History of theories in language acquisition

[Isa Barriere]

Hi again Aliyah,

There may also be this problem but I was referring to something else: it is
difficult to locate and access archives and relevant historical sources in
France.

Cheers,
Isabelle


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Aliyah MORGENSTERN <
aliyah.morgenstern at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree Isabelle, our big problem is cultural! Everyone publishes in
> French, but it is slowly changing....
> Best,
> Aliyah
> Le 18 déc. 2013 à 14:32, Isa Barriere a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to comment on the messages of Brian, Philip and Aliyah's
> messages:
> - Like Philip I think it is difficult for students to appreciate the
> history of a field before they know the field in its current state.  I used
> to include a session on the history at the beginning of my undergrad
> language development class and I realized it does not work.  I now do it
> more indirectly and progressively: we discussed aspects of the history
> after they watch the 'Wild Child' by Truffaut and then I discuss these
> issues again in relation to different topics, re: different theories for
> Autism etc
> - I think that it is a shame that in the Speech Communication Arts and
> Sciences Department where I teach we do not have a regular course on the
> History at some point in the program, both in the undergrad and grad
> classes.  The Psych department has such a course I do think that it helps
> students place different approaches in perspective.
> -  The research in our field is very scattered and extremely time
> consuming, partly because it is buried in writings on the general language,
> psychology, aphasia literature and in order to disentangle myths etc one
> has to go to the original sources... and there is very little funding to
> support it.  I am attaching two presentations that were given to the
> International Society of the History of Neurosciences: the 2002 one is on
> emerging concepts of Critical Periods and Modularisation (including in the
> writings of Charcot) and the second one on other concepts of Innateness of
> cognitive functions (less focused on language): both of them argue for the
> important role that aphasiologists and neurologists had on
> developmentalists, including in the interpretation of evolutionary
> theories. And I know I should publish this work somweher but other articles
> are more urgent...
> - Alyiha: France has many relevant archives but their access is far from
> easy...
>
> Yours,
> Isabelle
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Robin Campbell <r.n.campbell at stir.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>> Besides Brian McWhinney excellent suggestions, we should not overlook
>> Georges-Louis LeClerc, Comte de Buffon, from the 18th century. His enormous
>> Histoire Naturelle (1749) contains a section dealing with language
>> development (Natural History of Man, Section II) in which he proposes a
>> least effort theory for phonological development, and reaches conclusions
>> which anticipate some of those proposed by Roman Jakobson 200 years later.
>> Another neglected writer, from the late 19th century, was the French
>> psychologist Bernard Perez. His 1878 book Les trois premières années de
>> l’enfant, étude de psychologie expérimentale (Paris: Germer Baillière.
>> Later editions to 5th, 1892, Paris: Alcan) contained a long chapter dealing
>> with language development.
>>
>> I very much agree with MacWhinney that Brown's work would have proceeded
>> as it did, had there been no Noam Chomsky. Indeed, I regard Chomsky's
>> influence on psycholinguistics and language development as baneful and
>> destructive, even malignant.
>>
>> Robin N Campbell
>> Psychology, Stirling
>> r.n.campbell at stir.ac.uk
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The University of Stirling has been ranked in the top 12 of UK
>> universities for graduate employment*.
>> 94% of our 2012 graduates were in work and/or further study within six
>> months of graduation.
>> *The Telegraph
>> The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC
>> 011159.
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "Info-CHILDES" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/AE2A7D3A3E133D4B9C471880FC718F1201B990D95C87%40EXCH2007.ad.stir.ac.uk
>> .
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "Info-CHILDES" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2b-SehXvxMP5cBWctNz8_0vjgKksvAxmHOi7TvT%2BTuhNA%40mail.gmail.com
> .
>
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> <ib4ISHN2002.pdf><ISA2003ISHN.pdf>
>
>
>  --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "Info-CHILDES" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/14A69EBD-B942-442A-ACAC-1435B01B3E4A%40gmail.com
> .
>
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to info-childes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to info-childes at googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/info-childes/CANNGd2Y-hptWJMPLdskVuDri9ppJ2TLMcUABj6SCi5GUTM1Qwg%40mail.gmail.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/info-childes/attachments/20131218/70c550e4/attachment.htm>