<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Folks,<div><br></div><div>Thanks, Gordon, for the clarifications. Perhaps I should add that the songs contained in CHILDES materials are all folk songs and lullabies. Unless I am really out of date in my tracking of the latest copyright fences, I think folk songs are still the property of the people. <div><br></div><div>--Brian MacWhinney</div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 23, 2008, at 6:14 AM, Gordon Ingram wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> I'm no expert in IP law, but I have read a little bit about it because I think it raises fascinating philosophical issues. It seems to me that the distribution of incidental music (or even children's renditions of songs) on a database such as CHILDES would be a textbook example of fair use, since "educational purpose" is one of the most frequently cited examples of fair use. <div><br></div><div>Even in the case to which you refer, where the recording of the baby dancing (while very cute!) has little or no educational value, fair use is not in question: all parties agree that the recording is legal. That's why it can be linked to from the CNET story! The point at issue is who has responsibility for assessing whether a particular recording constitutes fair use. The plaintiff and the EFF are claiming that this is the responsibility of the copyright holder, and hence that she is entitled to damages because the takedown notice was issued by the copyright holders in bad faith, knowing that it was fair use. The copyright holders claim that the existing appeals mechanism to reinstate fair-use recordings is sufficient protection against the occasional mistaken takedown notice. The judge agrees that the copyright holder should try to determine whether recordings are fair use before issuing a takedown notice, but doubts that they were acting in bad faith.<br><div><br></div><div>So this case would only really be relevant if a copyright holder were to issue a takedown notice against something in CHILDES. Hopefully that is not going to happen!</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Gordon</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">===================================</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Gordon Ingram</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Institute of Cognition and Culture</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Queen's University, Belfast</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Tel: +44 28 9097 1340</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Mob: +44 7973 136820</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.qub.ac.uk/icc">http://www.qub.ac.uk/icc</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">===================================</div></div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On 23 Aug 2008, at 02:23, Margaret Fleck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><br>This may well be an artifact of how existing corpora are recorded, since<br>audio sources frequently tend to be on in natural home environments.<br>Also, I'm not sure it's legal to distribute recordings of copyrighted songs<br>even if the performer is an amateur, since there are also performance<br>rights involved.<br><br><br>Margaret M. Fleck<br> University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign<br> <a href="mailto:margaretmfleck@yahoo.com">margaretmfleck@yahoo.com</a><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 8/21/08, Brian MacWhinney <i><<a href="mailto:macw@cmu.edu">macw@cmu.edu</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Brian MacWhinney <<a href="mailto:macw@cmu.edu">macw@cmu.edu</a>><br>Subject: Re: legality of home recording<br>To: <a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a><br>Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 9:23 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1029235949">Folks,<div> I don't think this ruling will have any impact on any of the materials in either CHILDES or TalkBank. I have listened to perhaps a thousand hours of these materials and the only instance of clear use of music in the CHILDES and TalkBank materials is in the segment of the Dresden SLA corpus that studies how music can support language learning. Moreover, in these materials, it is the school-aged children themselves who are the performers, since they are singing the songs. By the way, they are really great!</div><div><br></div><div>-- Brian MacWhinney</div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Margaret Fleck wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top"><br>The following legal case<br> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10021999-93.html?hhTest=1">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10021999-93.html?hhTest=1</a><br>is worth following, because it directly addresses the question of the legality<br>of distributing recordings with incidental background audio/video, something<br>that could easily occur in language recordings done in homes or other<br>natural settings. Or even foreground audio material, if you are recordings<br>subjects who are at all musical.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Margaret (Margaret Fleck, U. Illinois)<br><br><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div><br> <br> </div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><br> <br> </div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br>
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