<div><font color="#000099">Is it liberation from context or the adoption of a different one?</font></div>
<div><font color="#000099">Seems to me imagination is about possible worlds, i.e. other contexts</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tom Roeper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roeper@linguist.umass.edu">roeper@linguist.umass.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">It is pretty simple---if language is an autonomous system--we can form non-sense sentences---and <br>possibly worlds. All of creativity involves imagining and distorting how things are--going against <br>
context and reality----sometimes in a possible world, or may be an impossible one. <br> this is what Jabberwocky showed about a century ago. It is the moment of liberation from context<br>that we have to capture.<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> i wouldn't eve have thought that "anti-pragmatic ability is the sign of true acquisition"... <br><br>Does that mean that one fully acquired language only when one is able to use it inappropriately? <br>
If this is what is meant, then i wonder how humankind was able to maintain the ability to communicate linguistically. Or does the above statement mean that true acquisition relates to the ability to understand sentences which make no or little sense in our world (but may be true in other worlds in which mice get eaten by cheese rather than the other way round and in which Chomsky is an advocate of pragmatic bootstrapping?)<br>
<br>regards,<br>Suse<br><br><br><br>Am 22-03-11 17:03, schrieb Tom Roeper:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Tom Roeper<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> 22 March 2011 12:37<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: pragmatic bootstrapping</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anat---<br> in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic<br>
mapping onto syntax to justify transformations. That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic <br>information. It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections<br>on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include<br>
pragmatics and he agreed.<br> It is obvious that it is hard to understand:<br> the cat was chased by the dog.<br>but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic advantage when they hear:<br><br>the milk was drunk by the boy<br>
<br>because they know that milk cannot drink boy. If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation,<br>then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow,<br>
do I have a mental operation to do it".<br> Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old:<br><br> the cheese ate the mouse<br><br>they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true. An anti-pragmatic ability is the<br>
sign of true acquisition.<br><br>best, Tom Roeper</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio <<a href="mailto:msninio@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il" target="_blank">msninio@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Dear List,<br><br>Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping". <br>
<br>Thanks,<br><br>Anat Ninio<br> <br></span></font><br>On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote: </p>
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Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), <i><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development,</span></i> Vol. <i><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">2</span></i> (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press.</span></font></p>
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Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say </span></font></p>
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Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is, through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions."</span></font><font size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> (p.319)</span></font></p>
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Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that</span></font><font size="5"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt"> </span></font><font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I should mention?</span></font> <font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Any newer publication of yours on this point?</span></font><br>
<br>Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure, <br><br>Anat<br><br><br>On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote: </p>
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