<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>The subtext here is that adult-derived norms are no good. I agree. And ditto for all that MacArthur CDI stuff. Research based on such adult-derived data</div><div>simply muddies the waters. And they're pretty muddy by now . . </div><br><div><div>On 13 Jul 2011, at 13:59, Cristina McKean wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Morrison Chappell and Ellis have some experimentally derived (rather than adult estimated) ones for nouns but they are a limited subset and British English.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -36pt; "><a name="_ENREF_1"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Morrison, C. M., Chappell, T. D., & Ellis, A. W. (1997). Age of acquisition norms for a large data set of object names and their relation to adult estimates and other variables.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>The Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology, 50A</i>(3), 528-559.</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The verb paper below is adult ratings……<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -36pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -36pt; "><a name="_ENREF_2"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Morrison, C. M., Hirsh, K. W., & Duggan, G. B. (2003). Age of acquisition, ageing, and verb production: normative and experimental data.<i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Quarterly Journal Of Experimental Psychology Section A-Human Experimental Psychology, 56</i>(4), 705-730.</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">And I know there are MANY other sources for AoA based on adult estimates……e.g. Hans Stadthagen-Gonzalez and Colin J. Davis<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Good luck<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Cristina<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; 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padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Max Freeman<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>13 July 2011 12:51<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Frequency and AoA norms<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Dear Dr. MacWhinney,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Thank you so much for the link. Do you know where I can find AoA norms?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Thanks and have a nice day!<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">-Max<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">2011/7/12 Brian MacWhinney <<a href="mailto:macw@cmu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">macw@cmu.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Max,<br><br> Check out the link on the CHILDES home page to the "ChildFREQ site and paper".<br><br>--Brian MacWhinney<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br>On Jul 12, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Max Freeman wrote:<br><br>> Hello,<br>><br>> My name is Max Freeman and I am a lab coordinator at the Temple Infant Lab. We are working on a computerized language assessment for 3-5 year olds and need some help locating corpra for children of this age range. We are looking for spoken frequency counts as well as age of acquisition ratings for various nouns and verbs. Does anyone in the research community know where we can find this?<br>><br>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.<br>><br>> Thanks!<br>> -Max Freeman<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Max Freeman<br>> Laboratory Coordinator<br>> Temple University Infant Laboratory<br>> 580 Meeting House Rd<br>> 1st Floor Haines House<br>> Ambler, PA 19002<br>> (267) 468-8610<br>><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">> --<br>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Info-CHILDES" group.<br>> To post to this group, send email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info-childes@googlegroups.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info-childes@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info-childes%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com" style="color: blue; 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