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Elaine Silliman
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Fri Jun 6 21:04:43 UTC 2014
Phillip and all -- There is also a software program based on the Educators'
Word Frequency Guide (Zeno et al., 1995) that will calculate the subclass
of word frequency being sought. A web search should result in the order
information. Also, Freddy Hiebert has developed a procedure for determining
rare words as a measure of text complexity. Go to TextProject.org for
further information , including her publications on this topic.
Best,
Elaine Silliman
Elaine R. Silliman
Professor Emeritus
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
University of South Florida
Tampa, FL 33647
silliman at usf.edu
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, <info-childes at googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> - list of common words <#1467138534e5c017_group_thread_0> [19 Updates]
> - Repetitions in child production <#1467138534e5c017_group_thread_1>
> [3 Updates]
> - Idiom comprehension in child language
> <#1467138534e5c017_group_thread_2> [2 Updates]
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> list of common words
> <http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes/t/60675c107d0d3ca6>
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> Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu> Jun 05 02:19PM
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> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of 'rare' words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
>
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> "Tager-Flusberg, Helen B" <htagerf at bu.edu> Jun 05 02:25PM
>
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
> _________________________________
> Helen Tager-Flusberg, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Boston University
> Professor of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Pediatrics, BUSM
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>> wrote:
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> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> Erika Hoff <erikachoff at gmail.com> Jun 05 10:29AM -0400
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> Me too.
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> Erika
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> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu>
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> Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu> Jun 05 02:45PM
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> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
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> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erika Hoff
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: list of common words
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> Me too.
>
> Erika
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> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
> _________________________________
> Helen Tager-Flusberg, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Boston University
> Professor of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Pediatrics, BUSM
>
> Address
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> Center for Autism Research Excellence
> 100 Cummington Mall
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> T: 617-358-5919<tel:617-358-5919>
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>> wrote:
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>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu> Jun 05 03:06PM
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> Yes, I’m pretty sure this is it; thanks, Nan. Did you use software to
> determine frequencies?
> Philip
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> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nan Bernstein Ratner
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:46 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
>
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> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Erika Hoff
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:30 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: list of common words
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> Me too.
>
> Erika
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
> _________________________________
> Helen Tager-Flusberg, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Boston University
> Professor of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Pediatrics, BUSM
>
> Address
> Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences
> Center for Autism Research Excellence
> 100 Cummington Mall
> Boston MA 02215
> T: 617-358-5919<tel:617-358-5919>
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>
> www.bu.edu/autism<http://www.bu.edu/autism>
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>> wrote:
>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu> Jun 05 03:08PM
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> We did what the earlier posting suggested, filtered our
> child-addressed speech samples through this in CLAN (e.g., -s at lexrare),
> and then additionally cleaned up proper names for a proportion of
> maternal/paternal input that consisted of relatively rare words.
>
> Nan
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> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Dale
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> Yes, I’m pretty sure this is it; thanks, Nan. Did you use software to
> determine frequencies?
> Philip
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nan Bernstein Ratner
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:46 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Erika Hoff
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:30 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> Me too.
>
> Erika
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
> _________________________________
> Helen Tager-Flusberg, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Boston University
> Professor of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Pediatrics, BUSM
>
> Address
> Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences
> Center for Autism Research Excellence
> 100 Cummington Mall
> Boston MA 02215
> T: 617-358-5919<tel:617-358-5919>
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>
> www.bu.edu/autism<http://www.bu.edu/autism>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>> wrote:
>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> "Hedvig Skirgård" <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> Jun 05 05:21PM +0200
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> You want adult-adult frequencies right? Why not just use the COCA or
> BNC?
>
> /Hedvig
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> Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu> Jun 05 03:23PM
>
> Could you spell those out?
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hedvig Skirgård
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:22 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> You want adult-adult frequencies right? Why not just use the COCA or
> BNC?
>
> /Hedvig
>
> 2014-06-05 17:08 GMT+02:00 Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu
> <mailto:nratner at umd.edu>>:
> We did what the earlier posting suggested, filtered our
> child-addressed speech samples through this in CLAN (e.g., -s at lexrare),
> and then additionally cleaned up proper names for a proportion of
> maternal/paternal input that consisted of relatively rare words.
>
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Philip Dale
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:06 AM
>
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> Yes, I’m pretty sure this is it; thanks, Nan. Did you use software to
> determine frequencies?
> Philip
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nan Bernstein Ratner
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> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
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> Me too.
>
> Erika
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
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>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> "Hedvig Skirgård" <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> Jun 05 05:28PM +0200
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> Corpus of Contemporary American English (COCA):
> http://corpus.byu.edu/coca/
> British National Corpus (BNC http://www.natcorp.ox.ac.uk/
>
> /Hedvig
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>
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> Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu> Jun 05 03:29PM
>
> OK, I am attaching Beals and Tabors, which explains the file and how
> it was constructed; since it was to look at rare words as defined by speech
> children are more likely to hear, the list was derived by using a list that
> Chall and Dale composed, based on 4th grade vocabulary. Like Philip, I have
> no idea what those other lists or resources are, but if you want to look at
> CDS, this list has a reasonable pedigree.
>
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Dale
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:24 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> Could you spell those out?
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Hedvig Skirgård
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:22 AM
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> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> You want adult-adult frequencies right? Why not just use the COCA or
> BNC?
>
> /Hedvig
>
> 2014-06-05 17:08 GMT+02:00 Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu
> <mailto:nratner at umd.edu>>:
> We did what the earlier posting suggested, filtered our
> child-addressed speech samples through this in CLAN (e.g., -s at lexrare),
> and then additionally cleaned up proper names for a proportion of
> maternal/paternal input that consisted of relatively rare words.
>
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> <mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Philip Dale
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:06 AM
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> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> Yes, I’m pretty sure this is it; thanks, Nan. Did you use software to
> determine frequencies?
> Philip
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Nan Bernstein Ratner
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:46 AM
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> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Erika Hoff
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:30 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> Me too.
>
> Erika
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
> _________________________________
> Helen Tager-Flusberg, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychological & Brain Sciences, Boston University
> Professor of Anatomy & Neurobiology and Pediatrics, BUSM
>
> Address
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>> wrote:
>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
> Philip Dale
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> "Hedvig Skirgård" <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> Jun 05 05:30PM +0200
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> However, I don't really know what variety of English you're after, nor
> genre or adult-adult or adult-child.
>
> /Hedvig
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Shelley Brundage <shelley.brundage at gmail.com> Jun 05 11:30AM -0400
>
> ho Folks
> I was remembering something by Thorndike and Lorge. Here is some info
> from
> Wikipedia regarding 'traditional lists of word frequency":
>
> Traditional lists[edit
> <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Word_lists_by_frequency&action=edit§ion=10
> >
> ]The Teachers Word Book of 30,000 words (Thorndike and Lorge, 1944)
>
> The TWB contains 30,000 lemmas or ~13,000 word families (Goulden,
> Nation
> and Read, 1990). A corpus of 18,000,000 written words was hand
> analysed.
> The size of its inputted corpus increased its usefulness, but its age
> and
> language change reduced its applicability (Nation 1997
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency#CITEREFNation1997
> >).
> The General Service List
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Service_List> (West,
> 1953)
>
> The GSL contains 2,000 headwords divided into two sets of 1,000 words.
> A
> corpus of 5,000,000 written words was analysed in the 1940s. Rate of
> occurrence (%) for different meanings and parts of speech of the
> headword
> are provided, while it was also a careful application of the various
> criteria other than frequency and range. Thus, despite its age, some
> errors, and its solely written base, it is still an excellent database
> (word frequency, frequency of meanings, reduction of noise) (Nation
> 1997
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency#CITEREFNation1997
> >).
> The American Heritage Word Frequency Book (Carroll, Davies and Richman,
> 1971)
>
> A corpus of 5,000,000 running words, from written texts used in United
> States schools (various grades, various subject areas). Its value is
> in its
> focus on school teaching materials, and its tagging of words, namely
> the
> frequency of each word in each of the school grade levels and in each
> of
> the subject areas (Nation 1997
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency#CITEREFNation1997
> >).
> The Brown (Francis and Kucera, 1982) LOB and related corpora
>
> These now contain 1,000,000 words from a written corpora representing
> different dialects of English. These sources are used to produce
> frequency
> lists (Nation 1997
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency#CITEREFNation1997
> >).
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu>
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> "Hedvig Skirgård" <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> Jun 05 05:33PM +0200
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> COCA and BNC are both based on the Brown corpus structure, and much
> larger.
>
> /Hedvig
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu> Jun 05 03:42PM
>
> Thanks so much. I should have been clearer at the outset. In this
> case, I’m interested in adult-adult speech (for adult-child speech, as in
> Goodman, Dale & Li, 2008, we used a FREQ analysis of CHILDES corpora).
> COCA looks the best, as it actually has word frequencies. On first
> examination, BNC is just the corpora, and you’d have to do the analyses
> yourself. But I might be wrong here.
> Philip
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hedvig Skirgård
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> Corpus of Contemporary American English (COCA):
> http://corpus.byu.edu/coca/
> British National Corpus (BNC http://www.natcorp.ox.ac.uk/
> /Hedvig
>
> 2014-06-05 17:23 GMT+02:00 Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
> dalep at unm.edu>>:
> Could you spell those out?
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Hedvig Skirgård
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:22 AM
>
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> You want adult-adult frequencies right? Why not just use the COCA or
> BNC?
>
> /Hedvig
>
> 2014-06-05 17:08 GMT+02:00 Nan Bernstein Ratner <nratner at umd.edu
> <mailto:nratner at umd.edu>>:
> We did what the earlier posting suggested, filtered our
> child-addressed speech samples through this in CLAN (e.g., -s at lexrare),
> and then additionally cleaned up proper names for a proportion of
> maternal/paternal input that consisted of relatively rare words.
>
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Philip Dale
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:06 AM
>
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> Yes, I’m pretty sure this is it; thanks, Nan. Did you use software to
> determine frequencies?
> Philip
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com> [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Nan Bernstein Ratner
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:46 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: list of common words
>
> I think this is what folks want. My memory is that it was prepared by
> Patton Tabors of Harvard Grad School of Ed; we have used it in a few
> studies. I hope this attachment will go through. I do not know if there are
> others; this is the one we have used.
>
> Best to all,
> Nan
>
>
> From: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Erika Hoff
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:30 AM
> To: info-childes at googlegroups.com<mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: list of common words
>
> Me too.
>
> Erika
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu<mailto:htagerf at bu.edu>> wrote:
> Philip,
> I too am interested in this information ---can you send me useful
> replies?
>
> thanks!
> Helen
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Philip Dale <dalep at unm.edu<mailto:
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>
> I have the memory that there is a list somewhere of the 3000 (?) most
> common words in English, which can be used by exclusion to measure the use
> of ‘rare’ words. Can someone point me to that list? Even better, is there
> software available to scan a passage and compute the number of common vs.
> rare wrods? Many thanks.
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> "Hedvig Skirgård" <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> Jun 05 05:48PM +0200
>
> You should use COCA or BNC depending on whether you're looking at a
> American or British variety
>
> There are different ways of counting frequency, and you might not be
> interested in all the material in COCA/BNC, so be aware of the
> proportions
> of genres, speakers etc.
>
> If you want to learn more about frequencies in the BNC, go here:
> http://www.natcorp.ox.ac.uk/using/index.xml?ID=other#freq
>
> /Hedvig
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>
>
>
>
>
> Roberta Golinkoff <Roberta at udel.edu> Jun 05 01:56PM -0400
>
> Masterson, J., Druks, J., & Gallienne, D. (2008). Object and action
> picture
> naming in 3- to 5-year-old children. *Journal of Child Language, 35*,
> 373-402.
>
> I have found the above useful for their word lists.
> Best, Roberta Golinkoff
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Tager-Flusberg, Helen B <
> htagerf at bu.edu>
> wrote:
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> walesgin <walesgin at gmail.com> Jun 05 02:24PM -0400
>
> I asked my colleague Hans Stadthagen-Gonzalez about this, and he
> replied
> with the following, which may be of some help:
>
> I don’t know of any list of 3000 words per se, but there are several
> word
> frequency corpora that could easily be used for this. Out of the top
> of my
> head, CELEX or the British National Corpus (BNC) are widely used and
> each
> has a very large sample but are both for British English. A good
> alternative for American English is Brysbaert’s SubtlexUS, which is
> based
> on movie subtitles and has been shown to explain a large portion of
> variance in word recognition (in other words, it’s a good sample). You
> can
> find more info here:expsy.ugent.be/subtlexus/
>
> If you need frequency counts for particular age groups, there’s the
> Educator’s Word Frequency Guide, which is stratified by school grade
> and
> based on reading materials from Kindergarten through 12+ grade.
>
> Going back to the question, I would not frame it in terms of 3K words
> and
> whatever is not on the list is considered “rare”, but in terms of a
> cutoff
> frequency below which words are considered infrequent. The cutoff
> would be
> somewhat arbitrary and dependent on the purpose of the study (but
> there is
> literature out there discussing this issue).
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Ngoni Chipere <ngoni.chipere at gmail.com> Jun 06 04:54AM -0400
>
> You might want to have a look at Paul Meara's p_lex program,
> dowloadable
> here:
>
> http://www.lognostics.co.uk/tools/index.htm
>
> and explained here:
>
>
> http://www.ameprc.mq.edu.au/docs/prospect_journal/volume_16_no_3/Prospect_16,3_article_1.pdf
>
> regards
>
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>
>
>
> Christophe dos Santos <christophe.dossantos at univ-tours.fr> Jun 06
> 02:17PM +0200
>
> If you look for adult-adult oral language frequencies of American
> English,
> you may want to have a look to SUBTL database.
>
> http://subtlexus.lexique.org/
>
> Best,
>
> Christophe dos Santos
> Université François-Rabelais, Tours
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Repetitions in child production
> <http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes/t/721d9f4b4551c08e>
>
> Diane Lillo-Martin <diane.lillomartin at gmail.com> Jun 05 12:04PM -0400
>
> Dear all,
> I would be very interested in knowing how you treat self-repetitions
> for
> various types of analyses, especially MLU.
>
> In particular, I'm thinking of both single word and phrase repetitions,
> such as a sequence of repeating the word 'ball' while playing with the
> ball; or repetitions of phrases such as 'want cookie', either
> immediate or
> with some intervening talk.
>
> I know that immediate repetitions are generally not counted according
> to
> the criteria established by Brown. I believe that they would be
> included in
> the CLAN calculation of MLU unless they are specifically tagged and the
> command is set to exclude them.
>
> If you work with MLU or other measures for which it is relevant, how
> do you
> treat such repetitions?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
> Diane
>
> ----------
> Diane Lillo-Martin
> University of Connecticut
>
>
>
>
> "Rakhlin, Natalia" <natalia.rakhlin at yale.edu> Jun 05 04:16PM
>
> Hi, Diane,
>
> Repetitions and other types of "mazes" (false starts, interjections,
> self-corrections) are typically not included as countable utterance for MLU
> calculation, although it may be included in some types of analyses
> depending on your goal. There are some pretty good papers that describe
> principled ways of chunking spoken language into analyzable units. Here is
> one (but there may be better ones - if you would like, I can take a look
> and send you more references): Foster, P., Tonkyn, A., & Wigglesworth
> (2000). Measuring Spoken Language: a Unit for All Reasons, Applied
> Linguistics, 21/3, 354-375.
>
> Best,
>
> Natasha
>
>
>
>
> Natalia Rakhlin, Ph.D.
> Child Study Center
> Yale University
> 230 South Frontage Rd
> New Haven CT 06519-1124
>
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Diane Lillo-Martin wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I would be very interested in knowing how you treat self-repetitions
> for various types of analyses, especially MLU.
>
> In particular, I'm thinking of both single word and phrase
> repetitions, such as a sequence of repeating the word 'ball' while playing
> with the ball; or repetitions of phrases such as 'want cookie', either
> immediate or with some intervening talk.
>
> I know that immediate repetitions are generally not counted according
> to the criteria established by Brown. I believe that they would be included
> in the CLAN calculation of MLU unless they are specifically tagged and the
> command is set to exclude them.
>
> If you work with MLU or other measures for which it is relevant, how
> do you treat such repetitions?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
> Diane
>
> ----------
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> Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> Jun 06 09:32AM +0200
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> Dear Diane,
> As noted by Natasha Rakhlin, repetitions are typically excluded from
> MLU. This is done automatically and by default in the CLAN MLU program,
> using the marking of repetitions with the <text> [/] and <text> [//]
> symbols. There is also a program called REPEAT that can add these marks if
> they are not present, but it is safer to do this carefully when
> transcribing.
>
> — Brian MacWhinney
>
>
>
>
>
> Idiom comprehension in child language
> <http://groups.google.com/group/info-childes/t/f410e52405d929f5>
>
> Tom Roeper <roeper at linguist.umass.edu> Jun 05 09:44AM -0400
>
> Hi folks--
>
> just to mention a couple of things--an example I just heard:
> "I know a shortcut"
> "well, I know a shorter cut"
> and cases like "you're a slowpoke, but I'm a fastpoke".
>
> I wrote a paper on idioms with Zvi Penner that appears
> in the volume for Jüregen Weisenborn by Mouton--it
> relates to complex sentences.
>
> Work by Ellen Winner on Metaphor seems pertinent
> to children's comprehension of them. A child with
> a stomache who said"
> "there's a fireengine in my stomach"
> or a child with a stuffed nose who said:
> "there's paint in my nose".
>
> Deviations from compositionality can still be logically
> motivated.
>
> Tom Roeper
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Keith Nelson <k1n at psu.edu> Jun 05 11:44AM -0400
>
> Hi all. I m attaching a JCL paper just out from our lab that reviews
> lit
> and presents an intervention study on idiom comprehension. Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Tom Roeper <roeper at linguist.umass.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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