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<div>no idea, mine was pure anecdote.</div>
<div>Annette</div>
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<div>At 09:55 am +0100 3/8/04, Katie Alcock wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Verdana">I'd love to know
if this particular phenomenon has been formally researched, as I have
an American mother and used to think one ate "chocolate putting"
and that we lived in "Leamington Spot". A Canadian living in
Scotland that I used to know had a daughter who asked people "are
you going to the wetting?" I know that children overcompensate
for the accent they hear in their spelling ("Chinar"), but I
haven't seen anything on spoken language.<br>
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Katie Alcock<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Verdana"><b>From:</b>
Professor Annette Karmiloff-Smith
<a.karmiloff-smith@ich.ucl.ac.uk><br>
<b>Date:</b> Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:26:49 +0100<br>
<b>To:</b> "Gordon, Peter"
<pgordon@exchange.tc.columbia.edu>,
info-childes@mail.talkbank.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposal to develop a GEMS folder on CHILDES<br>
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Just got back from being with my six grandchildren, three of whom were
visiting from the UK their cousins who live in Manhatten.<br>
Here's a gem for you!<br>
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5 year old: "let's play baddles"<br>
4 year old: "it's not baddles, it's battles. Battles doesn't
rhyme with paddles""!<br>
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hope you're well<br>
best<br>
Annette<br>
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At 12:06 pm -0400 30/7/04, Gordon, Peter wrote:</font><br>
<blockquote><font face="Arial" size="-1">Proposal to develop a GEMS
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</font><font face="Arial" size="-1">Many of us in the child language
community are parents, but we don't have the time or organization to
collect large language samples from our kids. However, probably
most of us have kept a notebook handy to record interesting things
that our kids say. Sometimes they just never get used because
it's not really enough to publish and might end up being only an
anecdote in our classes. It seems to me that this is a rich
source of unsystematic but theoretically relevant data. It's the
kind of data that will only show up fortuitously in the more
systematic data collections but because we as child language
researchers are trained to know when something is remarkable, we can
identify such utterances easily and jot them down. Think of all
of the rich examples that have become available, for example, from
Melissa Bowerman with these kinds of data.<br>
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</font><font face="Arial" size="-1">I would suggest that we develop a
format for distributing these gems -- perhaps the same basic CHAT
format in little mini files-- and have a folder in which these
can be reside on CHILDES. Perhaps we could include key words
that would help to identify the kind of error that the child made.
This would not substitute for true quantitative data, but it
might be useful for answering questions, for example, about
whether or not kids ever make errors of certain types. Such
errors may never show up in the systematic speech samples but
nevertheless could be found within the broader language output of the
child. Perhaps we could start off by seeing how many of us have
these scrappy notebooks lying around waiting to be mined.
Perhaps if there were a public place to deposit such data, this
might encourage people to do this more.<br>
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</font><font face="Arial" size="-1">Peter Gordon<br>
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Biobehavioral Sciences Department<br>
Teachers College, Columbia University<br>
New York, NY 10027<br>
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