From lisa.s.pearl at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 19:36:44 2013 From: lisa.s.pearl at gmail.com (Lisa S. Pearl) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:36:44 -0700 Subject: Tenure-track assistant professor position in language at UC Irvine Message-ID: Because development is one of the specified areas for this position, I thought this might be of interest to researchers working on language development. Please feel free to get in touch if you would like more information and/or pass this on to other colleagues who may be interested. Thanks, Lisa ~~~ The Department of Cognitive Sciences (www.cogsci.uci.edu) at the University of California, Irvine (UCI) is seeking applicants for a tenure-track assistant professor faculty position. We seek candidates who combine a strong background in theoretical linguistics (including phonology, morphology, syntax, and semantics) with the empirical, developmental, or computational study of language (e.g., psycholinguistic, computational and mathematical modeling, or neurolinguistic approaches). The successful candidate will interact with a dynamic and growing community in cognitive, computational, neural, and developmental sciences within the Department, the Center for Language Science, and the Center for Cognitive Neuroscience. Individuals whose interests mesh with those of the current faculty and who will contribute to the university's active role in interdisciplinary research and teaching initiatives will be given preference. Interested candidates should apply online at: https://recruit.ap.uci.edu/apply/JPF01972 with a cover letter indicating primary research and teaching interests, CV, three recent publications, and three letters of recommendation. Application review will commence on November 1, 2013, and continue until the position is filled. The University of California has an active career partners program, is an Equal Opportunity Employer committed to excellence through diversity, and has an Advance (NSF) program for gender equity. ~~~~~~~~~~ Lisa S. Pearl Associate Professor & Undergraduate Director Department of Cognitive Sciences 3151 Social Science Plaza University of California Irvine, CA 92697-5100 Phone: 949-824-0156 Fax: 949-824-2307 lpearl at uci.edu http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~lpearl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/0587A34D-A007-4588-9556-3AB533D9DD1B%40gmail.com. 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For more information, visit our website: http://www.cfr.nichd.nih.gov. *DUTIES:* Fellows are expected to contribute actively to a longitudinal research project, including oversight of data collection, data analysis, co-authoring publications, networking with collaborators, and collaborating in the dissemination of findings. *DESIRED QUALIFICATIONS:* Completed doctorate in developmental science, especially in adolescence and early adulthood, plus strong skills in methodology, measurement, longitudinal design, survey research, and statistical analysis. Competence in planning and multitasking, and excellent organizational and written and oral communication skills are required, as is the ability to work independently and in collaboration. Salary and benefits are competitive. Appointments are eligible for renewal up to 5 years. 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The successful candidate will be expected to maintain an active research and teaching program and to supervise graduate and undergraduate students. The successful candidate must have a PhD in Developmental Psychology or a related field and a demonstrated record of published research. Information about the Department of Psychology and the program in Developmental Psychology can be found at http://www.psychology.uwaterloo.ca. Information regarding Waterloo region can be found at: http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca. The anticipated start date for the position is July 1, 2014. We will begin reviewing applications on October 15, 2013 and continue until the position is filled. Applicants should electronically submit a curriculum vitae, a statement of research and teaching interests, reprints or preprints of recent papers, and the names and contact information for three referees (including their email addresses) to: devposition at psychology.uwaterloo.ca. 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SLD Student Award: The Society for Language Development invites applications for the SLD Student Award. This award is intended to help defray the costs of attending the Symposium, for graduate students who are presenting papers or posters at BUCLD. The award includes a year's free membership in the Society for Language Development, free admission to this year's SLD Symposium, and a cash award of $75. Applicants should send a CV and their accepted BUCLD abstract (paper, poster, or alternate status) by email to Cynthia Fisher at clfishe at illinois.edu; applications are due by Oct 1. Up to two graduate students whose CVs show a record of achievement and of sustained interest in interdisciplinary research will be selected. Award recipients will be notified by email before the conference (approximately Oct 15), and the awards will be announced at the SLD Symposium on Thursday Oct 31. 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URL: From vvvstudents at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 14:12:49 2013 From: vvvstudents at gmail.com (Virginia Valian) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:12:49 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, My email about the all-male lineup is not intended to suggest that any of the speakers would not be a terrific addition. Rather, it is intended to suggest that we should be not just aiming for but achieving gender equity. Here are some relevant URLs. The first is a petition that Dan Sperber and I have sponsored: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/commitment-to-gender-equity-at-scholarly-conferences.html/ The second is a blog associated with the petition that explains what we mean by gender equity: http://forgenderequityatconferences.blogspot.fr/2012/09/q.html The third is a comment I wrote that appeared in *Nature*, *495*, 07 March 2013, and a copy of the text is here: http://forgenderequityatconferences.blogspot.com/2013/03/virginia-valians-comment-in-nature.html People may also be interested in the FAQ at the Gendered Conference Campaign: http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/gcc-faq/ Sincerely, Virginia Valian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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With only three speakers per group, sometimes we get a single-gender group (as was the case this year) but overall this does not skew the gender distribution: 2004: Heidi Feldman, Pat Kuhl, Laura-Ann Petitto (inaugural symposium) 2005: Marc Hauser, Timothy Gentner, Michael Tomasello 2006: Cynthia Fisher, Dedre Gentner, Adele Goldberg 2007: Janet Pierrehumbert, Josh Tenenbaum, Steve Pinker 2008: Susan Carey, Susan Gelman, Linda Smith 2009: Laura Schulz, Gergely Csibra, Renee Baillargeon 2010: Noam Chomsky, Randy Gallistel 2011: Rebecca Treiman, Charles Perfetti, Mark Seidenberg 2012: Rebecca Saxe, Alvaro Pascual-Leone, Ani Patel 2013: John Trueswell, Luca Bonatti, Michael Frank The Society recognizes the importance of balanced gender representation beyond the make-up of the Symposia. As many members of Info-Childes know, the past and present Editors of the SLD journal ('Language Learning and Development') have been women (Susan Goldin-Meadow; Cynthia Fisher), as is the SLD President (Lila Gleitman), several members of the editorial and advisory boards, and the current Chair of the SLD Symposium committee (myself). So we very much agree with the idea that we should not just be aiming for but achieving gender equity in our field - in fact, we believe that, in organizing our annual Symposia, we have come very close to doing just that. We will continue our efforts to invite outstanding scientists (both women and men) to participate in the Society's activities. We are looking forward to seeing everyone in the SLD Symposium in October! 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URL: From vvvstudents at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 11:16:08 2013 From: vvvstudents at gmail.com (Virginia Valian) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:16:08 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <20cf3063e21511818204e4240e81@google.com> Message-ID: Dear Anna, I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't expect 50-50, but many more men. Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they see in prestigious positions. As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we all use cognitive heuristics. Sincerely, VVV Virginia Valian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Sun Aug 18 19:37:38 2013 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:37:38 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <3335_1376824570_5210ACFA_3335_5149_1_CAKkumJZ=tq+Azw8QiB++BQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Ana and Ginny-- There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of mine that the relevance of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and grasped. How often does one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language family X, Y, Z and in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous acquisition behavior for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more persuasive than very indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple confirmation of ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a large number of women in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not entirely without overt evidence--- but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language acquisition is for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself remarks like "morphology is for women", but not recently. Tom Roeper On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: > Dear Anna, > > I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will be > excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. > > I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good > to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this > year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a > primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not > be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. > That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but > many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't > expect 50-50, but many more men. > > Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose > voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. > People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they > see in prestigious positions. > > As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my > gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - > the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and > female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be > more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we > all use cognitive heuristics. > > Sincerely, > > VVV > > Virginia Valian > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barriere.isa at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 14:48:47 2013 From: barriere.isa at gmail.com (Isa Barriere) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:48:47 -0400 Subject: A related question and comment Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic Message-ID: Dear Virginia, Ana and Ginny, 1. Does anyone know here I can find demographic information (including gender. ethnic etc break down) for a) undergraduate and graduate students in Linguistics programs an b) faculty Linguistics in the US? 2. A comment related to Tom's Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition in London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the males' research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all the females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of course some people do both ... Cheers, Isabelle On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Dear Ana and Ginny-- > > There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of > mine that the relevance > of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and > grasped. How often does > one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language > family X, Y, Z and > in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous > acquisition behavior > for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more > persuasive than very > indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple > confirmation of > ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. > This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a > large number of women > in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not entirely > without overt evidence--- > but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language > acquisition is > for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself > remarks like "morphology > is for women", but not recently. > > Tom Roeper > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: > >> Dear Anna, >> >> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >> >> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good >> to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this >> year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a >> primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >> expect 50-50, but many more men. >> >> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose >> voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >> see in prestigious positions. >> >> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - >> the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and >> female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be >> more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we >> all use cognitive heuristics. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> VVV >> >> Virginia Valian >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Cheers, Rose Maier Rose Maier Doctoral Student Department of Psychology University of Oregon Office: Straub 493 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Isa Barriere wrote: > Dear Virginia, Ana and Ginny, > 1. Does anyone know here I can find demographic information (including > gender. ethnic etc break down) for a) undergraduate and graduate students > in Linguistics programs an b) faculty Linguistics in the US? > > 2. A comment related to Tom's > Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition in > London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the males' > research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all the > females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real > children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of > course some people do both ... > > Cheers, > Isabelle > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> Dear Ana and Ginny-- >> >> There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of >> mine that the relevance >> of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and >> grasped. How often does >> one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language >> family X, Y, Z and >> in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous >> acquisition behavior >> for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more >> persuasive than very >> indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple >> confirmation of >> ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. >> This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a >> large number of women >> in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not >> entirely without overt evidence--- >> but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language >> acquisition is >> for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself >> remarks like "morphology >> is for women", but not recently. >> >> Tom Roeper >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: >> >>> Dear Anna, >>> >>> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >>> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >>> >>> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good >>> to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this >>> year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a >>> primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >>> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >>> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >>> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >>> expect 50-50, but many more men. >>> >>> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women >>> whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >>> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >>> see in prestigious positions. >>> >>> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >>> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - >>> the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and >>> female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be >>> more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we >>> all use cognitive heuristics. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> VVV >>> >>> Virginia Valian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2ZVTGKjR4oCGDGTC0S0j6G5_m9M9-3j%3DacQo6H%2B1Bd40A%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Linguistics BAs granted 2010: Female 1,124; Male 558 Linguistics grad enrollment, 2010: Female 1,888; Male 1,244 (includes full- and part-time) Linguistics PhDs granted 2001: Female 109; Male 84 Linguistics PhDs granted 2010: Female 115; Male 88 Best, VVV -- Virginia Valian Distinguished Professor Department of Psychology, Hunter College PhD Programs in Linguistics, Psychology, and Speech-Language-Hearing Sciences, CUNY Grad Center vvvstudents at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJbEejs9NUD1n8P344MpNPA-NgaP40PK%3DeSn1upWP5-BCQ%40mail.gmail.com. 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For example, if adult/theorizing work and acquisition work differ substantially in the amount of formalizing involved, it would not be surprising to find a gender difference. (I realize that there is much controversy about the 'why' of this, but the existence of such a difference is well-established.) In other fields, not characterized by that type of difference, the demography might be very different. And worth studying. Philip Dale Speech & Hearing Sciences University of New Mexico From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Virginia Valian Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:13 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Abridged summary of info-childes at googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic The NSF link Rose Maier provided is very helpful. I've summarized the information here. Linguistics BAs granted 2010: Female 1,124; Male 558 Linguistics grad enrollment, 2010: Female 1,888; Male 1,244 (includes full- and part-time) Linguistics PhDs granted 2001: Female 109; Male 84 Linguistics PhDs granted 2010: Female 115; Male 88 Best, VVV -- Virginia Valian Distinguished Professor Department of Psychology, Hunter College PhD Programs in Linguistics, Psychology, and Speech-Language-Hearing Sciences, CUNY Grad Center vvvstudents at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJbEejs9NUD1n8P344MpNPA-NgaP40PK%3DeSn1upWP5-BCQ%40mail.gmail.com. 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I did not think I could get the information this way since Linguistics is not a STEM field. Best, Isabelle On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, rose maier wrote: > Dear Isabelle, > The NSF tracks information about the participation of women, minorities, > and people with disabilities in STEM fields, and makes the most current > data publicly available here: > http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/2013/tables.cfm > These tables include information on women's enrollment in undergraduate > and graduate programs, as well as degrees awarded at various levels (BS/BA > through PhD) and attainment of career milestones. If you select the tables > organized by field and then by gender, you should be able to get the > information you're looking for about Linguistics. > Cheers, > Rose Maier > > Rose Maier > Doctoral Student > Department of Psychology > University of Oregon > Office: Straub 493 > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Isa Barriere wrote: > >> Dear Virginia, Ana and Ginny, >> 1. Does anyone know here I can find demographic information (including >> gender. ethnic etc break down) for a) undergraduate and graduate students >> in Linguistics programs an b) faculty Linguistics in the US? >> >> 2. A comment related to Tom's >> Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition >> in London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the >> males' research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all >> the females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real >> children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of >> course some people do both ... >> >> Cheers, >> Isabelle >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: >> >>> Dear Ana and Ginny-- >>> >>> There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of >>> mine that the relevance >>> of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and >>> grasped. How often does >>> one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language >>> family X, Y, Z and >>> in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous >>> acquisition behavior >>> for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more >>> persuasive than very >>> indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple >>> confirmation of >>> ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. >>> This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has >>> a large number of women >>> in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not >>> entirely without overt evidence--- >>> but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language >>> acquisition is >>> for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself >>> remarks like "morphology >>> is for women", but not recently. >>> >>> Tom Roeper >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Anna, >>>> >>>> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >>>> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >>>> >>>> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's >>>> good to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than >>>> this year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is >>>> a primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >>>> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >>>> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >>>> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >>>> expect 50-50, but many more men. >>>> >>>> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women >>>> whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >>>> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >>>> see in prestigious positions. >>>> >>>> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >>>> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm- the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male >>>> and female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to >>>> be more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and >>>> we all use cognitive heuristics. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> VVV >>>> >>>> Virginia Valian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Roeper >>> Dept of Lingiustics >>> UMass South College >>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>> 413 256 0390 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2ZVTGKjR4oCGDGTC0S0j6G5_m9M9-3j%3DacQo6H%2B1Bd40A%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CACjLnjCu9J7nk%3DWzCFigdxpqXjgk1rru4t%2BtaS0SSUn37j6DcA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. 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Great idea Eileen Brann, PhD Assistant Professor Communication Disorders Governors State University University Park, Illinois On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The Still face paradigm video (also on YouTube) happens to be a good one that students generally enjoy watching; it has opened a lot of discussion and comments in class. Thanks, Siva priya Santhanam On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Bruno-- > > there's quite a few in my book The Prism of Grammar---but especially the > examples > of how children resist recursive possessives--- > > Tom Roeper > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSnJJwT2yvZG3Zq1bwqS7jujAHAm2rZn0Hav5CrxZBWxpA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Siva priya Shriram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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URL: From dalep at unm.edu Wed Aug 21 03:18:11 2013 From: dalep at unm.edu (Philip Dale) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 03:18:11 +0000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: It's hard to beat Melissa Bowerman's classic examples of noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., "I'm gonna fall this on you" and "Don't eat her, she's smelly" (don't feed her, she needs her diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. Philip Dale From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From cbowen at ihug.com.au Wed Aug 21 03:47:18 2013 From: cbowen at ihug.com.au (Caroline Bowen) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:47:18 +1000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Heard on a London bus, in piercingly clear RP. Little Sister (3) It's not fair, Mummy. My nose won't blow. Big brother (4) Why won't Fissy's nose blow, Mummy? My nose is a snot factory. Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman From: Bruno Reply-To: Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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Evan ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Caroline Bowen [cbowen at ihug.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 1:47 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Heard on a London bus, in piercingly clear RP. Little Sister (3) It's not fair, Mummy. My nose won't blow. Big brother (4) Why won't Fissy's nose blow, Mummy? My nose is a snot factory. Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman [cid:C23D91C0-958D-4284-A247-6CD5CFB5486A] From: Bruno > Reply-To: > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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Caro ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Evan Kidd [evan.kidd at anu.edu.au] Sent: 21 August 2013 04:58 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hi Bruno et al., Thea Cameron-Faulkner and I published a diary study on the presence of (and recovery from) errors in the use of 1PS-present form of BE. There are quite a few examples in the paper: Cameron-Faulkner, T., & Kidd, E. (2007). I’m are what I’m are: the acquisition of 1ps-present BE. Cognitive Linguistics, 18, 1 – 22. Evan ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Caroline Bowen [cbowen at ihug.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 1:47 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Heard on a London bus, in piercingly clear RP. Little Sister (3) It's not fair, Mummy. My nose won't blow. Big brother (4) Why won't Fissy's nose blow, Mummy? My nose is a snot factory. Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman [cid:C23D91C0-958D-4284-A247-6CD5CFB5486A] From: Bruno > Reply-To: > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: CHI: how did you get that sneezes ? MOT: someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . CHI: mmmm I know who . MOT: mmmm . who ? CHI: that sneezy girl . MOT: oh that sneezy girl . CHI: um . she gives lots of sneezes to everyone . MOT: mmmm . CHI: I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx MOT: oh my gosh . CHI: the the the the the sneezes . MOT: mmmm . CHI: but I think the the coughy girl --I mean the cough girl would maybe give me my, my coughs . best, Aliyah Le 21 août 2013 à 05:18, Philip Dale a écrit : > It’s hard to beat Melissa Bowerman’s classic examples of noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., “I’m gonna fall this on you” and “Don’t eat her, she’s smelly” (don’t feed her, she needs her diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. > Philip Dale > > From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM > To: info-childes at googlegroups.com > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/6618A51715035E4B9E651AABE824D9773EFEFF48%40BLUPRD0711MB425.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Pearson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:15:31 +0000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801@gmail.com> Message-ID: I enjoyed hearing my son (age 4) explaining the principle of markedness to a friend (overhead from the backseat of the car): If you want to say something smells good, you have to say "good", but if you want to say it smells bad, you just have to say "it smells." Barbara On Aug 21, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Aliyah MORGENSTERN wrote: Tell us if you only want examples in English Bruno.... I also like Melissa's "dance me Daddy" in the same vein as the other causatives. There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: CHI: how did you get that sneezes ? MOT: someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . CHI: mmmm I know who . MOT: mmmm . who ? CHI: that sneezy girl . MOT: oh that sneezy girl . CHI: um . she gives lots of sneezes to everyone . MOT: mmmm . CHI: I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx MOT: oh my gosh . CHI: the the the the the sneezes . MOT: mmmm . CHI: but I think the the coughy girl --I mean the cough girl would maybe give me my, my coughs . best, Aliyah Le 21 août 2013 à 05:18, Philip Dale a écrit : It’s hard to beat Melissa Bowerman’s classic examples of noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., “I’m gonna fall this on you” and “Don’t eat her, she’s smelly” (don’t feed her, she needs her diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. Philip Dale From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. 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From benjamin.boerschinger at googlemail.com Wed Aug 21 11:17:38 2013 From: benjamin.boerschinger at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Benjamin_B=C3=B6rschinger?=) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:17:38 +1000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aliyah Morgenstern wrote: > > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper > on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my > notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > That from when Lily is 3 years and 8 months old: http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Eng-NA/Providence/Lily/lil77.cha best, benjamin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Thank you all Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies https://sites.google.com/site/brunoestigarribialing/ http://roml.unc.edu/people/spanish/faculty/bruno-estigarribia/ University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > Tell us if you only want examples in English Bruno.... > I also like Melissa's "dance me Daddy" in the same vein as the other > causatives. > > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a > paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I > lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > > CHI:how did you get *that sneezes *? > > MOT:someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . > > CHI: mmmm I know who . > > MOT:mmmm . who ? > > CHI:that *sneezy girl *. > > MOT:oh that sneezy girl . > > CHI:um . she *gives lots of sneezes t*o everyone . > > MOT:mmmm . > > CHI:I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx > > MOT:oh my gosh . > > CHI:the the the the the sneezes . > > MOT:mmmm . > > CHI:but I think the *the coughy girl *--I mean *the cough girl* would > maybe *give me my, my coughs *. > > best, > Aliyah > > Le 21 août 2013 à 05:18, Philip Dale a écrit : > >> It's hard to beat Melissa Bowerman's classic examples of >> noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., "I'm gonna fall this on you" >> and "Don't eat her, she's smelly" (don't feed her, she needs her >> diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of >> children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. >> Philip Dale >> *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com >> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]*On >> Behalf Of*Bruno >> *Sent:*Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM >> *To:*info-childes at googlegroups.com >> *Subject:*fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers >> >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my >> language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, >> McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for >> example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). >> Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids >> say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this >> way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email toinfo-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> To post to this group, send email toinfo-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web >> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email toinfo-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> To post to this group, send email toinfo-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web >> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/6618A51715035E4B9E651AABE824D9773EFEFF48%40BLUPRD0711MB425.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801%40gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Best, Roberta On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and Cognitive Science University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the Evidence" (Oxford) http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ Please check out our doctoral program at http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com. 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Le 21 août 2013 à 13:17, Benjamin Börschinger a écrit : > > Aliyah Morgenstern wrote: > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > > That from when Lily is 3 years and 8 months old: http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Eng-NA/Providence/Lily/lil77.cha > > best, > > benjamin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFKJfCO_P0vU%3DVCFS7_pEz2%3DaVqMZQ9T7pQM6n8Y3%2BevDpRRww%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Elena On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? > > My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That > a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... > > Best, Roberta > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. > Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor > School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and > Cognitive Science > University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 > Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 > Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ > Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the > Evidence" (Oxford) > http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ > Please check out our doctoral program at > http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html > The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Elena Nicoladis "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only sure criterion is to have fun." Edward Tolman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walesgin at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 15:35:42 2013 From: walesgin at gmail.com (walesgin) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:35:42 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can also find many examples in my chapter in the Bowerman festschrift volume. Here are just a few randomly selected examples, from my daughter and grandchildren: Rachel: R: Who’s the marveloust cat in the world? M:What? [not knowing if there’s a /t/ at end] [R repeats above 2 times]. M: What? R:Who’s the best ( marveloust) cat in the world? [M asks R to say it slowly]. [R says slowly 3 times, last time: ] R: Who is the mar—ve—lous—t cat in the world? 5;5.17 Sadie: [Sadie on toilet:] I think I’m gonna use up a gallon of that toilet paper! 4;2.2 Saul: (36) Saul 4;11.12 S: You have 10 fingers and I have 10. M: So who has more? S: You. M: I have more? S: Yes, because yours are bigger. I mean just look at them! Sadie: V: [on phone to S, near Christmas time] Did you put up a Christmas tree? S: No. We put a tree in the house. 3;5.26 Sadie: S: I so wish we could get that thing out of my butt! M: The poop? S: Yeah! 3;1.21 Sadie: How old I am is S-A-D-I-E. My name is S-A-D-I-E. 3;2.14 Sadie: [V sent Sadie package full of hair clips at Halloween time. Sadie mentioning how much fun it was to open up the package:] It was so much fun. It was 20 fun! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. It takes a long time to get to 20. 3;4.8 Is everybody as tired as I am? I’m 150 tired…I’m 199 tired. 3;9.22 You’re very lucky. You’re 20 hundred and 750 lucky. 3;9.24 [V and Sadie discussing how Sadie was “lost” at a park one time:] V: But Sadie wasn’t worried. Not one teensy bit. S: Not even 2. Not even 3. Not even 4. Not even 5…bit. 3;9.24 For more examples and explanations, see: Gathercole, Virginia C. Mueller. 2010. "It was so much fun. It was *20*fun!" Cognitive and linguistic invitations to the development of scalar predicates. In V. C. M. Gathercole (Editor), *Routes to language: Studies in honor of Melissa Bowerman*. N.Y.: Psychology Press, Taylor & Francis. 319-443. V. C. Mueller Gathercole Professor of Linguistics Florida International University http://vcmuellergathercole.weebly.com/index.html "Always credit the PHOTOGRAPHER." On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), > "I have a spicy bum!" > > Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an > itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). > > Elena > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > >> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >> >> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That >> a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >> >> Best, Roberta >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >> Cognitive Science >> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >> Evidence" (Oxford) >> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >> Please check out our doctoral program at >> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Elena Nicoladis > > "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in > such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any > individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to > follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In > fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only > sure criterion is to have fun." > Edward Tolman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAOr3bM6Lk7VJBRfJ7HejR%2B81Cp8EQgf-PGg00wZ2dsaQYj%2Bg%3DA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csilva at usc.edu Wed Aug 21 17:57:13 2013 From: csilva at usc.edu (Silva-corvalan, Carmen: USC) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:57:13 -0700 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Bruno: Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that I’ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it’ll be out in Jan. 2014 (the link for information is http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n) From: *Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the first six years*. The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. (66) G: What’s on your mind now? N: Which mind? (2;10.22) G: What are you trying to get? (148) [N doesn’t want to tell a story] N: Porque estoy muy *cansado*-masc para un cuento. Tengo la voz, *la*-fem* boca*-fem* cansada*-fem. (3;9) ‘Because I’m very *tired* for a story. I have my voice, my *mouth tired *.’ (151) N: Bibi, *cómbete* con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from *comb*, instead of *péinate*] ‘Bibi, *comb-yourself* with your brush.’ (160) B: La Navidad está ahora *over*. (2;10) [from ‘to be over’, * terminar* in Spanish] ‘Christmas is now *over*’ (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) ‘Turn on the water, daddy.’ (187) C: Había una vez dos niños- B: No, Bibi, no dos niños, un niño y una niña. (2;6.11) (178) *Paraphrasis and metaphor*. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, 4;5) B: ¿Sabes, Bibi, ese camión verde? ‘You know, Bibi, that green truck?’ C: ¿De la basura? ‘For trash?’ B: El camión verde que lleva soldados. [that is, *un tanque* ‘a tank’] ‘The green truck that carries soldiers.’ C: ¡Ah, el tanque! ‘Ah! The tank! B: Sí, el tanque. ‘Yes, the tank.’ B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese camión verde. [* trompa* ‘trunk’ for ‘cannon’] ‘They cut the trunk of that green truck.’ C: La trompa; *you mean* ‘el cañón del tanque’? ‘The trunk; you mean ‘the cannon of the tank’?’ B: Sí; el cañón por donde tiran esa bola, ese *cannon ball*. ‘Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon ball.’ On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:44:00 PM UTC-7, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/4dd68069-5831-41a0-b5f8-f4812b16282c%40googlegroups.com. 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Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to play with all of the toys in the waiting room." I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of development, individual differences in development, differences between production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition exclusively on production data, and so forth. Best, Jim James Morgan Professor Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: > Hi Bruno, > > In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my > daughter: > > When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of > four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss > 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we > were beginning to worry about possible language delay. > > Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's > office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not > her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You > know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to > play with all of the toys in the waiting room." > > I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into > discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of > development, individual differences in development, differences between > production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition > exclusively on production data, and so forth. > > Best, > Jim > > James Morgan > Professor > Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABmr1p9Px%2BbOyM9xrG4%3DuiVYJZNysH31rDt5DKpQy%2B1AqQxtvw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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After a few minutes, 1 child > exclaimed, "Oh my god, they named a car after that!" > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > > In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my > daughter: > > When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of > four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss > 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we > were beginning to worry about possible language delay. > > Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's > office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not > her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You > know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to > play with all of the toys in the waiting room." > > I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into > discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of > development, individual differences in development, differences between > production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition > exclusively on production data, and so forth. > > Best, > Jim > > James Morgan > Professor > Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABmr1p9Px%2BbOyM9xrG4%3DuiVYJZNysH31rDt5DKpQy%2B1AqQxtvw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CACZjGG8LeH4jvFxw-MLFck5Z2inLrBrMycdQKGFPpXUguH576w%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Susan A. 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URL: From fraibetaveledo at yahoo.com.ar Wed Aug 21 19:03:12 2013 From: fraibetaveledo at yahoo.com.ar (fraibet) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:33:12 -0430 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My Spanish student , 7;00 , who was bilingual in French and English and was learning Spanish said once: Esa voitura roja pasó cerca , meaning " that red car passed close (to us)" She didn't remember the word in Spanish for car", "coche" , so she used the french word, voiture, which is feminine, and perfectly use the feminine adjectives for agreement in Spanish. I hope it helps Fraibet Aveledo ESRC Centre for Bilingualism, Bangor University, UK Newcastle University , UK Simón Bolívar University, Venezuela On 21/08/2013, at 11:05, walesgin wrote: > You can also find many examples in my chapter in the Bowerman festschrift volume. Here are just a few randomly selected examples, from my daughter and grandchildren: > > Rachel: > > R: Who’s the marveloust cat in the world? > > M:What? [not knowing if there’s a /t/ at end] > > [R repeats above 2 times]. > > M: What? > > R:Who’s the best ( marveloust) cat in the world? > > [M asks R to say it slowly]. > > [R says slowly 3 times, last time: ] > > R: Who is the mar—ve—lous—t cat in the world? 5;5.17 > > > > > > Sadie: > > [Sadie on toilet:] I think I’m gonna use up a gallon of that toilet paper! 4;2.2 > > > > > > Saul: > > (36) Saul 4;11.12 > > S: You have 10 fingers and I have 10. > > M: So who has more? > > S: You. > > M: I have more? > > S: Yes, because yours are bigger. I mean just look at them! > > > > > > Sadie: > > V: [on phone to S, near Christmas time] Did you put up a Christmas tree? > > S: No. We put a tree in the house. > > 3;5.26 > > > > > > Sadie: > > S: I so wish we could get that thing out of my butt! > > M: The poop? > > S: Yeah! > > 3;1.21 > > > > > > Sadie: > > How old I am is S-A-D-I-E. My name is S-A-D-I-E. 3;2.14 > > > > > > Sadie: > > [V sent Sadie package full of hair clips at Halloween time. Sadie mentioning how much fun it was to open up the package:] > > It was so much fun. It was 20 fun! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. It takes a long time to get to 20. 3;4.8 > > > > Is everybody as tired as I am? I’m 150 tired…I’m 199 tired. 3;9.22 > > > > You’re very lucky. You’re 20 hundred and 750 lucky. 3;9.24 > > > > > > [V and Sadie discussing how Sadie was “lost” at a park one time:] > > V: But Sadie wasn’t worried. Not one teensy bit. > > S: Not even 2. Not even 3. Not even 4. Not even 5…bit. 3;9.24 > > > > For more examples and explanations, see: > > Gathercole, Virginia C. Mueller. 2010. "It was so much fun. It was 20 fun!" Cognitive and linguistic invitations to the development of scalar predicates. In V. C. M. Gathercole (Editor), Routes to language: Studies in honor of Melissa Bowerman. N.Y.: Psychology Press, Taylor & Francis. 319-443. > > > > V. C. Mueller Gathercole > Professor of Linguistics > Florida International University > > http://vcmuellergathercole.weebly.com/index.html > > > "Always credit the PHOTOGRAPHER." > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: >> My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), "I have a spicy bum!" >> >> Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). >> >> Elena >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: >>> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >>> >>> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >>> >>> Best, Roberta >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>>> Thanks all. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> Bruno Estigarribia >>>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures >>>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >>> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >>> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and Cognitive Science >>> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >>> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >>> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >>> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the Evidence" (Oxford) >>> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >>> Please check out our doctoral program at http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >>> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> Elena Nicoladis >> >> "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only sure criterion is to have fun." >> Edward Tolman >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAOr3bM6Lk7VJBRfJ7HejR%2B81Cp8EQgf-PGg00wZ2dsaQYj%2Bg%3DA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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(also noir is 'black' in French) Eithan: Je n'ais pas vue "l'entonne noir" mais "j'ais vue l'entonne orange" (I didn't find the "l'entonne noir (=black)" but I saw "l'entonne orange" (The color of their funnel is orange) Best Limor Dr. Limor Adi-Bensaid (PhD) Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Faculty of Health Profession Ono Academic College Israel From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Gelman Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:51 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Molly, which car? Audi?? On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Molly Millians wrote: I taught first grade many years ago. A group of 6 and 7 year old's were looking at a kid's book of the human body. After a few minutes, 1 child exclaimed, "Oh my god, they named a car after that!" On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: Hi Bruno, In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my daughter: When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we were beginning to worry about possible language delay. Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to play with all of the toys in the waiting room." I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of development, individual differences in development, differences between production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition exclusively on production data, and so forth. Best, Jim James Morgan Professor Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. 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Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es bête' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les forêt feux empêchent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Thu Aug 22 01:59:31 2013 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:59:31 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <7134_1377092966_5214C566_7134_1360_1_CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz=CHGEZ7tU+CVPsbUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's a few from my book Prism of Grammar (and from my children): at 3yrs my son said, when he had a stomach ache: "there's a fire-engine in my stomach" my daughter said one day: "My mind is very angry, and so am I" when I asked my son why he is good at chess he said: "because I use my brain, instead of thinking" or his first use of recursion: "I am not as tall as you as Mom" These allow us to think a little bit,don't they--- Tom Roeper On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), > "I have a spicy bum!" > > Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an > itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). > > Elena > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > >> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >> >> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That >> a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >> >> Best, Roberta >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >> Cognitive Science >> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >> Evidence" (Oxford) >> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >> Please check out our doctoral program at >> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Elena Nicoladis > > "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in > such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any > individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to > follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In > fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only > sure criterion is to have fun." > Edward Tolman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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When I asked him where he heard the word 'childs', he said 'sometimes you say this is another child's bag'. Leher On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Here's a few from my book Prism of Grammar (and from my children): > > at 3yrs my son said, when he had a stomach ache: > "there's a fire-engine in my stomach" > > my daughter said one day: > "My mind is very angry, and so am I" > when I asked my son why he is good at chess he said: > "because I use my brain, instead of thinking" > or his first use of recursion: > "I am not as tall as you as Mom" > > These allow us to think a little bit,don't they--- > > Tom Roeper > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > >> My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), >> "I have a spicy bum!" >> >> Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an >> itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). >> >> Elena >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: >> >>> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >>> >>> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, >>> "That a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >>> >>> Best, Roberta >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this >>>> way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>>> Thanks all. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> Bruno Estigarribia >>>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>>> Literatures >>>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >>> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >>> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >>> Cognitive Science >>> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >>> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >>> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >>> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >>> Evidence" (Oxford) >>> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >>> Please check out our doctoral program at >>> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >>> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Elena Nicoladis >> >> "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in >> such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any >> individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to >> follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In >> fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only >> sure criterion is to have fun." >> Edward Tolman >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkKX_oP_s8XZybC%3Dz78QW_TMA%3DtH7fgqLenpyK7Dw8Hiw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. 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Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lulusong at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 14:34:58 2013 From: lulusong at gmail.com (Lulu Song) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:34:58 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd wrote: > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together): > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE > > > > > -- > Celeste Kidd > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ > +1 617 515 2461 > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- 宋露露 Lulu Song, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education School of Education Brooklyn College, City University of New York 2900 Bedford Ave. Brooklyn, NY 11210 Office: James Hall, Room 2307B Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 Fax: +1-718-951-4816 Web: http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA Professor and Chairman Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) Faculty, Language IGERT University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213 nratner at umd.edu http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote: I like using YouTube clips for teaching. Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. The anecdote is published here: Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From jms2cor4 at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:34:08 2013 From: jms2cor4 at gmail.com (Jamie Mahurin Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:34:08 -0500 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D@OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU> Message-ID: This example reminded me of something my son said when he was still figuring out sequencing for both sounds and words. Late one night he woke me up, telling me to take him into the kitchen for a snack. Instead of "Kitchen. I eat," he said, "Chicken. Eat. Me." :-D Jamie Jamie On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner wrote: > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years – she was a bit > precocious:**** > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing “do you want me to pick you up?” often, > so that it became a single verb**** > > I do it Jamieself**** > > ** ** > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the > chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status > of the –en.**** > > ** ** > > N**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA**** > > Professor and Chairman**** > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences**** > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS)**** > > Faculty, Language IGERT**** > > University of Maryland**** > > 0100 Lefrak Hall**** > > College Park, MD 20742**** > > 301-405-4213**** > > nratner at umd.edu**** > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers**** > > ** ** > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list):**** > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!"**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote:**** > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. **** > > ** ** > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together):**** > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU**** > > ** ** > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics:**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > Celeste Kidd**** > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester**** > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268**** > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/**** > > +1 617 515 2461**** > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > **** > > ** ** > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote:**** > > > > **** > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin.**** > > ** ** > > The anecdote is published here: **** > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote:**** > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.**** > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > .**** > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > 宋露露 Lulu Song, Ph.D.**** > > Assistant Professor**** > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education**** > > School of Education**** > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York**** > > 2900 Bedford Ave.**** > > Brooklyn, NY 11210**** > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B**** > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu**** > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784**** > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816**** > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > **** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Sometimes the adults would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's really requesting rather than offering. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner wrote: > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years – she was a bit > precocious:**** > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing “do you want me to pick you up?” often, > so that it became a single verb**** > > I do it Jamieself**** > > ** ** > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the > chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status > of the –en.**** > > ** ** > > N**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA**** > > Professor and Chairman**** > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences**** > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS)**** > > Faculty, Language IGERT**** > > University of Maryland**** > > 0100 Lefrak Hall**** > > College Park, MD 20742**** > > 301-405-4213**** > > nratner at umd.edu**** > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers**** > > ** ** > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list):**** > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!"**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote:**** > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. **** > > ** ** > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together):**** > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU**** > > ** ** > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics:**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > Celeste Kidd**** > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester**** > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268**** > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/**** > > +1 617 515 2461**** > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > **** > > ** ** > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote:**** > > > > **** > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin.**** > > ** ** > > The anecdote is published here: **** > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote:**** > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.**** > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > .**** > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > 宋露露 Lulu Song, Ph.D.**** > > Assistant Professor**** > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education**** > > School of Education**** > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York**** > > 2900 Bedford Ave.**** > > Brooklyn, NY 11210**** > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B**** > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu**** > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784**** > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816**** > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > **** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- 宋露露 Lulu Song, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education School of Education Brooklyn College, City University of New York 2900 Bedford Ave. Brooklyn, NY 11210 Office: James Hall, Room 2307B Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 Fax: +1-718-951-4816 Web: http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Individual differences in pronoun reversal: Evidence from two longitudinal case studies. /Journal of Child Language/, 39, 162-191. On 23/08/13 6:37 PM, Lulu Song wrote: > My daughter, now 2;3, persistently uses "you" "your" and "yours" > instead of "I" "me" "my" or "mine" (in Mandarin). Sometimes the adults > would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, > "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's > really requesting rather than offering. > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner > > wrote: > > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years -- she was a > bit precocious: > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing "do you want me to pick you > up?" often, so that it became a single verb > > I do it Jamieself > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked > for the chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the > morphological status of the --en. > > N > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA > > Professor and Chairman > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) > > Faculty, Language IGERT > > University of Maryland > > 0100 Lefrak Hall > > College Park, MD 20742 > > 301-405-4213 > > nratner at umd.edu > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan > > *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com > > [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously > shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I > might have learned about it from our list): > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > > wrote: > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the > meaning of a chunk of words together): > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE > > -- > Celeste Kidd > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ > > > +1 617 515 2461 > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > > > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like > this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child > and adult-directed language. /Journal of Child Language/, 1-19. > Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my > language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis > phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun > errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with > attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in > figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used > this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages > and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > ?? ? Lulu Song, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education > > School of Education > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York > > 2900 Bedford Ave. > > Brooklyn, NY 11210 > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816 > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education > School of Education > Brooklyn College, City University of New York > 2900 Bedford Ave. > Brooklyn, NY 11210 > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 > Fax: +1-718-951-4816 > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9MJYRyfKf%3DTdVUbPkePY0eB0m3SFghnUpAN2G9SO9scjXQ%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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At age 5; 3 during a Thanksgiving dinner someone was asked if they’d like some more pumpkin pie and responded “no thanks, I am all pumpkined out”, my son replied “well, I’m all pumpkined in”. Sean From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:38 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My daughter, now 2;3, persistently uses "you" "your" and "yours" instead of "I" "me" "my" or "mine" (in Mandarin). Sometimes the adults would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's really requesting rather than offering. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner > wrote: My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years – she was a bit precocious: Pick you up me (presumably hearing “do you want me to pick you up?” often, so that it became a single verb I do it Jamieself Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status of the –en. N Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA Professor and Chairman Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) Faculty, Language IGERT University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213 nratner at umd.edu http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote: I like using YouTube clips for teaching. Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. The anecdote is published here: Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From csilva at usc.edu Fri Aug 23 17:11:46 2013 From: csilva at usc.edu (Carmen Silva-Corvalan) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:11:46 -0700 Subject: Some Spanish and English examples from developing bilinguals Message-ID: Hi Bruno: Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that I’ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it’ll be out in Jan. 2014 ("Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the first six years.") (the link for information is http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n ) The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. I wanted to just "post it" but I think that attempt failed. (66) G: What’s on your mind now? [N talking with his grandpa] N: Which mind? (2;10.22) G: What are you trying to get? (148) [N doesn’t want to tell a story] N: Porque estoy muy cansado para un cuento. Tengo la voz, la boca cansada. (3;9) ‘Because I’m very tired for a story. I have my voice, my mouth tired.’ (151) N: Bibi, cómbete con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from comb, instead of péinate] ‘Bibi, comb-yourself with your brush.’ (160) B: La Navidad está ahora over. (2;10) [from ‘to be over’, terminar in Spanish] ‘Christmas is now over’ (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) ‘Turn on the water, daddy.’ (187) C: Había una vez dos niños- B: No, Bibi, no dos niños, un niño y una niña. (2;6.11) (178) Paraphrasis and metaphor. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, 4;5) B: ¿Sabes, Bibi, ese camión verde? ‘You know, Bibi, that green truck?’ C: ¿De la basura? ‘For trash?’ B: El camión verde que lleva soldados. [that is, un tanque ‘a tank’] ‘The green truck that carries soldiers.’ C: ¡Ah, el tanque! ‘Ah! The tank! B: Sí, el tanque. ‘Yes, the tank.’ B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese camión verde. [trompa ‘trunk’ for ‘cannon’] ‘They cut the trunk of that green truck.’ C: La trompa; you mean ‘el cañón del tanque’? ‘The trunk; you mean ‘the cannon of the tank’?’ B: Sí; el cañón por donde tiran esa bola, ese cannon ball. ‘Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon ball.’ __________________________________ Carmen Silva-Corvalán Professor, University of Southern California Editor, Bilingualism: Language and Cognition -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/72e0a0e5198c51.52173562%40usc.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. From imoreno at uma.es Fri Aug 23 17:37:03 2013 From: imoreno at uma.es (Ignacio Moreno Torres Sanchez) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:37:03 +0200 Subject: Some Spanish and English examples from developing bilinguals In-Reply-To: <72e0a0e5198c51.52173562@usc.edu> Message-ID: Here you have one Spanish example from my 5 years old daugther. On one ocassion she spilled someone's coffee. So I said to her: Cuidado Blanca, has tirado el café. (Be careful, Blanca, you spilled the coffe) Her reply was: No lo he tirado, se ha caído solo. (I didn't spill it, it fell down alone) To me this example illustrates very well that children command subtle linguistic distintions such as the one between tirar/caerse which can be really hard to explain to any adult. Ignacio Moreno-Torres Universidad de Málaga > Hi Bruno: > > Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that > I’ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it’ll be out in > Jan. 2014 ("Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the > first six years.") > (the link for information is > http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n > ) > > The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have > questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. > I wanted to just "post it" but I think that attempt failed. > > (66) G: What’s on your mind now? [N talking with his grandpa] > N: Which mind? (2;10.22) > G: What are you trying to get? > > (148) [N doesn’t want to tell a story] > > N: Porque estoy muy cansado para un cuento. Tengo la voz, la boca > cansada. (3;9) > ‘Because I’m very tired for a story. I have my voice, my mouth > tired.’ > > (151) N: Bibi, cómbete con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from comb, instead of > péinate] > ‘Bibi, comb-yourself with your brush.’ > > (160) B: La Navidad está ahora over. (2;10) [from ‘to be over’, terminar > in Spanish] > ‘Christmas is now over’ > > (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) > ‘Turn on the water, daddy.’ > > (187) C: Había una vez dos niños- > B: No, Bibi, no dos niños, un niño y una niña. (2;6.11) > > (178) Paraphrasis and metaphor. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, > 4;5) > > B: ¿Sabes, Bibi, ese camión verde? > ‘You know, Bibi, that green truck?’ > C: ¿De la basura? > ‘For trash?’ > B: El camión verde que lleva soldados. [that is, un tanque ‘a > tank’] > ‘The green truck that carries soldiers.’ > C: ¡Ah, el tanque! > ‘Ah! The tank! > B: Sí, el tanque. > ‘Yes, the tank.’ > B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese camión verde. [trompa ‘trunk’ for > ‘cannon’] > ‘They cut the trunk of that green truck.’ > C: La trompa; you mean ‘el cañón del tanque’? > ‘The trunk; you mean ‘the cannon of the tank’?’ > B: Sí; el cañón por donde tiran esa bola, ese cannon ball. > ‘Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon > ball.’ > > > > > __________________________________ > Carmen Silva-Corvalán > Professor, University of Southern California > Editor, Bilingualism: Language and Cognition > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/72e0a0e5198c51.52173562%40usc.edu. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/33e44a7f4bb2becc11207ad734a37d07.squirrel%40gw.uma.es. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. From doritr at post.tau.ac.il Mon Aug 26 16:53:40 2013 From: doritr at post.tau.ac.il (Dorit Ravid) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:53:40 +0300 Subject: Repeated conversations Message-ID: Hello all, Following below is a question from my colleague Dorit Aram (cc'ed here). Dorit Ravid Hello, I have a research that delves into the subject of parent-child repeated conversations with young children (around 5 years old). Specifically, the focus is on parent-child repeated conversations following shared book reading. The parents read a book to their child on three successive times within about two weeks and discuss the book with the child after each reading. I'm specifically looking for research on the nature of repeated conversations between parents and children of this age. Thank you very much!! Dorit Aram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/0a9101cea27c%24d18c7290%2474a557b0%24%40post.tau.ac.il. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although there are library searches possible, I think an easy way to start looking is with google scholar--just input something like "repeated reading mother child" and you get some very likely candidates, here's an example page https://www.google.com/#fp=470aa19e91d13271&q=repeated+reading+mother+child On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Dorit Ravid wrote: > Hello all,**** > > Following below is a question from my colleague Dorit Aram (cc'ed here). * > *** > > Dorit Ravid**** > > ** ** > > Hello,**** > > I have a research that delves into the subject of parent-child repeated > conversations with young children (around 5 years old). Specifically, the > focus is on parent-child repeated conversations following shared book > reading. The parents read a book to their child on three successive times > within about two weeks and discuss the book with the child after each > reading. **** > > I’m specifically looking for research on the *nature of repeated > conversations* between parents and children of this age.**** > > Thank you very much!!**** > > Dorit Aram**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/0a9101cea27c%24d18c7290%2474a557b0%24%40post.tau.ac.il > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Jean Berko Gleason Professor Emerita, Department of Psychology Boston University http://www.bu.edu/psych/faculty/gleason/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Later, we were going to my office in the elevator, which had a voice that announced the floors and said "going up" or going down". When she heard this, she said: "Oh, this elevator talks! Our elevator at home doesn't, it's a SHY elevator." Peter Gordon On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Lulu Song wrote: > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list): > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd wrote: > >> I like using YouTube clips for teaching. >> >> Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a >> chunk of words together): >> http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU >> >> And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Celeste Kidd >> Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester >> Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 >> www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ >> +1 617 515 2461 >> >> Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: >> >> My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then >> he made the motion for a violin. >> >> The anecdote is published here: >> >> Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and >> adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available >> online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** >> >> On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > 宋露露 Lulu Song, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education > School of Education > Brooklyn College, City University of New York > 2900 Bedford Ave. > Brooklyn, NY 11210 > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 > Fax: +1-718-951-4816 > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Peter Gordon, Associate Professor 1155 Thorndike Hall Teachers College, Columbia University, Box 180 525 W120th St. New York, NY 10027 Phone: 212 678-8162 Fax: 212 678-8233 E-mail: pgordon at tc.edu Web Page:http://www.tc.columbia.edu/faculty/index.htm?facid=pg328 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es bête' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les forêt feux empêchent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, Professor and Chairman Fellow, ASHA Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences 0100 Lefrak Hall University of Maryland, College Park College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213, 301-405-4217 Fax: 301-314-2023 http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan Affiliated faculty: Language Sciences, Developmental Science Field Committee Neuroscience and Cognitive Neuroscience Program (NACS) From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alcock, Katie Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:58 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers A bit late to this, but I grew up "bilingual" (American mother, British father) and "translated" my mother's speech into British English. I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es bête' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les forêt feux empêchent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, Professor and Chairman Fellow, ASHA Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences 0100 Lefrak Hall University of Maryland, College Park College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213, 301-405-4217 Fax: 301-314-2023 http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan Affiliated faculty: Language Sciences, Developmental Science Field Committee Neuroscience and Cognitive Neuroscience Program (NACS) From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alcock, Katie Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:58 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers A bit late to this, but I grew up "bilingual" (American mother, British father) and "translated" my mother's speech into British English. I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es bête' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les forêt feux empêchent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The Department invites applications for a tenure track Assistant Professor position in Developmental Psychology. Candidates must have a Ph.D. and have a record of publishable research in any area of developmental psychology, including cognitive, perceptual, and social development. The preferred candidate will have demonstrated strong leadership or a commitment to support diversity, equity, and inclusion in an academic setting. Salary: Salary is commensurate with qualifications and based on University of California pay scales. Closing Date: Review of applications will begin November 1, 2013 and will continue until the position is filled. 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Please feel free to get in touch if you would like more information and/or pass this on to other colleagues who may be interested. Thanks, Lisa ~~~ The Department of Cognitive Sciences (www.cogsci.uci.edu) at the University of California, Irvine (UCI) is seeking applicants for a tenure-track assistant professor faculty position. We seek candidates who combine a strong background in theoretical linguistics (including phonology, morphology, syntax, and semantics) with the empirical, developmental, or computational study of language (e.g., psycholinguistic, computational and mathematical modeling, or neurolinguistic approaches). The successful candidate will interact with a dynamic and growing community in cognitive, computational, neural, and developmental sciences within the Department, the Center for Language Science, and the Center for Cognitive Neuroscience. 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For more information, visit our website: http://www.cfr.nichd.nih.gov. *DUTIES:* Fellows are expected to contribute actively to a longitudinal research project, including oversight of data collection, data analysis, co-authoring publications, networking with collaborators, and collaborating in the dissemination of findings. *DESIRED QUALIFICATIONS:* Completed doctorate in developmental science, especially in adolescence and early adulthood, plus strong skills in methodology, measurement, longitudinal design, survey research, and statistical analysis. Competence in planning and multitasking, and excellent organizational and written and oral communication skills are required, as is the ability to work independently and in collaboration. Salary and benefits are competitive. Appointments are eligible for renewal up to 5 years. Interested applicants should submit a letter of interest and proposed goals for the fellowship, Curriculum Vitae, graduate transcripts, representative publications and papers, a summary of research experiences and objectives, and should arrange to have three letters of recommendation sent to: Dr. Marc H. Bornstein Child and Family Research *Eunice Kennedy Shriver* National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Rockledge I, Suite 8030 6705 Rockledge Drive, MSC 7971 Bethesda MD 20892-7971 USA EMAIL: Marc_H_Bornstein at nih.gov -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/4e4e8ea7-e6a4-40ca-951e-78ee6777b1d1%40googlegroups.com?hl=en-US. 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URL: From APapafragou at psych.udel.edu Fri Aug 9 15:58:11 2013 From: APapafragou at psych.udel.edu (Anna Papafragou) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:58:11 -0400 Subject: 2013 SLD Symposium and Student Award Message-ID: The Society for Language Development (SLD) invites you to this year's Symposium: "Mechanisms of word learning" Thursday, October 31, 2013, 1-6pm Boston University's George Sherman Union, 775 Commonwealth Ave. Invited speakers: Luca Bonatti, Universitat Pompeu Fabra Michael Frank, Stanford University John Trueswell, University of Pennsylvania A reception will follow the talks. To pre-register for the symposium, as well as the BU Conference on Language Development, go to http://www.bu.edu/bucld/conference-info/registration/ BUCLD home page: http://www.bu.edu/bucld/ The cost of registration for the symposium is $20 for members, $10 for student members; $50 for non-members, $25 for student non-members. SLD Student Award: The Society for Language Development invites applications for the SLD Student Award. This award is intended to help defray the costs of attending the Symposium, for graduate students who are presenting papers or posters at BUCLD. The award includes a year's free membership in the Society for Language Development, free admission to this year's SLD Symposium, and a cash award of $75. Applicants should send a CV and their accepted BUCLD abstract (paper, poster, or alternate status) by email to Cynthia Fisher at clfishe at illinois.edu; applications are due by Oct 1. Up to two graduate students whose CVs show a record of achievement and of sustained interest in interdisciplinary research will be selected. Award recipients will be notified by email before the conference (approximately Oct 15), and the awards will be announced at the SLD Symposium on Thursday Oct 31. 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URL: From vvvstudents at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 13:27:24 2013 From: vvvstudents at gmail.com (Virginia Valian) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:27:24 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An all-male line-up for the SLD symposium "Mechanisms of word learning"? Virginia Valian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJaqsVNxySQTPN0usOcoMUVdME_X2%3DobN%2BFQmcpD3RZx6A%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vvvstudents at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 14:12:49 2013 From: vvvstudents at gmail.com (Virginia Valian) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:12:49 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, My email about the all-male lineup is not intended to suggest that any of the speakers would not be a terrific addition. Rather, it is intended to suggest that we should be not just aiming for but achieving gender equity. Here are some relevant URLs. The first is a petition that Dan Sperber and I have sponsored: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/commitment-to-gender-equity-at-scholarly-conferences.html/ The second is a blog associated with the petition that explains what we mean by gender equity: http://forgenderequityatconferences.blogspot.fr/2012/09/q.html The third is a comment I wrote that appeared in *Nature*, *495*, 07 March 2013, and a copy of the text is here: http://forgenderequityatconferences.blogspot.com/2013/03/virginia-valians-comment-in-nature.html People may also be interested in the FAQ at the Gendered Conference Campaign: http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/gcc-faq/ Sincerely, Virginia Valian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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With only three speakers per group, sometimes we get a single-gender group (as was the case this year) but overall this does not skew the gender distribution: 2004: Heidi Feldman, Pat Kuhl, Laura-Ann Petitto (inaugural symposium) 2005: Marc Hauser, Timothy Gentner, Michael Tomasello 2006: Cynthia Fisher, Dedre Gentner, Adele Goldberg 2007: Janet Pierrehumbert, Josh Tenenbaum, Steve Pinker 2008: Susan Carey, Susan Gelman, Linda Smith 2009: Laura Schulz, Gergely Csibra, Renee Baillargeon 2010: Noam Chomsky, Randy Gallistel 2011: Rebecca Treiman, Charles Perfetti, Mark Seidenberg 2012: Rebecca Saxe, Alvaro Pascual-Leone, Ani Patel 2013: John Trueswell, Luca Bonatti, Michael Frank The Society recognizes the importance of balanced gender representation beyond the make-up of the Symposia. As many members of Info-Childes know, the past and present Editors of the SLD journal ('Language Learning and Development') have been women (Susan Goldin-Meadow; Cynthia Fisher), as is the SLD President (Lila Gleitman), several members of the editorial and advisory boards, and the current Chair of the SLD Symposium committee (myself). So we very much agree with the idea that we should not just be aiming for but achieving gender equity in our field - in fact, we believe that, in organizing our annual Symposia, we have come very close to doing just that. We will continue our efforts to invite outstanding scientists (both women and men) to participate in the Society's activities. We are looking forward to seeing everyone in the SLD Symposium in October! 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URL: From vvvstudents at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 11:16:08 2013 From: vvvstudents at gmail.com (Virginia Valian) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:16:08 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <20cf3063e21511818204e4240e81@google.com> Message-ID: Dear Anna, I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't expect 50-50, but many more men. Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they see in prestigious positions. As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we all use cognitive heuristics. Sincerely, VVV Virginia Valian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Sun Aug 18 19:37:38 2013 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:37:38 -0400 Subject: Abridged summary of info-childes@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic In-Reply-To: <3335_1376824570_5210ACFA_3335_5149_1_CAKkumJZ=tq+Azw8QiB++BQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Ana and Ginny-- There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of mine that the relevance of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and grasped. How often does one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language family X, Y, Z and in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous acquisition behavior for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more persuasive than very indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple confirmation of ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a large number of women in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not entirely without overt evidence--- but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language acquisition is for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself remarks like "morphology is for women", but not recently. Tom Roeper On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: > Dear Anna, > > I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will be > excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. > > I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good > to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this > year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a > primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not > be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. > That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but > many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't > expect 50-50, but many more men. > > Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose > voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. > People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they > see in prestigious positions. > > As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my > gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - > the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and > female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be > more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we > all use cognitive heuristics. > > Sincerely, > > VVV > > Virginia Valian > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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A comment related to Tom's Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition in London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the males' research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all the females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of course some people do both ... Cheers, Isabelle On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Dear Ana and Ginny-- > > There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of > mine that the relevance > of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and > grasped. How often does > one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language > family X, Y, Z and > in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous > acquisition behavior > for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more > persuasive than very > indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple > confirmation of > ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. > This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a > large number of women > in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not entirely > without overt evidence--- > but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language > acquisition is > for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself > remarks like "morphology > is for women", but not recently. > > Tom Roeper > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: > >> Dear Anna, >> >> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >> >> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good >> to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this >> year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a >> primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >> expect 50-50, but many more men. >> >> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women whose >> voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >> see in prestigious positions. >> >> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - >> the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and >> female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be >> more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we >> all use cognitive heuristics. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> VVV >> >> Virginia Valian >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Cheers, Rose Maier Rose Maier Doctoral Student Department of Psychology University of Oregon Office: Straub 493 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Isa Barriere wrote: > Dear Virginia, Ana and Ginny, > 1. Does anyone know here I can find demographic information (including > gender. ethnic etc break down) for a) undergraduate and graduate students > in Linguistics programs an b) faculty Linguistics in the US? > > 2. A comment related to Tom's > Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition in > London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the males' > research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all the > females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real > children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of > course some people do both ... > > Cheers, > Isabelle > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > >> Dear Ana and Ginny-- >> >> There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of >> mine that the relevance >> of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and >> grasped. How often does >> one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language >> family X, Y, Z and >> in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous >> acquisition behavior >> for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more >> persuasive than very >> indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple >> confirmation of >> ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. >> This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has a >> large number of women >> in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not >> entirely without overt evidence--- >> but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language >> acquisition is >> for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself >> remarks like "morphology >> is for women", but not recently. >> >> Tom Roeper >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: >> >>> Dear Anna, >>> >>> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >>> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >>> >>> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's good >>> to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than this >>> year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is a >>> primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >>> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >>> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >>> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >>> expect 50-50, but many more men. >>> >>> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women >>> whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >>> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >>> see in prestigious positions. >>> >>> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >>> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm - >>> the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male and >>> female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to be >>> more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and we >>> all use cognitive heuristics. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> VVV >>> >>> Virginia Valian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Roeper >> Dept of Lingiustics >> UMass South College >> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >> 413 256 0390 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2ZVTGKjR4oCGDGTC0S0j6G5_m9M9-3j%3DacQo6H%2B1Bd40A%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Linguistics BAs granted 2010: Female 1,124; Male 558 Linguistics grad enrollment, 2010: Female 1,888; Male 1,244 (includes full- and part-time) Linguistics PhDs granted 2001: Female 109; Male 84 Linguistics PhDs granted 2010: Female 115; Male 88 Best, VVV -- Virginia Valian Distinguished Professor Department of Psychology, Hunter College PhD Programs in Linguistics, Psychology, and Speech-Language-Hearing Sciences, CUNY Grad Center vvvstudents at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJbEejs9NUD1n8P344MpNPA-NgaP40PK%3DeSn1upWP5-BCQ%40mail.gmail.com. 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For example, if adult/theorizing work and acquisition work differ substantially in the amount of formalizing involved, it would not be surprising to find a gender difference. (I realize that there is much controversy about the 'why' of this, but the existence of such a difference is well-established.) In other fields, not characterized by that type of difference, the demography might be very different. And worth studying. Philip Dale Speech & Hearing Sciences University of New Mexico From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Virginia Valian Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:13 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Abridged summary of info-childes at googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic The NSF link Rose Maier provided is very helpful. I've summarized the information here. Linguistics BAs granted 2010: Female 1,124; Male 558 Linguistics grad enrollment, 2010: Female 1,888; Male 1,244 (includes full- and part-time) Linguistics PhDs granted 2001: Female 109; Male 84 Linguistics PhDs granted 2010: Female 115; Male 88 Best, VVV -- Virginia Valian Distinguished Professor Department of Psychology, Hunter College PhD Programs in Linguistics, Psychology, and Speech-Language-Hearing Sciences, CUNY Grad Center vvvstudents at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJbEejs9NUD1n8P344MpNPA-NgaP40PK%3DeSn1upWP5-BCQ%40mail.gmail.com. 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I did not think I could get the information this way since Linguistics is not a STEM field. Best, Isabelle On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, rose maier wrote: > Dear Isabelle, > The NSF tracks information about the participation of women, minorities, > and people with disabilities in STEM fields, and makes the most current > data publicly available here: > http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/2013/tables.cfm > These tables include information on women's enrollment in undergraduate > and graduate programs, as well as degrees awarded at various levels (BS/BA > through PhD) and attainment of career milestones. If you select the tables > organized by field and then by gender, you should be able to get the > information you're looking for about Linguistics. > Cheers, > Rose Maier > > Rose Maier > Doctoral Student > Department of Psychology > University of Oregon > Office: Straub 493 > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Isa Barriere wrote: > >> Dear Virginia, Ana and Ginny, >> 1. Does anyone know here I can find demographic information (including >> gender. ethnic etc break down) for a) undergraduate and graduate students >> in Linguistics programs an b) faculty Linguistics in the US? >> >> 2. A comment related to Tom's >> Back in late 90's when I joined a reading group on language acquisition >> in London, it was interesting to note the male female divide: all the >> males' research focused on computational models of lg acquisition while all >> the females were conducting studies that involved data collection on real >> children but I feel (maybe wrongly) that this trend may be changing and of >> course some people do both ... >> >> Cheers, >> Isabelle >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: >> >>> Dear Ana and Ginny-- >>> >>> There is another important dimension to all of this. It is a concern of >>> mine that the relevance >>> of language acquistion to linguistic theory be fully appeciated and >>> grasped. How often does >>> one read in a theoretical paper that a phenomenon is found in language >>> family X, Y, Z and >>> in child grammar? Extremely rarely, but in many respects spontaneous >>> acquisition behavior >>> for instance copying (can I can come) should be seen as much more >>> persuasive than very >>> indirect theoretical arguments for say, copying. Yet in general, simple >>> confirmation of >>> ideas through acquisition references is sorely lacking. >>> This is also a reflection of the fact that language acquisition has >>> a large number of women >>> in it I suspect, and gender bias is playing a role. This is not >>> entirely without overt evidence--- >>> but I remember a male colleague saying---many many years ago--"language >>> acquisition is >>> for women". By the way, I also heard, within linguistic theory itself >>> remarks like "morphology >>> is for women", but not recently. >>> >>> Tom Roeper >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Virginia Valian wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Anna, >>>> >>>> I'd like to start by reiterating that I think this year's speakers will >>>> be excellent! I look forward to hearing them on 31 October. >>>> >>>> I appreciate seeing the whole list of SLD symposium speakers. It's >>>> good to see that the history has a better proportion of women overall than >>>> this year alone would suggest. Note, though, that language acquisition is >>>> a primarily female field. If all other things are equal - and they may not >>>> be - we would expect to see primarily female speakers over the long haul. >>>> That is, in the case of language acquisition, we don't expect 50-50 but >>>> many more women, just as, in fields that are male-dominated, we don't >>>> expect 50-50, but many more men. >>>> >>>> Who receives public attention affects not only the particular women >>>> whose voices aren't heard, but all students and researchers in the field. >>>> People's aspirations, interests, and expectations are affected by who they >>>> see in prestigious positions. >>>> >>>> As the links I provided earlier spell out in more detail - and see my >>>> gender tutorial 4, www.hunter.cuny.edu/gendertutorial/slides/gt04.htm- the social-cognitive analysis that I provide shows why everyone - male >>>> and female alike, and that includes me - is likely to find men's names to >>>> be more cognitively available than women's. We all have gender schemas and >>>> we all use cognitive heuristics. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> VVV >>>> >>>> Virginia Valian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAKkumJZ%3Dtq%2BAzw8QiB%2B%2BBQgyztGW8pdJoAT0mXSoxWc_BkSmAg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Roeper >>> Dept of Lingiustics >>> UMass South College >>> Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA >>> 413 256 0390 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkOqgiHyxU1Epx7%3DaHNJ%3DdfqZAbLH-Qo5LnSvWi4157MA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2ZVTGKjR4oCGDGTC0S0j6G5_m9M9-3j%3DacQo6H%2B1Bd40A%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CACjLnjCu9J7nk%3DWzCFigdxpqXjgk1rru4t%2BtaS0SSUn37j6DcA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. 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Great idea Eileen Brann, PhD Assistant Professor Communication Disorders Governors State University University Park, Illinois On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The Still face paradigm video (also on YouTube) happens to be a good one that students generally enjoy watching; it has opened a lot of discussion and comments in class. Thanks, Siva priya Santhanam On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Bruno-- > > there's quite a few in my book The Prism of Grammar---but especially the > examples > of how children resist recursive possessives--- > > Tom Roeper > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSnJJwT2yvZG3Zq1bwqS7jujAHAm2rZn0Hav5CrxZBWxpA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Siva priya Shriram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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URL: From editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 03:08:55 2013 From: editor.iascl.clbulletin at gmail.com (IASCL Child Language Bulletin Editor) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:08:55 -0700 Subject: IASCL Child Language Bulletin: Aug 2013 issue Message-ID: Dear IASCL members, I am pleased to announce that the Aug 2013 issue of our IASCL Child Language Bulletin is now online at http://www.iascl.org/bulletins/bulletinV33N1.html This issue features (i) some preliminary information about the 13th International Congress for the Study of Child Language (IASCL 2014) by the conference organizers Anne Baker, Steven Gillis, Jan de Jong and Frank Wijnen (ii) a call for the nomination of IASCL Officers by chair of the IASCL Nominating Committee Virginia Mueller Gathercole (iii) a report on the 2nd Workshop on the Development of Prosody and Intonation by Sonia Frota (iv) a report on the IVth CLASTA Conference by Maria Chiara Levorato (v) a report on the Final Meeting of COST Action IS0804 ?Language Impairment in a Multilingual Society: Linguistic Patterns and the Road to Assessment? by Barbara Zurer Pearson (vi) a report on the New Developments in CHILDES by Brian MacWhinney (vii) a report on PhonBank and Phon Development by Yvan Rose, Gregory Hedlund and Brian MacWhinney (viii) an announcement about speechBITE which describes a free evidence based practice internet resource for speech language pathologists by Leanne Togher and her team (ix) an announcement about a new Journal on *Language Acquisition: Language, Interaction & Acquisition* by Maya Hickmann (x) an update from *Journal of Child Language* by Heike Behrens and Melissa Good (see ?Further Announcements?) 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They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. Philip Dale From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman From: Bruno Reply-To: Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a37 98942c5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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I?m are what I?m are: the acquisition of 1ps-present BE. Cognitive Linguistics, 18, 1 ? 22. Evan ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Caroline Bowen [cbowen at ihug.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 1:47 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Heard on a London bus, in piercingly clear RP. Little Sister (3) It's not fair, Mummy. My nose won't blow. Big brother (4) Why won't Fissy's nose blow, Mummy? My nose is a snot factory. Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman [cid:C23D91C0-958D-4284-A247-6CD5CFB5486A] From: Bruno > Reply-To: > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Caro ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Evan Kidd [evan.kidd at anu.edu.au] Sent: 21 August 2013 04:58 To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hi Bruno et al., Thea Cameron-Faulkner and I published a diary study on the presence of (and recovery from) errors in the use of 1PS-present form of BE. There are quite a few examples in the paper: Cameron-Faulkner, T., & Kidd, E. (2007). I?m are what I?m are: the acquisition of 1ps-present BE. Cognitive Linguistics, 18, 1 ? 22. Evan ________________________________ From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [info-childes at googlegroups.com] on behalf of Caroline Bowen [cbowen at ihug.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 1:47 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Heard on a London bus, in piercingly clear RP. Little Sister (3) It's not fair, Mummy. My nose won't blow. Big brother (4) Why won't Fissy's nose blow, Mummy? My nose is a snot factory. Best wishes, Caroline Caroline Bowen PhD CPSP ASHA Fellow, Life Member SPAA Speech Language Pathologist 9 Hillcrest Road Wentworth Falls NSW 2782 Australia http://www.speech-language-therapy.com Twitter @speech_woman [cid:C23D91C0-958D-4284-A247-6CD5CFB5486A] From: Bruno > Reply-To: > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 12:44 PM To: > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: CHI: how did you get that sneezes ? MOT: someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . CHI: mmmm I know who . MOT: mmmm . who ? CHI: that sneezy girl . MOT: oh that sneezy girl . CHI: um . she gives lots of sneezes to everyone . MOT: mmmm . CHI: I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx MOT: oh my gosh . CHI: the the the the the sneezes . MOT: mmmm . CHI: but I think the the coughy girl --I mean the cough girl would maybe give me my, my coughs . best, Aliyah Le 21 ao?t 2013 ? 05:18, Philip Dale a ?crit : > It?s hard to beat Melissa Bowerman?s classic examples of noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., ?I?m gonna fall this on you? and ?Don?t eat her, she?s smelly? (don?t feed her, she needs her diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. > Philip Dale > > From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM > To: info-childes at googlegroups.com > Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/6618A51715035E4B9E651AABE824D9773EFEFF48%40BLUPRD0711MB425.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Pearson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:15:31 +0000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801@gmail.com> Message-ID: I enjoyed hearing my son (age 4) explaining the principle of markedness to a friend (overhead from the backseat of the car): If you want to say something smells good, you have to say "good", but if you want to say it smells bad, you just have to say "it smells." Barbara On Aug 21, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Aliyah MORGENSTERN wrote: Tell us if you only want examples in English Bruno.... I also like Melissa's "dance me Daddy" in the same vein as the other causatives. There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: CHI: how did you get that sneezes ? MOT: someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . CHI: mmmm I know who . MOT: mmmm . who ? CHI: that sneezy girl . MOT: oh that sneezy girl . CHI: um . she gives lots of sneezes to everyone . MOT: mmmm . CHI: I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx MOT: oh my gosh . CHI: the the the the the sneezes . MOT: mmmm . CHI: but I think the the coughy girl --I mean the cough girl would maybe give me my, my coughs . best, Aliyah Le 21 ao?t 2013 ? 05:18, Philip Dale a ?crit : It?s hard to beat Melissa Bowerman?s classic examples of noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., ?I?m gonna fall this on you? and ?Don?t eat her, she?s smelly? (don?t feed her, she needs her diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. Philip Dale From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. 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From benjamin.boerschinger at googlemail.com Wed Aug 21 11:17:38 2013 From: benjamin.boerschinger at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Benjamin_B=C3=B6rschinger?=) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:17:38 +1000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aliyah Morgenstern wrote: > > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper > on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my > notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > That from when Lily is 3 years and 8 months old: http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Eng-NA/Providence/Lily/lil77.cha best, benjamin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFKJfCO_P0vU%3DVCFS7_pEz2%3DaVqMZQ9T7pQM6n8Y3%2BevDpRRww%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brunilda at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 13:18:02 2013 From: brunilda at gmail.com (Bruno Estigarribia) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:18:02 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Aliyah. Actually, Spanish would be fantastic. I promise to post a summary in a week or so to the list. Thank you all Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies https://sites.google.com/site/brunoestigarribialing/ http://roml.unc.edu/people/spanish/faculty/bruno-estigarribia/ University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > Tell us if you only want examples in English Bruno.... > I also like Melissa's "dance me Daddy" in the same vein as the other > causatives. > > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a > paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I > lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > > CHI:how did you get *that sneezes *? > > MOT:someone gave me the sneezes I don't know who though . > > CHI: mmmm I know who . > > MOT:mmmm . who ? > > CHI:that *sneezy girl *. > > MOT:oh that sneezy girl . > > CHI:um . she *gives lots of sneezes t*o everyone . > > MOT:mmmm . > > CHI:I think that sneezy girl gave me the xx > > MOT:oh my gosh . > > CHI:the the the the the sneezes . > > MOT:mmmm . > > CHI:but I think the *the coughy girl *--I mean *the cough girl* would > maybe *give me my, my coughs *. > > best, > Aliyah > > Le 21 ao?t 2013 ? 05:18, Philip Dale a ?crit : > >> It's hard to beat Melissa Bowerman's classic examples of >> noncausatives used as causatives, e.g., "I'm gonna fall this on you" >> and "Don't eat her, she's smelly" (don't feed her, she needs her >> diaper changed). They get right at the crucial phenomenon of >> children being wrong in one sense, but not quite wrong in another. >> Philip Dale >> *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com >> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]*On >> Behalf Of*Bruno >> *Sent:*Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:44 PM >> *To:*info-childes at googlegroups.com >> *Subject:*fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers >> >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my >> language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, >> McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for >> example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). >> Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids >> say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this >> way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email toinfo-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> To post to this group, send email toinfo-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web >> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email toinfo-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> . >> To post to this group, send email toinfo-childes at googlegroups.com >> . >> To view this discussion on the web >> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/6618A51715035E4B9E651AABE824D9773EFEFF48%40BLUPRD0711MB425.namprd07.prod.outlook.com. >> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/4951B2FE-EAE0-467C-8CFB-FDD02D937801%40gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Best, Roberta On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and Cognitive Science University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the Evidence" (Oxford) http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ Please check out our doctoral program at http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com. 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Le 21 ao?t 2013 ? 13:17, Benjamin B?rschinger a ?crit : > > Aliyah Morgenstern wrote: > There's this nice example in the Providence data that I'm using in a paper on verbal constructions, Lily, but can't find the exact age, I lost my notes, will tell you as soon as I get back to the data: > > That from when Lily is 3 years and 8 months old: http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Eng-NA/Providence/Lily/lil77.cha > > best, > > benjamin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFKJfCO_P0vU%3DVCFS7_pEz2%3DaVqMZQ9T7pQM6n8Y3%2BevDpRRww%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Elena On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? > > My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That > a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... > > Best, Roberta > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. > Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor > School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and > Cognitive Science > University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 > Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 > Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ > Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the > Evidence" (Oxford) > http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ > Please check out our doctoral program at > http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html > The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Elena Nicoladis "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only sure criterion is to have fun." Edward Tolman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walesgin at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 15:35:42 2013 From: walesgin at gmail.com (walesgin) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:35:42 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can also find many examples in my chapter in the Bowerman festschrift volume. Here are just a few randomly selected examples, from my daughter and grandchildren: Rachel: R: Who?s the marveloust cat in the world? M:What? [not knowing if there?s a /t/ at end] [R repeats above 2 times]. M: What? R:Who?s the best ( marveloust) cat in the world? [M asks R to say it slowly]. [R says slowly 3 times, last time: ] R: Who is the mar?ve?lous?t cat in the world? 5;5.17 Sadie: [Sadie on toilet:] I think I?m gonna use up a gallon of that toilet paper! 4;2.2 Saul: (36) Saul 4;11.12 S: You have 10 fingers and I have 10. M: So who has more? S: You. M: I have more? S: Yes, because yours are bigger. I mean just look at them! Sadie: V: [on phone to S, near Christmas time] Did you put up a Christmas tree? S: No. We put a tree in the house. 3;5.26 Sadie: S: I so wish we could get that thing out of my butt! M: The poop? S: Yeah! 3;1.21 Sadie: How old I am is S-A-D-I-E. My name is S-A-D-I-E. 3;2.14 Sadie: [V sent Sadie package full of hair clips at Halloween time. Sadie mentioning how much fun it was to open up the package:] It was so much fun. It was 20 fun! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. It takes a long time to get to 20. 3;4.8 Is everybody as tired as I am? I?m 150 tired?I?m 199 tired. 3;9.22 You?re very lucky. You?re 20 hundred and 750 lucky. 3;9.24 [V and Sadie discussing how Sadie was ?lost? at a park one time:] V: But Sadie wasn?t worried. Not one teensy bit. S: Not even 2. Not even 3. Not even 4. Not even 5?bit. 3;9.24 For more examples and explanations, see: Gathercole, Virginia C. Mueller. 2010. "It was so much fun. It was *20*fun!" Cognitive and linguistic invitations to the development of scalar predicates. In V. C. M. Gathercole (Editor), *Routes to language: Studies in honor of Melissa Bowerman*. N.Y.: Psychology Press, Taylor & Francis. 319-443. V. C. Mueller Gathercole Professor of Linguistics Florida International University http://vcmuellergathercole.weebly.com/index.html "Always credit the PHOTOGRAPHER." On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), > "I have a spicy bum!" > > Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an > itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). > > Elena > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > >> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >> >> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That >> a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >> >> Best, Roberta >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >> Cognitive Science >> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >> Evidence" (Oxford) >> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >> Please check out our doctoral program at >> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Elena Nicoladis > > "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in > such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any > individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to > follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In > fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only > sure criterion is to have fun." > Edward Tolman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAOr3bM6Lk7VJBRfJ7HejR%2B81Cp8EQgf-PGg00wZ2dsaQYj%2Bg%3DA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csilva at usc.edu Wed Aug 21 17:57:13 2013 From: csilva at usc.edu (Silva-corvalan, Carmen: USC) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:57:13 -0700 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Bruno: Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that I?ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it?ll be out in Jan. 2014 (the link for information is http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n) From: *Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the first six years*. The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. (66) G: What?s on your mind now? N: Which mind? (2;10.22) G: What are you trying to get? (148) [N doesn?t want to tell a story] N: Porque estoy muy *cansado*-masc para un cuento. Tengo la voz, *la*-fem* boca*-fem* cansada*-fem. (3;9) ?Because I?m very *tired* for a story. I have my voice, my *mouth tired *.? (151) N: Bibi, *c?mbete* con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from *comb*, instead of *p?inate*] ?Bibi, *comb-yourself* with your brush.? (160) B: La Navidad est? ahora *over*. (2;10) [from ?to be over?, * terminar* in Spanish] ?Christmas is now *over*? (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) ?Turn on the water, daddy.? (187) C: Hab?a una vez dos ni?os- B: No, Bibi, no dos ni?os, un ni?o y una ni?a. (2;6.11) (178) *Paraphrasis and metaphor*. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, 4;5) B: ?Sabes, Bibi, ese cami?n verde? ?You know, Bibi, that green truck?? C: ?De la basura? ?For trash?? B: El cami?n verde que lleva soldados. [that is, *un tanque* ?a tank?] ?The green truck that carries soldiers.? C: ?Ah, el tanque! ?Ah! The tank! B: S?, el tanque. ?Yes, the tank.? B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese cami?n verde. [* trompa* ?trunk? for ?cannon?] ?They cut the trunk of that green truck.? C: La trompa; *you mean* ?el ca??n del tanque?? ?The trunk; you mean ?the cannon of the tank??? B: S?; el ca??n por donde tiran esa bola, ese *cannon ball*. ?Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon ball.? On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:44:00 PM UTC-7, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/4dd68069-5831-41a0-b5f8-f4812b16282c%40googlegroups.com. 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Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to play with all of the toys in the waiting room." I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of development, individual differences in development, differences between production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition exclusively on production data, and so forth. Best, Jim James Morgan Professor Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: > Hi Bruno, > > In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my > daughter: > > When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of > four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss > 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we > were beginning to worry about possible language delay. > > Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's > office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not > her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You > know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to > play with all of the toys in the waiting room." > > I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into > discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of > development, individual differences in development, differences between > production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition > exclusively on production data, and so forth. > > Best, > Jim > > James Morgan > Professor > Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABmr1p9Px%2BbOyM9xrG4%3DuiVYJZNysH31rDt5DKpQy%2B1AqQxtvw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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After a few minutes, 1 child > exclaimed, "Oh my god, they named a car after that!" > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: > > Hi Bruno, > > In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my > daughter: > > When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of > four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss > 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we > were beginning to worry about possible language delay. > > Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's > office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not > her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You > know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to > play with all of the toys in the waiting room." > > I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into > discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of > development, individual differences in development, differences between > production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition > exclusively on production data, and so forth. > > Best, > Jim > > James Morgan > Professor > Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABmr1p9Px%2BbOyM9xrG4%3DuiVYJZNysH31rDt5DKpQy%2B1AqQxtvw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CACZjGG8LeH4jvFxw-MLFck5Z2inLrBrMycdQKGFPpXUguH576w%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Susan A. 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URL: From fraibetaveledo at yahoo.com.ar Wed Aug 21 19:03:12 2013 From: fraibetaveledo at yahoo.com.ar (fraibet) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:33:12 -0430 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My Spanish student , 7;00 , who was bilingual in French and English and was learning Spanish said once: Esa voitura roja pas? cerca , meaning " that red car passed close (to us)" She didn't remember the word in Spanish for car", "coche" , so she used the french word, voiture, which is feminine, and perfectly use the feminine adjectives for agreement in Spanish. I hope it helps Fraibet Aveledo ESRC Centre for Bilingualism, Bangor University, UK Newcastle University , UK Sim?n Bol?var University, Venezuela On 21/08/2013, at 11:05, walesgin wrote: > You can also find many examples in my chapter in the Bowerman festschrift volume. Here are just a few randomly selected examples, from my daughter and grandchildren: > > Rachel: > > R: Who?s the marveloust cat in the world? > > M:What? [not knowing if there?s a /t/ at end] > > [R repeats above 2 times]. > > M: What? > > R:Who?s the best ( marveloust) cat in the world? > > [M asks R to say it slowly]. > > [R says slowly 3 times, last time: ] > > R: Who is the mar?ve?lous?t cat in the world? 5;5.17 > > > > > > Sadie: > > [Sadie on toilet:] I think I?m gonna use up a gallon of that toilet paper! 4;2.2 > > > > > > Saul: > > (36) Saul 4;11.12 > > S: You have 10 fingers and I have 10. > > M: So who has more? > > S: You. > > M: I have more? > > S: Yes, because yours are bigger. I mean just look at them! > > > > > > Sadie: > > V: [on phone to S, near Christmas time] Did you put up a Christmas tree? > > S: No. We put a tree in the house. > > 3;5.26 > > > > > > Sadie: > > S: I so wish we could get that thing out of my butt! > > M: The poop? > > S: Yeah! > > 3;1.21 > > > > > > Sadie: > > How old I am is S-A-D-I-E. My name is S-A-D-I-E. 3;2.14 > > > > > > Sadie: > > [V sent Sadie package full of hair clips at Halloween time. Sadie mentioning how much fun it was to open up the package:] > > It was so much fun. It was 20 fun! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. It takes a long time to get to 20. 3;4.8 > > > > Is everybody as tired as I am? I?m 150 tired?I?m 199 tired. 3;9.22 > > > > You?re very lucky. You?re 20 hundred and 750 lucky. 3;9.24 > > > > > > [V and Sadie discussing how Sadie was ?lost? at a park one time:] > > V: But Sadie wasn?t worried. Not one teensy bit. > > S: Not even 2. Not even 3. Not even 4. Not even 5?bit. 3;9.24 > > > > For more examples and explanations, see: > > Gathercole, Virginia C. Mueller. 2010. "It was so much fun. It was 20 fun!" Cognitive and linguistic invitations to the development of scalar predicates. In V. C. M. Gathercole (Editor), Routes to language: Studies in honor of Melissa Bowerman. N.Y.: Psychology Press, Taylor & Francis. 319-443. > > > > V. C. Mueller Gathercole > Professor of Linguistics > Florida International University > > http://vcmuellergathercole.weebly.com/index.html > > > "Always credit the PHOTOGRAPHER." > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: >> My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), "I have a spicy bum!" >> >> Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). >> >> Elena >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: >>> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >>> >>> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >>> >>> Best, Roberta >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>>> Thanks all. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> Bruno Estigarribia >>>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures >>>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >>> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >>> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and Cognitive Science >>> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >>> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >>> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >>> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the Evidence" (Oxford) >>> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >>> Please check out our doctoral program at http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >>> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> Elena Nicoladis >> >> "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only sure criterion is to have fun." >> Edward Tolman >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAOr3bM6Lk7VJBRfJ7HejR%2B81Cp8EQgf-PGg00wZ2dsaQYj%2Bg%3DA%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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(also noir is 'black' in French) Eithan: Je n'ais pas vue "l'entonne noir" mais "j'ais vue l'entonne orange" (I didn't find the "l'entonne noir (=black)" but I saw "l'entonne orange" (The color of their funnel is orange) Best Limor Dr. Limor Adi-Bensaid (PhD) Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders Faculty of Health Profession Ono Academic College Israel From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan Gelman Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:51 PM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers Molly, which car? Audi?? On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Molly Millians wrote: I taught first grade many years ago. A group of 6 and 7 year old's were looking at a kid's book of the human body. After a few minutes, 1 child exclaimed, "Oh my god, they named a car after that!" On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Morgan, James wrote: Hi Bruno, In addition to other things, I like to tell the following story about my daughter: When my daughter was 19 months old, her productive vocabulary consisted of four words: "mama", "dada", "yaya" (gloss 'doll'), and "wawa" (gloss 'dog'). She was far below age norms (and parental expectations!), and we were beginning to worry about possible language delay. Fast forward four short months: on the way out of the pediatrician's office following her 2-year-old check-up, she turned to me and said (not her first sentence by any means, but a particularly memorable one), "You know, Dad, what I like about going to the doctor's office is getting to play with all of the toys in the waiting room." I use this anecdote showing developmental change as a springboard into discussion of any number of topics: rapidity and uneven tempo of development, individual differences in development, differences between production and comprehension, dangers in basing accounts of acquisition exclusively on production data, and so forth. Best, Jim James Morgan Professor Cognitive, Linguistic & Psychological Sciences On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. 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URL: From dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 19:19:32 2013 From: dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com (Denis Donovan) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:19:32 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es b?te' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les for?t feux emp?chent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From roeper at linguist.umass.edu Thu Aug 22 01:59:31 2013 From: roeper at linguist.umass.edu (Tom Roeper) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:59:31 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <7134_1377092966_5214C566_7134_1360_1_CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz=CHGEZ7tU+CVPsbUw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's a few from my book Prism of Grammar (and from my children): at 3yrs my son said, when he had a stomach ache: "there's a fire-engine in my stomach" my daughter said one day: "My mind is very angry, and so am I" when I asked my son why he is good at chess he said: "because I use my brain, instead of thinking" or his first use of recursion: "I am not as tall as you as Mom" These allow us to think a little bit,don't they--- Tom Roeper On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), > "I have a spicy bum!" > > Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an > itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). > > Elena > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: > >> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >> >> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, "That >> a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >> >> Best, Roberta >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >> Cognitive Science >> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >> Evidence" (Oxford) >> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >> Please check out our doctoral program at >> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Elena Nicoladis > > "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in > such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any > individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to > follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In > fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only > sure criterion is to have fun." > Edward Tolman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Tom Roeper Dept of Lingiustics UMass South College Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA 413 256 0390 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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When I asked him where he heard the word 'childs', he said 'sometimes you say this is another child's bag'. Leher On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tom Roeper wrote: > Here's a few from my book Prism of Grammar (and from my children): > > at 3yrs my son said, when he had a stomach ache: > "there's a fire-engine in my stomach" > > my daughter said one day: > "My mind is very angry, and so am I" > when I asked my son why he is good at chess he said: > "because I use my brain, instead of thinking" > or his first use of recursion: > "I am not as tall as you as Mom" > > These allow us to think a little bit,don't they--- > > Tom Roeper > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Elena Nicoladis wrote: > >> My 3.5 French-English bilingual daughter announced one day (in English), >> "I have a spicy bum!" >> >> Took us hours to figure out that she meant that she meant that she had an >> itchy bum (spicy = piquant (Fr); piquer (Fr) = to itch). >> >> Elena >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Roberta Golinkoff wrote: >> >>> Great idea! Will you please share when you collect these? >>> >>> My grandchild looked down his mom's shirt at her cleavage and said, >>> "That a butt?" He had a gap that needed filling... >>> >>> Best, Roberta >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Bruno wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this >>>> way or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>>> Thanks all. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> Bruno Estigarribia >>>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>>> Literatures >>>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/42646b01-77be-4296-b219-44a3798942c5%40googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roberta Michnick Golinkoff, Ph. D. >>> Unidel H. Rodney Sharp Professor >>> School of Education and Departments of Psychology and Linguistics and >>> Cognitive Science >>> University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 >>> Office: 302-831-1634; Fax: 302-831-4110 >>> Web page: http://udel.edu/~roberta/ >>> Author of "A Mandate for Playful Learning in Preschool: Presenting the >>> Evidence" (Oxford) >>> http://www.mandateforplayfullearning.com/ >>> Please check out our doctoral program at >>> http://www.udel.edu/education/graduate/index.html >>> The late Mary Dunn said, "Life is the time we have to learn." >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFWLa7KDaGNH%3DdbD%2BqJ9md7a9vL6VAkTvfvgZNpNZgGc7bWxFA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Elena Nicoladis >> >> "Since all the sciences, and especially psychology, are still immersed in >> such tremendous realms of the uncertain and the unknown, the best that any >> individual scientist, especially any psychologist, can do seems to be to >> follow his own gleam and his own bent, however inadequate they may be. In >> fact, I suppose that actually this is what we all do. In the end, the only >> sure criterion is to have fun." >> Edward Tolman >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAJhQeTsbxUbKRT58WWfzfz2eg_eeYN_Cz%3DCHGEZ7tU%2BCVPsbUw%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Tom Roeper > Dept of Lingiustics > UMass South College > Amherst, Mass. 01003 ISA > 413 256 0390 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CABkofSkKX_oP_s8XZybC%3Dz78QW_TMA%3DtH7fgqLenpyK7Dw8Hiw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. 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Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lulusong at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 14:34:58 2013 From: lulusong at gmail.com (Lulu Song) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:34:58 -0400 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd wrote: > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together): > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE > > > > > -- > Celeste Kidd > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ > +1 617 515 2461 > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >> Thanks all. >> >> Bruno >> Bruno Estigarribia >> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >> Literatures >> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education School of Education Brooklyn College, City University of New York 2900 Bedford Ave. Brooklyn, NY 11210 Office: James Hall, Room 2307B Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 Fax: +1-718-951-4816 Web: http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA Professor and Chairman Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) Faculty, Language IGERT University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213 nratner at umd.edu http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote: I like using YouTube clips for teaching. Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. The anecdote is published here: Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From jms2cor4 at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:34:08 2013 From: jms2cor4 at gmail.com (Jamie Mahurin Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:34:08 -0500 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D@OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU> Message-ID: This example reminded me of something my son said when he was still figuring out sequencing for both sounds and words. Late one night he woke me up, telling me to take him into the kitchen for a snack. Instead of "Kitchen. I eat," he said, "Chicken. Eat. Me." :-D Jamie Jamie On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner wrote: > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years ? she was a bit > precocious:**** > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing ?do you want me to pick you up?? often, > so that it became a single verb**** > > I do it Jamieself**** > > ** ** > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the > chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status > of the ?en.**** > > ** ** > > N**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA**** > > Professor and Chairman**** > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences**** > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS)**** > > Faculty, Language IGERT**** > > University of Maryland**** > > 0100 Lefrak Hall**** > > College Park, MD 20742**** > > 301-405-4213**** > > nratner at umd.edu**** > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers**** > > ** ** > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list):**** > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!"**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote:**** > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. **** > > ** ** > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together):**** > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU**** > > ** ** > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics:**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > Celeste Kidd**** > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester**** > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268**** > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/**** > > +1 617 515 2461**** > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > **** > > ** ** > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote:**** > > > > **** > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin.**** > > ** ** > > The anecdote is published here: **** > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote:**** > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.**** > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > .**** > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D.**** > > Assistant Professor**** > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education**** > > School of Education**** > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York**** > > 2900 Bedford Ave.**** > > Brooklyn, NY 11210**** > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B**** > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu**** > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784**** > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816**** > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > **** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Sometimes the adults would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's really requesting rather than offering. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner wrote: > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years ? she was a bit > precocious:**** > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing ?do you want me to pick you up?? often, > so that it became a single verb**** > > I do it Jamieself**** > > ** ** > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the > chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status > of the ?en.**** > > ** ** > > N**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA**** > > Professor and Chairman**** > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences**** > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS)**** > > Faculty, Language IGERT**** > > University of Maryland**** > > 0100 Lefrak Hall**** > > College Park, MD 20742**** > > 301-405-4213**** > > nratner at umd.edu**** > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto: > info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers**** > > ** ** > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list):**** > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!"**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote:**** > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. **** > > ** ** > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a > chunk of words together):**** > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU**** > > ** ** > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics:**** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > Celeste Kidd**** > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester**** > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268**** > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/**** > > +1 617 515 2461**** > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > **** > > ** ** > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote:**** > > > > **** > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then > he made the motion for a violin.**** > > ** ** > > The anecdote is published here: **** > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and > adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available > online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote:**** > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language > acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and > Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika > Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become > really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way > or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and > Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.**** > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu > .**** > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D.**** > > Assistant Professor**** > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education**** > > School of Education**** > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York**** > > 2900 Bedford Ave.**** > > Brooklyn, NY 11210**** > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B**** > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu**** > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784**** > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816**** > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > **** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.**** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education School of Education Brooklyn College, City University of New York 2900 Bedford Ave. Brooklyn, NY 11210 Office: James Hall, Room 2307B Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 Fax: +1-718-951-4816 Web: http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9MJYRyfKf%3DTdVUbPkePY0eB0m3SFghnUpAN2G9SO9scjXQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kdemuth07 at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 16:51:51 2013 From: kdemuth07 at gmail.com (Katherine Demuth) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:51:51 +0200 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interesting. We've recently reported on two children who exhibit pronoun reversal for most of their English 1st and 2nd person pronouns for about 1 year, raising questions about the extent to which this occurs in other languages. KD Evans, K. & Demuth, K. 2012. Individual differences in pronoun reversal: Evidence from two longitudinal case studies. /Journal of Child Language/, 39, 162-191. On 23/08/13 6:37 PM, Lulu Song wrote: > My daughter, now 2;3, persistently uses "you" "your" and "yours" > instead of "I" "me" "my" or "mine" (in Mandarin). Sometimes the adults > would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, > "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's > really requesting rather than offering. > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner > > wrote: > > My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years -- she was a > bit precocious: > > Pick you up me (presumably hearing "do you want me to pick you > up?" often, so that it became a single verb > > I do it Jamieself > > Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked > for the chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the > morphological status of the --en. > > N > > Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA > > Professor and Chairman > > Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences > > Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) > > Faculty, Language IGERT > > University of Maryland > > 0100 Lefrak Hall > > College Park, MD 20742 > > 301-405-4213 > > nratner at umd.edu > > http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan > > *From:*info-childes at googlegroups.com > > [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Lulu Song > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM > > > *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers > > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously > shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I > might have learned about it from our list): > > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > > wrote: > > I like using YouTube clips for teaching. > > Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the > meaning of a chunk of words together): > > http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU > > And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE > > -- > Celeste Kidd > > Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester > > Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 > > www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ > > > +1 617 515 2461 > > Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: > > > > My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like > this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. > > The anecdote is published here: > > Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child > and adult-directed language. /Journal of Child Language/, 1-19. > Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: > > Hello all, > > I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my > language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis > phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun > errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with > attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in > figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. > I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used > this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. > Thanks all. > > Bruno > Bruno Estigarribia > Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages > and Literatures > Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program > Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > ?? ? Lulu Song, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education > > School of Education > > Brooklyn College, City University of New York > > 2900 Bedford Ave. > > Brooklyn, NY 11210 > > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B > > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu > > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 > > Fax: +1-718-951-4816 > > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9M%2BWQ98DKi5WPXEparmfT5mwbgv4UjgG1rt6qqik%2BqEj1A%40mail.gmail.com. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/78F7051232E584458D81A07B6C78AF7D1F293D%40OITMX1008.AD.UMD.EDU. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > ??? Lulu Song, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of Early Childhood Education and Art Education > School of Education > Brooklyn College, City University of New York > 2900 Bedford Ave. > Brooklyn, NY 11210 > Office: James Hall, Room 2307B > Email: lsong at brooklyn.cuny.edu > Phone: +1-718-951-5000 ext. 3784 > Fax: +1-718-951-4816 > Web: > http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/web/academics/faculty/faculty_profile.jsp?faculty=1115 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CAFUP9MJYRyfKf%3DTdVUbPkePY0eB0m3SFghnUpAN2G9SO9scjXQ%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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At age 5; 3 during a Thanksgiving dinner someone was asked if they?d like some more pumpkin pie and responded ?no thanks, I am all pumpkined out?, my son replied ?well, I?m all pumpkined in?. Sean From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:38 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My daughter, now 2;3, persistently uses "you" "your" and "yours" instead of "I" "me" "my" or "mine" (in Mandarin). Sometimes the adults would mistakenly think that she's being very generous when she says, "Give you a peach" or "You eat this" or "This is for you" when she's really requesting rather than offering. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner > wrote: My daughter produced a few nuggets between 1-2 years ? she was a bit precocious: Pick you up me (presumably hearing ?do you want me to pick you up?? often, so that it became a single verb I do it Jamieself Just shy of 3, she produced a great slip: the cooken is chicked for the chicken is cooked, which did make me wonder about the morphological status of the ?en. N Nan Bernstein Ratner, CCC, F-ASHA Professor and Chairman Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences Faculty, Neuroscience and Cognitive Science (NACS) Faculty, Language IGERT University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213 nratner at umd.edu http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lulu Song Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:35 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about it from our list): "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd > wrote: I like using YouTube clips for teaching. Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a chunk of words together): http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE -- Celeste Kidd Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ +1 617 515 2461 Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then he made the motion for a violin. The anecdote is published here: Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and adult-directed language. Journal of Child Language, 1-19. Available online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: Hello all, I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way or if people have some favorite ones they use. Thanks all. Bruno Bruno Estigarribia Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and Literatures Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. 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URL: From csilva at usc.edu Fri Aug 23 17:11:46 2013 From: csilva at usc.edu (Carmen Silva-Corvalan) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:11:46 -0700 Subject: Some Spanish and English examples from developing bilinguals Message-ID: Hi Bruno: Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that I?ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it?ll be out in Jan. 2014 ("Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the first six years.") (the link for information is http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n ) The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. I wanted to just "post it" but I think that attempt failed. (66) G: What?s on your mind now? [N talking with his grandpa] N: Which mind? (2;10.22) G: What are you trying to get? (148) [N doesn?t want to tell a story] N: Porque estoy muy cansado para un cuento. Tengo la voz, la boca cansada. (3;9) ?Because I?m very tired for a story. I have my voice, my mouth tired.? (151) N: Bibi, c?mbete con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from comb, instead of p?inate] ?Bibi, comb-yourself with your brush.? (160) B: La Navidad est? ahora over. (2;10) [from ?to be over?, terminar in Spanish] ?Christmas is now over? (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) ?Turn on the water, daddy.? (187) C: Hab?a una vez dos ni?os- B: No, Bibi, no dos ni?os, un ni?o y una ni?a. (2;6.11) (178) Paraphrasis and metaphor. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, 4;5) B: ?Sabes, Bibi, ese cami?n verde? ?You know, Bibi, that green truck?? C: ?De la basura? ?For trash?? B: El cami?n verde que lleva soldados. [that is, un tanque ?a tank?] ?The green truck that carries soldiers.? C: ?Ah, el tanque! ?Ah! The tank! B: S?, el tanque. ?Yes, the tank.? B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese cami?n verde. [trompa ?trunk? for ?cannon?] ?They cut the trunk of that green truck.? C: La trompa; you mean ?el ca??n del tanque?? ?The trunk; you mean ?the cannon of the tank??? B: S?; el ca??n por donde tiran esa bola, ese cannon ball. ?Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon ball.? __________________________________ Carmen Silva-Corval?n Professor, University of Southern California Editor, Bilingualism: Language and Cognition -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/72e0a0e5198c51.52173562%40usc.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. From imoreno at uma.es Fri Aug 23 17:37:03 2013 From: imoreno at uma.es (Ignacio Moreno Torres Sanchez) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:37:03 +0200 Subject: Some Spanish and English examples from developing bilinguals In-Reply-To: <72e0a0e5198c51.52173562@usc.edu> Message-ID: Here you have one Spanish example from my 5 years old daugther. On one ocassion she spilled someone's coffee. So I said to her: Cuidado Blanca, has tirado el caf?. (Be careful, Blanca, you spilled the coffe) Her reply was: No lo he tirado, se ha ca?do solo. (I didn't spill it, it fell down alone) To me this example illustrates very well that children command subtle linguistic distintions such as the one between tirar/caerse which can be really hard to explain to any adult. Ignacio Moreno-Torres Universidad de M?laga > Hi Bruno: > > Here are some exx., Spanish and English, from developing bilinguals, that > I?ve excerpted from my book (in press; Cambridge tells me it?ll be out in > Jan. 2014 ("Bilingual Language Acquisition: Spanish and English in the > first six years.") > (the link for information is > http://www.cambridge.org/us/search?iFeelLucky=false¤tTheme=Academic_v1&query=Carmen+Silva-Corval%C3%A1n > ) > > The examples illustrate different phenomena. Do email me if you have > questions. Apologies for the layout. This is my first message to the list. > I wanted to just "post it" but I think that attempt failed. > > (66) G: What?s on your mind now? [N talking with his grandpa] > N: Which mind? (2;10.22) > G: What are you trying to get? > > (148) [N doesn?t want to tell a story] > > N: Porque estoy muy cansado para un cuento. Tengo la voz, la boca > cansada. (3;9) > ?Because I?m very tired for a story. I have my voice, my mouth > tired.? > > (151) N: Bibi, c?mbete con tu cepillo. (2;7.25) [from comb, instead of > p?inate] > ?Bibi, comb-yourself with your brush.? > > (160) B: La Navidad est? ahora over. (2;10) [from ?to be over?, terminar > in Spanish] > ?Christmas is now over? > > (172) N: Prende el agua, papi. (1;10.22) > ?Turn on the water, daddy.? > > (187) C: Hab?a una vez dos ni?os- > B: No, Bibi, no dos ni?os, un ni?o y una ni?a. (2;6.11) > > (178) Paraphrasis and metaphor. Bren and I are playing with legos. (B, > 4;5) > > B: ?Sabes, Bibi, ese cami?n verde? > ?You know, Bibi, that green truck?? > C: ?De la basura? > ?For trash?? > B: El cami?n verde que lleva soldados. [that is, un tanque ?a > tank?] > ?The green truck that carries soldiers.? > C: ?Ah, el tanque! > ?Ah! The tank! > B: S?, el tanque. > ?Yes, the tank.? > B: Le cortaron la trompa a ese cami?n verde. [trompa ?trunk? for > ?cannon?] > ?They cut the trunk of that green truck.? > C: La trompa; you mean ?el ca??n del tanque?? > ?The trunk; you mean ?the cannon of the tank??? > B: S?; el ca??n por donde tiran esa bola, ese cannon ball. > ?Yes; the cannon from where they throw that ball, that cannon > ball.? > > > > > __________________________________ > Carmen Silva-Corval?n > Professor, University of Southern California > Editor, Bilingualism: Language and Cognition > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/72e0a0e5198c51.52173562%40usc.edu. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/33e44a7f4bb2becc11207ad734a37d07.squirrel%40gw.uma.es. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. From doritr at post.tau.ac.il Mon Aug 26 16:53:40 2013 From: doritr at post.tau.ac.il (Dorit Ravid) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:53:40 +0300 Subject: Repeated conversations Message-ID: Hello all, Following below is a question from my colleague Dorit Aram (cc'ed here). Dorit Ravid Hello, I have a research that delves into the subject of parent-child repeated conversations with young children (around 5 years old). Specifically, the focus is on parent-child repeated conversations following shared book reading. The parents read a book to their child on three successive times within about two weeks and discuss the book with the child after each reading. I'm specifically looking for research on the nature of repeated conversations between parents and children of this age. Thank you very much!! Dorit Aram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/0a9101cea27c%24d18c7290%2474a557b0%24%40post.tau.ac.il. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although there are library searches possible, I think an easy way to start looking is with google scholar--just input something like "repeated reading mother child" and you get some very likely candidates, here's an example page https://www.google.com/#fp=470aa19e91d13271&q=repeated+reading+mother+child On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Dorit Ravid wrote: > Hello all,**** > > Following below is a question from my colleague Dorit Aram (cc'ed here). * > *** > > Dorit Ravid**** > > ** ** > > Hello,**** > > I have a research that delves into the subject of parent-child repeated > conversations with young children (around 5 years old). Specifically, the > focus is on parent-child repeated conversations following shared book > reading. The parents read a book to their child on three successive times > within about two weeks and discuss the book with the child after each > reading. **** > > I?m specifically looking for research on the *nature of repeated > conversations* between parents and children of this age.**** > > Thank you very much!!**** > > Dorit Aram**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Info-CHILDES" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/0a9101cea27c%24d18c7290%2474a557b0%24%40post.tau.ac.il > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Jean Berko Gleason Professor Emerita, Department of Psychology Boston University http://www.bu.edu/psych/faculty/gleason/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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Later, we were going to my office in the elevator, which had a voice that announced the floors and said "going up" or going down". When she heard this, she said: "Oh, this elevator talks! Our elevator at home doesn't, it's a SHY elevator." Peter Gordon On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Lulu Song wrote: > I really enjoyed reading the examples everyone so generously shared and I > saved all of them. Here's one I use in my class (I might have learned about > it from our list): > "A fairy tale by adorable French girl!" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHgcj0-pXw > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Celeste Kidd wrote: > >> I like using YouTube clips for teaching. >> >> Here's one I use when I talk about "chunking" (acquiring the meaning of a >> chunk of words together): >> http://youtu.be/Fk-1mla0LeU >> >> And another good one for turn-taking, prosody, and pragmatics: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpDilztRBE >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Celeste Kidd >> Brain & Cognitive Sciences, University of Rochester >> Meliora Hall, RC 270268, Rochester, NY 14627-0268 >> www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/ckidd/ >> +1 617 515 2461 >> >> Lab: www.rochester.edu/babylab >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Hills wrote: >> >> My son once asked, "Dad, can I get a banjo that you play like this?" Then >> he made the motion for a violin. >> >> The anecdote is published here: >> >> Hills, T. (2012). The company that words keep: Comparing child and >> adult-directed language. *Journal of Child Language*, 1-19. Available >> online at doi:10.1017/S0305000912000165.**** >> >> On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44:00 AM UTC+1, Bruno wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I like to use attention grabbers the first day of class in my language >>> acquisition courses. I usually mention the fis phenomenon, McNeill and >>> Braine on negative evidence, and some fun errors (for example from Erika >>> Hoff's and Eve Clark's books, with attribution). Students laugh and become >>> really interested in figuring out why kids say the darnedest things. >>> I was wondering if somebody can share examples that can be used this way >>> or if people have some favorite ones they use. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> Bruno >>> Bruno Estigarribia >>> Assistant Professor of Spanish, Department of Romance Languages and >>> Literatures >>> Research Assistant Professor of Psychology, Cognitive Science Program >>> Affiliate Faculty, Global Studies >>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/1ade11cc-b105-413c-90fe-dd7e8746b666%40googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Info-CHILDES" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/D3DA9AF9-8ABF-4F9D-9740-0BB396639055%40bcs.rochester.edu >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > ??? 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I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es b?te' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les for?t feux emp?chent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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URL: From nratner at umd.edu Wed Aug 28 13:30:34 2013 From: nratner at umd.edu (Nan Bernstein Ratner) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:30:34 +0000 Subject: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers In-Reply-To: <1B6302315CC46C48962C4C1856B583D224A708@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> Message-ID: My son, who was later diagnosed with SLI and who was a late talker, had trouble with "Behave" also; it was definitely a tip-off in terms of his problems analyzing constructions (others in the family have SLI, which is familial); his response was typically, "I am have" or "I am having", pronounced with the long vowel. N Nan Bernstein Ratner, Professor and Chairman Fellow, ASHA Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences 0100 Lefrak Hall University of Maryland, College Park College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213, 301-405-4217 Fax: 301-314-2023 http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan Affiliated faculty: Language Sciences, Developmental Science Field Committee Neuroscience and Cognitive Neuroscience Program (NACS) From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alcock, Katie Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:58 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers A bit late to this, but I grew up "bilingual" (American mother, British father) and "translated" my mother's speech into British English. I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es b?te' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les for?t feux emp?chent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, Professor and Chairman Fellow, ASHA Department of Hearing and Speech Sciences 0100 Lefrak Hall University of Maryland, College Park College Park, MD 20742 301-405-4213, 301-405-4217 Fax: 301-314-2023 http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Bernstein%20Ratner/Nan Affiliated faculty: Language Sciences, Developmental Science Field Committee Neuroscience and Cognitive Neuroscience Program (NACS) From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alcock, Katie Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:58 AM To: info-childes at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers A bit late to this, but I grew up "bilingual" (American mother, British father) and "translated" my mother's speech into British English. I was convinced we ate "chocolate putting" and lived in "Leamington Spot". I met as an adult a little girl aged about 7 growing up in Scotland with a Canadian mother who asked everyone if they were going to the "wetting". I also apparently was told once "Behave!" to which I replied "I am being have!". There are some great snippets of overextension on Annette Karmiloff-Smith's TV series "Baby It's You" with all the fruit in the greengrocer's shop labelled as "apple" I seem to remember, as well as a lovely echo sequence with the football results. I have the series on ancient video cassette but it looks like it's now available on DVD on Amazon. We're going through the Great Retreat From Overextension with our 19 month old at the moment; at first everything said "Vov Vov" except for ducks who said "Ack Ack". Now cows say moo, sheep say baa, ducks say Ka Ka, and cats say Yow yow, but horses and non-duck-birds still say Vov Vov. He doesn't have any names for body parts in production yet, but will happily point out his nose or hair correctly, but all other names for body parts get you a point at his nose too. Katie From: Denis Donovan > Reply-To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 20:19 To: "info-childes at googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: fun things kids say as first class attention grabbers My son is now 41. You may know his two cable TV series 'Foodjammers' on the Food Network (and various others around the world) and 'Invention Nation which ran on Discovery Science a few years ago. His mother is French. I'm American (and he had the very good fortune to be born in Canada when I was in medical school). A few very brief anecdotes: During a conversation when Micah was four, I asked him something in English and he replied "Ouipe!" "What is 'ouipe'" I asked. "Well, papa," he said. "in English, you can say 'yes' or 'yep', so in French you can say 'oui' or 'ouipe.'" About the same time, Micah asked me if he could do something and I replied "You bet," meaning "yes, of course." "I AM NOT!" he replied, indignant. Because we mixed French and English a lot, he had interpreted what I said as a mixed version of 'tu es b?te' [you're stupid]. When I taught high school French over 40 years ago, I had my French II class write one-lilne TV ads or announcements. Many were of the "Les for?t feux emp?chent les ours" (forest fires prevent bears). - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 DenisDonovan at EOCT-Institute.org dmdonovan1937 at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group. 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