquisition or language disorders of phonetics, phonology, syllable structure, lexicon, morphosyntax or pragmatics using new experimental methods (eye tracking, reaction times, ERPs, fMRI, visual preference paradigm, genetics, neural networks) Deadline for submission: 1st april 2011 Acknowledgement of acceptance: 1st may 2011 Sonia Mariscal Facultad de Psicolog?a U.N.E.D. C/ Juan del Rosal, 10 40424 Madrid Vicen? Torrens Facultad de Psicolog?a U.N.E.D. C/ Juan del Rosal, 10 40424 Madrid http://www.linguistic-institute.info/experimental.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From kei at aya.yale.edu Tue Mar 8 12:11:05 2011 From: kei at aya.yale.edu (Nakamura, Kei) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 04:11:05 -0800 Subject: TCP2011 Message-ID: The 12the Tokyo Conference on Psycholinguistics (TCP 2011) The Institute of Cultural and Linguistic Studies of Keio University will be sponsoring the twelfth Tokyo Conference on Psycholinguistics (TCP 2011) on March 11 and 12, 2011 to be held at Kita-kan Hall, Keio University, Mita, Tokyo. The invited speakers are Dr. Jeffrey Lidz (University of Maryland) and Dr. Hisatsugu Kitahara (Keio University). For details, visit our website: http://www.otsu.icl.keio.ac.jp/tcp/ (TCP 2011 Program) Day 1 (March 11, 2011) 13:00-13:05 Opening Yukio Otsu (Keio University) 13:05-13:35 ?On Grammatical Maturation? Cedric Boeckx (Universitat Aut?noma de Barcelona) Chair: Takuya Goro (Ibaraki University) 13:35-14:05 ?Is Statistical Learning Affected by Perceptual Reorganization?: Dutch Infants? Sensitivity to Lexical Tone Discrimination? Liquan Liu and Ren? Kager (Utrecht University) Chair: Takuya Goro (Ibaraki University) 14:05-14:35 ?The Role of Prosodic Features in Communication Repair: A Study of Native and Non-native Speakers of Japanese and German? Yuki Asano (University of Konstanz) Chair: Yukiko Sugiyama (Keio University) Break 14:55-15:25 ?The Disambiguation Effect as a Manifestation of Socio-pragmatic Competence? Marina Kalashnikova and Karen Mattock (Lancaster University) Chair: Miwa Isobe (Tokyo University of the Arts) 15:25-15:55 ?Two Types of Benefactives in Child Japanese: A Preliminary Experimental Study? Reiko Okabe (Nihon University) Chair: Miwa Isobe (Tokyo University of the Arts) 15:55-16:25 ?Children's Grammatical Conservatism: Evidence from the Acquisition of Case-markers and Postpositions in Japanese? Koji Sugisaki (Mie University) Chair: Yukio Otsu (Keio University) Break 16:40-17:40 (Invited Lecture) "Parser-grammar Interactions in the Acquisition of Syntax" Jeffrey Lidz (University of Maryland) Chair: Yukio Otsu (Keio University) RECEPTION Day 2 (March 12, 2011) 10:00-10:30 ?Grammatical Encoding in the Production of Passive Sentence: Evidence from Structural Priming Effects in Japanese? Ying Deng (Hiroshima University), Hajime Ono (Kinki University) and Hiromu Sakai (Hiroshima University) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) 10:30-11:00 ?Antecedent Selection of a Reflexive Pronoun in Bi-clausal Structure: An ERP Study in Japanese? Reiko Okabe (Nihon University), Yuki Kobayashi and Takane Ito (The University of Tokyo) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) 11:00-11:30 ?Structural Expectations in Chinese Relative Clause Comprehension? Zhong Chen, Kyle Grove and John Hale (Cornell University) Chair: Tetsuya Sano (Meiji Gakuin University) Lunch ------------------------------------------------------- 12:30-14:00 Poster Session ?Universals and Uniqueness in Lexical Tone Perception? Ao Chen and Ren? Kager (Utrecht University) ?Re-examining the ?NP/DP? Parameter in Light of the Diversity of East- Asian Classifiers? Youngmi Jeong (Universitat Aut?noma de Barcelona) ?Incremental Processing of Gap-filler Dependencies: Evidence from the Processing of Subject and Object Clefts in Japanese? Bar?? Kahraman (Hiroshima University), Atsushi Sato (Hiroshima University/Japan Society for Promotion of Science), Hajime Ono (Kinki University) and Hiromu Sakai (Hiroshima University) ?String Vacuous Phonetically Inaudible Scrambling in Japanese? Hideaki Yamashita (Yokohama National University) -------------------------------------------- 14:00-14:30 ?Uniqueness and Co-variation in Chinese Wh-conditionals? Qiong-peng Luo and Stephen Crain (Macquarie University) Chair: Masayuki Komachi (Shizuoka University) 14:30-15:00 ?On the Adjunction-based Licensing of the Accusative Wh-adjunct Nani- o? Yasuhiro Iida (Osaka University) Chair: Masayuki Komachi (Shizuoka University) 15:00-15:30 ?That-trace Reconsidered: Definiteness and Complementizer Agreement? Koji Shimamura (Osaka University) Chair: Akira Watanabe (The University of Tokyo) Break 15:45-16:45 (Invited Lecture) "Can Eagles That Fly Swim?: Guaranteeing the Simplest Answer to a New Puzzle? Hisatsugu Kitahara (Keio University) Chair: Akira Watanabe (The University of Tokyo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From ebabatsouli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 08:16:38 2011 From: ebabatsouli at yahoo.com (Elena Babatsouli) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 00:16:38 -0800 Subject: EMERGENCY Message-ID: Hello, Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money and other valuable things were kept.I want ?you to assist me with a loan of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and ?to get myself back home. I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. Please let me know immediately.?? ???? ? Thanks? 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Thanks? > Elena > ??????????? > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From lempert at psych.utoronto.ca Wed Mar 9 11:33:27 2011 From: lempert at psych.utoronto.ca (Henrietta Lempert) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:33:27 -0500 Subject: EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: <570712.60815.qm@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elena, I just want to apologize for that reply - I've been deluged recently with requests to help various individuals retrieve millions from foreign bank accounts, etc etc and initially thought your letter was another instance. I can't help you but hope someone else will be able to do so. Again, apologies > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want ?you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and ?to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.?? ???? ? Thanks? > Elena > ??????????? > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From ebabatsouli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 11:33:54 2011 From: ebabatsouli at yahoo.com (Elena Babatsouli) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:33:54 -0800 Subject: Pls. IGNORE Re: EMERGENCY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pls. Ignore the following?message. I have had HACKERS in my email !!!! ? Elena Babatsouli --- On Wed, 9/3/11, Henrietta Lempert wrote: From: Henrietta Lempert Subject: Re: EMERGENCY To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 9 March, 2011, 6:25 > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want ?you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and ?to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.?? ???? ? Thanks? > Elena > ??????????? > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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The project has investigated linguistic development and attitudes in beginners aged 5, 7 and 11 following a similar curriculum taught by the same teacher. The conference takes place over two days, one for education professionals and the other for researchers in the field of second language acquisition. The first day (Thursday 14th July) targets MFL teachers, teacher trainers, policy makers and education professionals. A film produced by the research team will document the teaching style used during the project and will be followed by a presentation of findings on the linguistic development of the children, and on the role of literacy, attitudes and motivation in each year group (Years 1, 3 and 7). A round-table discussion will follow. The second day (Friday 15th July) will focus on the project?s research agenda, and will include an opening keynote speech by Carmen Mu?oz, from the University of Barcelona on the current state of play in research on the role of age in second language acquisition. The research team will then present its research findings. Topics covered will include: linguistic development (e.g. vocabulary and syntax,) the role of gestures in language teaching and learning, attitudes and motivation, as well as the role of working memory and literacy. A discussion will be led by Emma Marsden (University of York) and Dick Johnstone (University of Stirling) on the implications of the research for early language learning in the classroom and with suggestions for future research. Abstract submission A poster session will take on place on 15th July. Proposals are invited for posters on topics relating to age and second language acquisition. Abstracts should be 300 words maximum. Proposals should be submitted to liz.o?sullivan at ncl.ac.uk. Deadline for submission is 1st May 2011. Important dates: Deadline for abstracts: 1st May, 2011 Deadline for registration: 1st July, 2011 To register for the conference and for further details, visit the project website: www.flloc.soton.ac.uk/events.html Or contact: kevin.mcmanus at ncl.ac.uk or liz.o?sullivan at ncl.ac.uk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From sgrass at gmx.net Fri Mar 11 10:01:56 2011 From: sgrass at gmx.net (suse) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:01:56 +0100 Subject: adolescents' second language learning Message-ID: Dear colleagues, a friend who is teaching foreign languages at school is looking for information about studies (empirical papers as well as reviews) on how teenagers/adolescents learn languages. in particular she's interested in whether there is any research on the ways in which adolescents may differ from * adult* learners (e.g. with respect to learning strategies, memory capacities, motivation, etc.). I'd appreciate any suggestion for readings Thanks a lot Susanne Grassmann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Again, apologies > Hello, > Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Spain > for a program, I'm presently in Madrid and am having some difficulties > here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money > and other valuable things were kept.I want ?you to assist me with a loan > of (2,600 Euro = $3,300) to sort-out my hotel bills and ?to get myself > back home. > I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the > matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me > with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return, let me know if > you can be of any help. I don't have a phone where i can be reached. > Please let me know immediately.?? ???? ? Thanks? > Elena > ??????????? > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 02:44:47 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:44:47 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK Message-ID: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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It is entitled "Syntactic development, its > input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the > Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 04:01:40 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:01:40 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is,through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions."(p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > > > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new > book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic > development, its input and output" and a description of it, as > well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the > publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 04:07:17 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:07:17 +0200 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8187A4.8020605@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading > your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith > & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood > development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. > First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly > addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic > constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is,through > "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions."(p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of > that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio >> > > wrote: >> >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new >> book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic >> development, its input and output" and a description of it, as >> well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the >> publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> info-childes at googlegroups.com . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barriere.isa at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 04:34:45 2011 From: barriere.isa at gmail.com (isa barriere) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:34:45 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8188F5.9080704@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Hi, It is not very recent but there is the study below by PM Rollins and C. Snow. Yours, Isabelle Barriere, PhD - Journal of Child Language(1998), 25: 653-673 - Copyright ? 1998 Cambridge University Press - - - Previous Abstract - Next Abstract ------------------------------ Shared attention and grammatical development in typical children and children with autism 1 ------------------------------ *PAMELA ROSENTHAL ROLLINS a1c1 * *and* *CATHERINE E. SNOW a2* a1University of Texas at Dallas, Callier Center for Communication Disorders a2Harvard Graduate School of Education Abstract The two studies presented here explore the relationship between children's pragmatic skills and their growth in grammar. In study 1, thirty normally developing children were videotaped interacting with their parents at 1;2 and again at 2;7. Using correlational and regression techniques, we found that pragmatic accomplishments of MUTUAL ATTENTION, as well as mother's conversational style, explained 45% of the variance in grammar at 2;7. The second study investigated pragmatic?grammatical relationships with data from 6 high-functioning children with autism. To control for individual variation in skill level at the start of the study, within-individual growth rates for grammar were estimated as our outcome. The results substantiated those of study 1, in that pragmatic accomplishments within mutual attention predicted the per month growth rate in grammar. We interpret these findings as consistent with the position that the infant's social-pragmatic skills contribute to the acquisition of grammar. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 10:03:16 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:03:16 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <4D81759F.6020601@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 10:09:49 2011 From: msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (Anat Ninio) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:09:49 +0200 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! Anat On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: > Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! > > Tamar > On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book >> by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, >> its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to >> the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue >> at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy > Language and Linguistic Science > V/B/220 > University of York > Heslington > York YO10 5DD > tel 01904 433614 > fax 01904 432673 > email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk > > > http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 14:02:13 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:02:13 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <4D81DDED.7050604@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: I'll let you know when it arrives, and thanks for sending it to me. I was hoping to get a copy again.... Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 10:09, Anat Ninio wrote: > Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! > > The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: >> >> Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! >> >> Tamar >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> Tamar Keren-Portnoy >> Language and Linguistic Science >> V/B/220 >> University of York >> Heslington >> York YO10 5DD >> tel 01904 433614 >> fax 01904 432673 >> email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk >> >> http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk Thu Mar 17 14:03:22 2011 From: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk (Tamar Keren-Portnoy) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:03:22 +0000 Subject: NEW BOOK In-Reply-To: <897F5C23-2D89-4F33-8131-9AFB673D0B63@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sorry! I hadn't noticed I was sending this to the entire list... Tamar On 17 Mar 2011, at 14:02, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: > I'll let you know when it arrives, and thanks for sending it to me. I was hoping to get a copy again.... > > Tamar > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 10:09, Anat Ninio wrote: > >> Thanks, Tamar. Your copy is supposed to arrive there this week, so if it doesn't get there by Monday let's say, let me know and I'll tell them to see what is happening, or send a new one! >> >> The cover came out gorgeous, and that's ALL I care about now! >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 12:03, Tamar Keren-Portnoy wrote: >>> >>> Mazal tov! I was wating for it to come out! >>> >>> Tamar >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 02:44, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> Tamar Keren-Portnoy >>> Language and Linguistic Science >>> V/B/220 >>> University of York >>> Heslington >>> York YO10 5DD >>> tel 01904 433614 >>> fax 01904 432673 >>> email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk >>> >>> http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy > Language and Linguistic Science > V/B/220 > University of York > Heslington > York YO10 5DD > tel 01904 433614 > fax 01904 432673 > email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk > > http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm > > > > > Tamar Keren-Portnoy Language and Linguistic Science V/B/220 University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD tel 01904 433614 fax 01904 432673 email: tamar.keren-portnoy at york.ac.uk http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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It is entitled "Syntactic >development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well >as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's >on-line catalogue at >http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > >I hope you'll like it! > >Anat Ninio > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. Congratulations! Peter -- ____________________________________________________________________ Prof. Peter Cole Department of Linguistics and Cognitive Science University of Delaware Newark, DE 19716 USA 302-831-6829 (phone) 302-831-6896 (UD Linguistics fax) 503-217-8492 (e-fax personal fax [forwarded to me in my email]) pcole at udel.edu World Wide Web: http://www.ling.udel.edu/pcole/cole.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 17 21:20:21 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:20:21 -0400 Subject: CLAN for Mac OSX 10.4 Message-ID: Dear CLAN Users, Is anyone still using Mac OSX 10.4 with CLAN? If so, we need to warn you that we will have to discontinue support for Tiger in October. This is because Apple is dropping support for Tiger when 10.7 (Lion) comes out in October. When we then start compiling for Lion, we can no longer maintain versions for Tiger. Tiger (10.4) came out in 2007. It was then followed in 2009 by Leopard (10.5). If you have a non-Intel (aka PPC) Macintosh computer, then you can upgrade from Tiger to Leopard and you will still be able to run the new version of CLAN when we shift in October. In other words, we will then support 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7, but not 10.4. In a few cases, shifting from Tiger to Leopard can be difficult because Leopard takes more space than Tiger. So, I am curious about whether anyone is still using 10.4. If you are, please send me an individual reply to macw at cmu.edu, rather than replying to the list. Best wishes, -- Brian MacWhinney, CMU -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From pdaftaryfard at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 22:17:45 2011 From: pdaftaryfard at gmail.com (parisa Daftarifard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:47:45 +0330 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D8188F5.9080704@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Parisa Daftarifard Phd Student of TEFL Islamic Azad University of Science and Research -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at cmu.edu Mon Mar 21 22:26:12 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:26:12 -0400 Subject: additional CLAN dialogs, iPad CLAN, XML CLAN Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We have been adding some features to CLAN that may interest some of you. They are: 1. CLAN programs now run inside the TalkBank web browser. For CHILDES, this browser is found at http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser. For TalkBank, it is found at http://talkbank.org/browser. 2. Leonid has added additional dialog buttons to CLAN's Commands window for "TIERS" and "SEARCH". Having these buttons is particularly useful for new users of CLAN, but it can also be helpful for experienced users who are having trouble with certain fussy details, particularly in regard to the SEARCH commands based on the +s switch. After selecting the program you wish to use, such as COMBO or FREQ, these buttons will become available. Hopefully, the interface is pretty intuitive. 3. The TalkBank browser (with its CLAN commands) can also run on iPhone and iPad using a standard browser. Because the iPad and iPhone do not support streaming media using Apple's Streaming server, Spencer Sugarman has created a separate demo site where you can see TalkBank materials broadcast using an alternative server called Wazoo. Curious iPhone and iPad devotees can see a demo by going to spencer.talkbank.org. You need JavaScript and pop-ups enabled. Over my wireless connnection here, the results were quite impressive, but slower connections might find it less impressive. 4. We have an initial existence proof of the running of CLAN programs through web browsers using XML. In a few weeks, there will be something there to try out also. -- Brian MacWhinney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 12:36:31 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development > or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic > bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved > in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a > poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is > especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > >> Dear List, >> >> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your >> 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, >> is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Best wishes, Matthew Saxton. ********************************************************************************************************* [cid:image002.png at 01CBE8A7.F7597A90] Saxton Academic Homepage From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper Sent: 22 March 2011 12:37 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > wrote: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: congratulations, anat! hope to see you at srcd, nameera On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- Parisa Daftarifard Phd Student of TEFL Islamic Azad University of Science and Research -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: > > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* > > > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though it? He > precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Matthew Saxton. > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper > *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued > that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous > syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's > remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready > to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get > into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so > if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An > anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < > pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Anat, > > > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development > or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic > bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved > in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a > poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is > especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > > > Best. > > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love > to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the > hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your > 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. > B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, > * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, > is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the > question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way > as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or > attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I > should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by > Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its > input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the > Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Parisa Daftarifard > > Phd Student of TEFL > > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sgrass at gmx.net Tue Mar 22 16:29:11 2011 From: sgrass at gmx.net (suse) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition"... Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to use it inappropriately? If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) regards, Suse Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: > Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we > went back to Panini, one > could probably find the idea earlier. > > Tom > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton > wrote: > > > ...... /embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ....../ > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve > though it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > Best wishes, > > Matthew Saxton. > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com > > [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper > *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I > argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a > simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in > Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax > is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has > to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without > pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is > true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > > wrote: > > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language > development or language development delay can occur because of > problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with > low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or > fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction > environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially > interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can > get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > > wrote: > > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually > I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be > said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by > "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm > reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. > Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), /Encyclopedia of infant and early > childhood development,/ Vol. /2/ (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: > Academic Press. > > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European > grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly > addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic > constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, > through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' > intentions."(p.319) > > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know > of thatI should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > > wrote: > > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new > book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic > development, its input and output" and a description of it, as > well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the > publisher's on-line catalogue at > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Parisa Daftarifard > > Phd Student of TEFL > > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 17:08:28 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:08:28 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <4D88CE57.6070003@gmx.net> Message-ID: It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form non-sense sentences---and possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how things are--going against context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an impossible one. this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment of liberation from context that we have to capture. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: > i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of > true acquisition"... > > Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to > use it inappropriately? > If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain > the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean > that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which > make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in > which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which > Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) > > regards, > Suse > > > > Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: > > Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we went > back to Panini, one > could probably find the idea earlier. > > Tom > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: > >> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >> >> >> >> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though it? >> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Matthew Saxton. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> >> Saxton Academic Homepage >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >> >> >> >> Anat--- >> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >> that children needed pragmatic >> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous >> syntactic and pragmatic >> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >> experience" I said to him that must include >> pragmatics and he agreed. >> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >> the cat was chased by the dog. >> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >> >> the milk was drunk by the boy >> >> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready >> to project a transformation, >> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >> into the object position somehow, >> do I have a mental operation to do it". >> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >> so if I tell a 3yr old: >> >> the cheese ate the mouse >> >> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >> anti-pragmatic ability is the >> sign of true acquisition. >> >> best, Tom Roeper >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Anat, >> >> >> >> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >> get enough input in a unilateral way. >> >> >> >> Best. >> >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >> Dear List, >> >> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> >> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your >> 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, >> is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >> >> congratulations, anat! >> >> hope to see you at srcd, >> >> nameera >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >> >> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >> >> I hope you'll like it! >> >> Anat Ninio >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> Phd Student of TEFL >> >> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 <413%20256%200390> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shanley at bu.edu Tue Mar 22 17:23:47 2011 From: shanley at bu.edu (Shanley Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: videotaping Message-ID: Hi Brian, I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about SLR camcorders. Are there pros or cons to those compared to the ones you've recommended? Best, Shanley. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From msyonata at huji.ac.il Tue Mar 22 17:49:02 2011 From: msyonata at huji.ac.il (Yonata Levy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:49:02 +0000 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts Yonata On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form > non-sense sentences---and > possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how > things are--going against > context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an > impossible one. > this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment > of liberation from context > that we have to capture. > > Tom > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: > >> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >> true acquisition"... >> >> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >> use it inappropriately? >> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain >> the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean >> that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which >> make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in >> which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which >> Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >> >> regards, >> Suse >> >> >> >> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >> >> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >> went back to Panini, one >> could probably find the idea earlier. >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >> >>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>> >>> >>> >>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though it? >>> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> >>> Matthew Saxton. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>> >>> >>> >>> Anat--- >>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >>> that children needed pragmatic >>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>> experience" I said to him that must include >>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>> >>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>> >>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>> ready to project a transformation, >>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >>> into the object position somehow, >>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >>> so if I tell a 3yr old: >>> >>> the cheese ate the mouse >>> >>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>> sign of true acquisition. >>> >>> best, Tom Roeper >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Anat, >>> >>> >>> >>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >>> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >>> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >>> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >>> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best. >>> >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nameera, >>> >>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>> >>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>> >>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>> >>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>> >>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>> >>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>> >>> Anat >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> Phd Student of TEFL >>> >>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Roeper >>> Dept of Lingiustics >>> UMass South College >>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>> 413 256 0390 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- *Prof. Yonata Levy* *Psychology Department * *and Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical School* *Mount Scopus* *Jerusalem 91905, ISRAEL* ** *tel:972-2-5883408 (o)* * 972-547905997 (c)* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I did a web search for that and didn't come up with anything clear. Can you provide a model number? --Brian MacWhinney On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Shanley Allen wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- > old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are > still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to > be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about > SLR camcorders. 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From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Tue Mar 22 17:54:21 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:54:21 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can call it a different one---but a lot of what we imagine is entirely in our heads, so how does it qualify as a context? On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Yonata Levy wrote: > Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? > Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts > Yonata > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form >> non-sense sentences---and >> possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how >> things are--going against >> context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an >> impossible one. >> this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment >> of liberation from context >> that we have to capture. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: >> >>> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >>> true acquisition"... >>> >>> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >>> use it inappropriately? >>> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to >>> maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above >>> statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand >>> sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in >>> other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way >>> round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >>> >>> regards, >>> Suse >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >>> >>> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >>> went back to Panini, one >>> could probably find the idea earlier. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >>> >>>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though it? >>>> He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Matthew Saxton. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anat--- >>>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I >>>> argued that children needed pragmatic >>>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>>> experience" I said to him that must include >>>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>>> >>>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>>> >>>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>>> ready to project a transformation, >>>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to >>>> get into the object position somehow, >>>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >>>> so if I tell a 3yr old: >>>> >>>> the cheese ate the mouse >>>> >>>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>>> sign of true acquisition. >>>> >>>> best, Tom Roeper >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Anat, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language >>>> development or language development delay can occur because of problems in >>>> pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being >>>> involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live >>>> in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best. >>>> >>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Nameera, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>> >>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>> >>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>> >>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>> >>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>> >>>> Anat >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>> >>>> congratulations, anat! >>>> >>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>> >>>> nameera >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>> >>>> Phd Student of TEFL >>>> >>>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Roeper >>>> Dept of Lingiustics >>>> UMass South College >>>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>>> 413 256 0390 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. 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To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From msyonata at huji.ac.il Tue Mar 22 18:23:07 2011 From: msyonata at huji.ac.il (Yonata Levy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:23:07 +0000 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you wish to communicate than you need to share enough of the context If you "communicate" with yourself - there is an agreed upon context too, even if it is in your head. What difference does it make? On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > You can call it a different one---but a lot of what we imagine is entirely > in our heads, so how does it qualify as a context? > > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Yonata Levy wrote: > >> Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one? >> Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts >> Yonata >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: >> >>> It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form >>> non-sense sentences---and >>> possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how >>> things are--going against >>> context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an >>> impossible one. >>> this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the >>> moment of liberation from context >>> that we have to capture. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, suse wrote: >>> >>>> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of >>>> true acquisition"... >>>> >>>> Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to >>>> use it inappropriately? >>>> If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to >>>> maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above >>>> statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand >>>> sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in >>>> other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way >>>> round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?) >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Suse >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper: >>>> >>>> Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we >>>> went back to Panini, one >>>> could probably find the idea earlier. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton wrote: >>>> >>>>> > ...... *embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though >>>>> it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Saxton. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ********************************************************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Saxton Academic Homepage >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>>> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper >>>>> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37 >>>>> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anat--- >>>>> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I >>>>> argued that children needed pragmatic >>>>> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a >>>>> simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic >>>>> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >>>>> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >>>>> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >>>>> experience" I said to him that must include >>>>> pragmatics and he agreed. >>>>> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >>>>> the cat was chased by the dog. >>>>> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >>>>> >>>>> the milk was drunk by the boy >>>>> >>>>> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is >>>>> ready to project a transformation, >>>>> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to >>>>> get into the object position somehow, >>>>> do I have a mental operation to do it". >>>>> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without >>>>> pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: >>>>> >>>>> the cheese ate the mouse >>>>> >>>>> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >>>>> anti-pragmatic ability is the >>>>> sign of true acquisition. >>>>> >>>>> best, Tom Roeper >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >>>>> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Anat, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language >>>>> development or language development delay can occur because of problems in >>>>> pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being >>>>> involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live >>>>> in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>>>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>>>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best. >>>>> >>>>> Parisa Daftarifard >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear List, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Nameera, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>>> >>>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith >>>>> & J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>>> >>>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>>> >>>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>>> >>>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of >>>>> that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>>> >>>>> Anat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> congratulations, anat! >>>>> >>>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>>> >>>>> nameera >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>>> >>>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe 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Parisa Daftarifard >>>>> >>>>> Phd Student of TEFL >>>>> >>>>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tom Roeper >>>>> Dept of Lingiustics >>>>> UMass South College >>>>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>>>> 413 256 0390 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more 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Yonata Levy* >> *Psychology Department * >> *and Hadassah-Hebrew University Medical School* >> *Mount Scopus* >> *Jerusalem 91905, ISRAEL* >> ** >> *tel:972-2-5883408 (o)* >> * 972-547905997 (c)* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group 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To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 62675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pdaftaryfard at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 19:22:36 2011 From: pdaftaryfard at gmail.com (parisa Daftarifard) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:52:36 +0330 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Tom, you wrote "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. Best, Parisa On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued > that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous > syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's > remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering > experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready > to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get > into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so > if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An > anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < > pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Anat, >> >> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >> get enough input in a unilateral way. >> >> Best. >> Parisa Daftarifard >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nameera, >>> >>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>> >>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>> >>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I >>> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>> >>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>> >>> Anat >>> >>> >>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>> >>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Parisa Daftarifard >> Phd Student of TEFL >> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Parisa Daftarifard Phd Student of TEFL Islamic Azad University of Science and Research -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mohinish.s at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 19:52:19 2011 From: mohinish.s at gmail.com (Mohinish) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:52:19 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left somewhat unspecified what the various, sufficient sources of information that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the induction of linguistic structures. So, if the baby sees that a hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might contain transformations. More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe all of them are necessary... Mo On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Tom, you wrote > "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " > I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? > > Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. > > Best, > Parisa > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >> >> Hi Nameera, >> >> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >> >> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >> >> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >> >> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >> >> Anat >> >> >> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>> >>> congratulations, anat! >>> >>> hope to see you at srcd, >>> >>> nameera >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio wrote: >>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>> >>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>> >>> I hope you'll like it! >>> >>> Anat Ninio >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aliyah.morgenstern at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 20:42:43 2011 From: aliyah.morgenstern at gmail.com (Aliyah MORGENSTERN) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:42:43 +0100 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <2C528B2FDD190F45ACDB70AA9556BFB45E4B3AAE04@MAIL1.inst.ioe.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, at that time children experienced trigtering experiences, that must have included pragmatics... Too bad you don't have Chomsky's agreement to your comment in print... since we now benefit from that great invention. Is there any way we can have access to your 1981 paper Tom? It's not on your webpage and I would really like to read it again. I don't have the book and don't have access to it. Best wishes, Aliyah Morgenstern Professeur de linguistique Sorbonne Nouvelle Le 22 mars 2011 ? 16:44, Matthew Saxton a ?crit : > > ...... embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ...... > > I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who?d?ve though it? He precedes the invention of the printing press...... > > Best wishes, > > Matthew Saxton. > > > ********************************************************************************************************* > > > > Saxton Academic Homepage > > > > > > > > From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper > Sent: 22 March 2011 12:37 > To: info-childes at googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping > > Anat--- > in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic > mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections > on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include > pragmatics and he agreed. > It is obvious that it is hard to understand: > the cat was chased by the dog. > but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: > > the milk was drunk by the boy > > because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, > then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, > do I have a mental operation to do it". > Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: > > the cheese ate the mouse > > they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the > sign of true acquisition. > > best, Tom Roeper > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. > > Best. > Parisa Daftarifard > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear List, > > Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". > > Thanks, > > Anat Ninio > > > On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: > Hi Nameera, > > Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry > Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. > which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say > "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) > Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? > > Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, > > Anat > > > On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: > congratulations, anat! > > hope to see you at srcd, > > nameera > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do > > I hope you'll like it! > > Anat Ninio > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shanley at bu.edu Tue Mar 22 23:06:35 2011 From: shanley at bu.edu (Shanley Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:06:35 +0100 Subject: videotaping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Brian, Thanks for that information. For SLR, the idea was to buy a Single Lens Reflex camera that also takes video and has an external mic possibility. The advantage of that would be better picture quality by having control over the depth of field. One option is the Sony a55 DSLR camera (model number SLT-A55VL; $850). One could get the same kind of video control with a higher end camcorder like the Canon XA10 high definition camcorder ($2K). What do you think of either of those options? Best, Shanley. On Mar 22, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Brian MacWhinney wrote: > Dear Shanley, > > The instructions there are still up to date. Any AVCHD camcorder is fine. The main issue is about audio out. If you want really good audio, you need a separate mike, as described there. If not, you could even consider the top-end Flip Video camera. I don't know what an SLR camcorder is. I did a web search for that and didn't come up with anything clear. Can you provide a model number? > > --Brian MacWhinney > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Shanley Allen wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> I'm about to buy a camcorder for a project taping a bilingual 2-year- >> old, and am wondering if the recommendations on the Talkbank site are >> still the latest. In particular, the models recommended don't seem to >> be easily available in Germany. Also, I wonder what you think about >> SLR camcorders. Are there pros or cons to those compared to the ones >> you've recommended? >> >> Best, >> Shanley. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Wed Mar 23 01:53:20 2011 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:53:20 -0400 Subject: pragmatic bootstrapping In-Reply-To: <1D9EEA2F-C1B8-4F6B-A826-C9645DA450B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi--- yes the name of the game is to specify the mechanism. I think there will be what I call "strict interfaces" that link many of these things. For instance: imperatives involve a mapping between speaker and hearer, situation, syntax of subject deletion, intonation and the mapping seems automatic. Social and distributional factors are a part of the situation. I am not sure about Bayseian information. Frequency is not a meaningful notion if it is not frequency of something, as soon as it is a something, a phonetic or phonologial object, it already has a representation--so you cannot "get" the representation through frequency, although it might seem that way because in fact you get many subparts of the representation one by one. LIke the phonology of the beginning middle and end of a word might have separate learning events before you ever say the word. The challenge is to specify the mapping---pragmatics, phonetics, intonation, phonology, syntax, semantics--- bootstrapping is a very misleading term because it makes things seem one way when they never are. YOur eyes don't choose the light that they take in, but they choose to form extremely complex objects. How to connect the object with a sound involves many pre-existing mental assumptions. Suppose you associate a word with an object in motion. Why do that? It is not inevitable, it is a mental bias. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Mohinish wrote: > Hi all, > > if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left > somewhat unspecified what the various, *sufficient* sources of information > that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the > induction of *linguistic* structures. So, if the baby sees that a > hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is > wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new > hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an > important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might > contain transformations. > > More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other > cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or > 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the > learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - > i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic > structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic > in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and > distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe *all* of > them are necessary... > > Mo > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: > > Dear Tom, you wrote > "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " > I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn > pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile > with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping > is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic > one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other > things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that > pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? > > Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language > delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in > high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to > respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into > creative language user. > > Best, > Parisa > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> Anat--- >> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued >> that children needed pragmatic >> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous >> syntactic and pragmatic >> information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in >> Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections >> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering >> experience" I said to him that must include >> pragmatics and he agreed. >> It is obvious that it is hard to understand: >> the cat was chased by the dog. >> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: >> >> the milk was drunk by the boy >> >> because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready >> to project a transformation, >> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get >> into the object position somehow, >> do I have a mental operation to do it". >> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, >> so if I tell a 3yr old: >> >> the cheese ate the mouse >> >> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An >> anti-pragmatic ability is the >> sign of true acquisition. >> >> best, Tom Roeper >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard < >> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Anat, >>> >>> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development >>> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic >>> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved >>> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a >>> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is >>> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can >>> get enough input in a unilateral way. >>> >>> Best. >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio < >>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List, >>>> >>>> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd >>>> love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the >>>> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Anat Ninio >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Nameera, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading >>>> your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry >>>> >>>> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & >>>> J. B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood >>>> development,* Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. >>>> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. >>>> First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say >>>> >>>> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed >>>> the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same >>>> way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or >>>> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) >>>> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of tha >>>> t I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, >>>> >>>> Anat >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: >>>> >>>> congratulations, anat! >>>> >>>> hope to see you at srcd, >>>> >>>> nameera >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio < >>>> msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by >>>>> Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its >>>>> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the >>>>> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at >>>>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do >>>>> >>>>> I hope you'll like it! >>>>> >>>>> Anat Ninio >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Parisa Daftarifard >>> Phd Student of TEFL >>> Islamic Azad University of Science and Research >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Parisa Daftarifard > Phd Student of TEFL > Islamic Azad University of Science and Research > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I have been in touch with Philip Dale who is unaware of any adaptations for Somali. thanks a lot for your help! best wishes Jeanine ========================= Professor Jeanine Treffers-Daller Professor of Linguistics Department of English, Linguistics and Communication Faculty of Creative Arts, Humanities and Education Frenchay Campus Coldharbour Lane Bristol BS16 1QY tel. 00-44-117-3282390 Room 4D03 ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper [roeper at linguist.umass.edu] Sent: 23 March 2011 01:53 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping Hi--- yes the name of the game is to specify the mechanism. I think there will be what I call "strict interfaces" that link many of these things. For instance: imperatives involve a mapping between speaker and hearer, situation, syntax of subject deletion, intonation and the mapping seems automatic. Social and distributional factors are a part of the situation. I am not sure about Bayseian information. Frequency is not a meaningful notion if it is not frequency of something, as soon as it is a something, a phonetic or phonologial object, it already has a representation--so you cannot "get" the representation through frequency, although it might seem that way because in fact you get many subparts of the representation one by one. LIke the phonology of the beginning middle and end of a word might have separate learning events before you ever say the word. The challenge is to specify the mapping---pragmatics, phonetics, intonation, phonology, syntax, semantics--- bootstrapping is a very misleading term because it makes things seem one way when they never are. YOur eyes don't choose the light that they take in, but they choose to form extremely complex objects. How to connect the object with a sound involves many pre-existing mental assumptions. Suppose you associate a word with an object in motion. Why do that? It is not inevitable, it is a mental bias. Tom On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Mohinish > wrote: Hi all, if I may jump in - I think (specially in early formulations) it was left somewhat unspecified what the various, sufficient sources of information that lead to acquisition are; the strong claim was that they lead to the induction of linguistic structures. So, if the baby sees that a hypothesized, projected linguistic structure leads to an inference that is wrong for pragmatic reasons, this should lead to the baby projecting a new hypothesis about the linguistic structure. Tom's argument is that this is an important source for the child to understand what kind of structures might contain transformations. More generally, one can replace 'pragmatic reason' with any of the other cognitive factors, like 'distributional reason' or 'social reason' or 'Bayesian reason' - in every case, however, what these must do is inform the learner about the hypotheses regarding possible linguistic structures. - i.e., confirm or disconfirm the hypotheses about the underlying linguistic structure. I think in this sense, it is simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic in what Tom writes. Nothing stops it being simultaneously syntactic and distributional and pragmatic, or any other combination. Maybe all of them are necessary... Mo On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, parisa Daftarifard wrote: Dear Tom, you wrote "That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. " I think pragmatic information should be followed by syntactic. babies learn pragmatics well sooner than syntax when they respond their parents smile with smile. What Chomsky states, I believe, is that syntactic bootstrapping is what actually happened through triggering the UG system, not pragmatic one. I mean first language learning / acquisition is triggered then other things happen. I think Anat , please correct me if I am wrong, believes that pragmatic bootstrapping is the starting point for the kids? Autistic children have problem in processing pragmatics and have language delay. through ABA program what they learn, besides many things, even in high functioning autism, is how to respond different discourses and learn to respond pragmatically. Some of them, when learn to be pragmatic, turn into creative language user. Best, Parisa On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tom Roeper > wrote: Anat--- in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include pragmatics and he agreed. It is obvious that it is hard to understand: the cat was chased by the dog. but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear: the milk was drunk by the boy because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation, then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow, do I have a mental operation to do it". Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old: the cheese ate the mouse they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition. best, Tom Roeper On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard > wrote: Dear Anat, Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way. Best. Parisa Daftarifard On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear List, Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". Thanks, Anat Ninio On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: Hi Nameera, Thanks a lot! Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press. which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319) Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point? Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, Anat On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: congratulations, anat! hope to see you at srcd, nameera On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio > wrote: Dear Friends and Colleagues, I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press. It is entitled "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do I hope you'll like it! Anat Ninio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From k.j.alcock at lancaster.ac.uk Mon Mar 28 09:39:06 2011 From: k.j.alcock at lancaster.ac.uk (Katie Alcock) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:39:06 +0100 Subject: McArthur Bates CDI for Somali? In-Reply-To: <20010E745C50274D93A655F97E281597391524D468@EGEN-MBX02.campus.ads.uwe.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think I can definitively say it hasn't - I know of most adaptations from sub-Saharan Africa and so far I think they are all Bantu. A former student of mine is working on some West African languages at the moment. (Incidentally, I don't know how this particular list works, but I have a nasty feeling that if you start with a message on topic A, leave the original message but change the subject field to topic B, it's going to be indexed online as topic A still, which appears to have been "pragmatic bootstrapping".) Katie Alcock Katie Alcock, DPhil, CPsychol Lecturer Department of Psychology University of Lancaster Fylde College Lancaster LA1 4YF Tel 01524 593833 Fax 01524 593744 Web http://www.psych.lancs.ac.uk/people/KatieAlcock.html > From: Jeanine Treffers-Daller > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:59:38 +0000 > To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: McArthur Bates CDI for Somali? > > Dear all > I'd be very grateful if you could let me know if the McArthur Bates > Communicative Development Inventory has been developed for Somali (or another > Cushitic language). > > I have been in touch with Philip Dale who is unaware of any adaptations for > Somali. > > thanks a lot for your help! > best wishes > Jeanine > ========================= > Professor Jeanine Treffers-Daller > Professor of Linguistics > Department of English, Linguistics and Communication > Faculty of Creative Arts, Humanities and Education > Frenchay Campus > Coldharbour Lane > Bristol > BS16 1QY > tel. 00-44-117-3282390 > Room 4D03 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Here are the guidelines for the application http://www.scu.edu.au/research/index.php/82/ These positions are open to international applicants Dr Heather Winskel , Psychology, Southern Cross University, Coffs Harbour Campus, New South Wales, Australia. email: Heather.winskel at scu.edu.au tel. +61 2 6659 3381 Southern Cross University Postdoctoral Fellowships aim to support excellence in full-time research undertaken across the University in areas of developing and existing research strengths. The University will be offering up to five new Fellowships during 2011. Applicants must have a PhD award dated no earlier than 1 January 2006 (PhD award date is defined as the date on the testament). APPLICATIONS CLOSE 6 May 2011 Coffs Harbour is about half way between Sydney and Brisbane. It is an extremely pleasant, peaceful, subtropical coastal location surrounded by national parks and state forests. It also has good regular flights to both Sydney and Brisbane. http://www.scu.edu.au/about/index.php/11/ http://www.visitcoffsharbour.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From macw at cmu.edu Thu Mar 31 16:20:17 2011 From: macw at cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:20:17 -0400 Subject: new Dutch narrative corpus Message-ID: Dear Info-CHILDES, I am pleased to announce the addition to CHILDES of a new corpus of narrative data from Dutch. This corpus, called Asymmetries, has been contributed by Petra Hendriks, Charlotte Koster, and Sanne Kuiper. The CK corpus of data from normal participants includes child, adult, and elderly participants describing four six-picture story sequences. Some time next year we will also add the SK corpus of data from children with ASD and ADHD. Audio is available, but it is not yet linked to the transcripts. Many thanks to Charlotte, Petra and Sanna for the contribution of this interesting corpus. -- Brian MacWhinney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes?hl=en. From megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu Thu Mar 31 16:27:09 2011 From: megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu (Sundara, Megha) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:27:09 -0700 Subject: Research co-orodinator for the language acquisition lab at UCLA Message-ID: We are looking for a curious, dynamic and organized person to work as full-time Laboratory Coordinator for the Language Acquisition Laboratory at UCLA Department of Linguistics. Responsibilities include organizing and managing subject recruitment, interacting with parents and children, aiding in experimental design, testing infants, maintaining data spreadsheets and facilitating undergraduate and graduate research projects. This is a full-time administrative position with benefits; a commitment for at least two years is required. The position starts July 1, 2011 and offers flexible hours. Salary begins at $38,880 per year, and is commensurate with experience. UCLA is an equal opportunity employer. The person must have experience working with children between 0 ? 6 years and their parents. A degree (B.A. or M.A.) in Linguistics / Psychology or related field, and research experience with infants and language acquisition is highly desirable. Proficiency in Spanish would also be great. This position is ideal for gaining experience before entering graduate school; both previous coordinators have gone to excellent doctoral programs. Details of previous research projects are available on the web pages of Nina Hyams, Susie Curtiss, Carson Sch?tze and Megha Sundara (http://www.linguistics.ucla.edu/people/faculty.htm). If you are interested, please email a CV and names of three referees to Megha Sundara (megha.sundara at humnet.ucla.edu). Applications will be accepted till the position is filled. 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