[Lexicog] feugo etymology

[David Tuggy]

You also get examples like hierro 'iron', fierro '(iron) tool',
ferreteria 'hardware store', herradura 'horseshoe', etc. The stress and
diphthongization stuff is relevant to some extent, but not
determinative. As the example shows, you can get both forms with and
without stress and a following diphthong. And yes, Spanish has quite a
few examples of the same Latin root occurring in a much-adapted form, a
survival or product of centuries of popular use, and a less-adapted
form, often a later re-borrowing from the Latin of the educated (e.g.
leche 'milk' lacteos 'milk-derived products').

By the way, it wasn't till I read in Lewis & Clark's journal the
description of a "halk" in flight that it dawned on me that hawk and
falcon (Spanish halcón) are related via this same f > h change.

(For any who may not know it, the h in Spanish is not pronounced at all,
but is a sort of graphic remnant or fossil. The h in the English hawk,
however, is pronounced.)

--David Tuggy

Chaz and Helga Mortensen wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You have to take stress placement into account here as well. Fuego has
> stress on the first syllable and the /o/ (I can never remember if it's
> the Latin
> /o/ or /o:/) becomes -ue-. (If the /o/ does not change in this
> situation it comes from the other Latin /o/.)
> In fogon and fogata, the /o/ is not stressed and maintains its quality.
> This rule applies no matter what the preceding consonant, as far as I
> know, and is analogous to the rule that causes one of the Latin /e/s to
> become -ie-, as in tener >> tiene.
>
> -Chaz
>
> On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Mike Maxwell wrote:
>
> > Chaz and Helga Mortensen wrote:
> >> Rudy, I had not realized that there was a connection between "hogar"
> >> and 'fireplace' because few if any homes of Spanish speakers have them
> >> anymore (at least where I have been). But there are also words like
> >> "fogata", which is a large, organized campfire at, say, a church
> >> retreat, "fogon", which is a cooking fire, "hoguera", a bonfire, etc.
> >
> > There must be a interesting etymology here--the Latin /f/ developed
> > into
> > /h/ in Spanish in the position # __ V (e.g. hierro 'iron' < Latin
> > ferrum; but not #__ue, presumably because the letter 'u' here is really
> > a glide /w/).  I was under the impression that Spanish words which were
> > derived from Latin but which had /f/ were later borrowings (like the
> > proper name 'Fierro').
> >
> > Spanish fuego falls under the exception to the sound change, since the
> > etymological /f/ comes before 'ue' (= /we/, at least in modern Spanish;
> > presumably the o: -> we sound change happened before the f -> h sound
> > change).
> >
> > But what about fogota and fogon: are they later borrowings?  Or was
> > there another exception to the f > h sound change?  Or are these words
> > borrowed from other languages (like Spanish filosofia < Greek
> > philosophia--or was this a later borrowing by way of learned Latin,
> > too?).
> > --
> >       Mike Maxwell
> >       Linguistic Data Consortium
> >       maxwell at ldc.upenn.edu
> >
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