[Lexicog] blessing

Wed Sep 21 21:35:38 UTC 2005

Let us drink for "handsom life" of both of us. You are right about Yiddish, or I would rather say Weiber-Taitsch, etymology,
Sheynin comes from the female eponym Sheine, a femaile name which is equal to German Schoene ("a beauty") || Yafa, Nava, Linda, Ermoza, Bella, Jamila, Hasana. In Prussian and Slavic names -in is a relation suffix. So Sheynin is one who relates to a clan of Sheyna; Zislin is one who relates to clan of Zisla, Zeitlin (from Zeitel or Zeitla), Yentin (from Yenta, which is in its turn from Romance Gentile/Gentille), etc. In Russian Karen-in, Trayn-in, Volod-in, Marin-in, Stal-in, Len-in. But can you eluminate me, what is the meaning of -in in Prussian names like Cronin/Kronin and of similar morphology. Is he related to Krone (a coin) or to the crown?
In Rissian you sometime encounter doubling of relation suffixes: Mari-in-skij.

Best wishes,
Hayim

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From: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fritz Goerling
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Subject: RE: [Lexicog] blessing

Le Hayim, Hayim!

which is a blessing, as you know (for those who don't: Hayim in Hebrew means "life" and
Le Hayim/Chaim (literally "To life!") equals "Cheers!" or "To your health!" in English, 
"Prost! in German, "Santé!" in French" when you drink a glass together with someone. 
What do other languages say? I heard in Spanish: "Salud, amor, y pesetas!" which I liked.

There might be a slight problem with the etymology you give for your last name.
If it is of Yiddish origin (which it probably is), then I cannot debate the ending -in because I don't know
about its function. But as I understand "schön" which is definitely German (meaning: handsome,
beautiful), I have to say that you have quite a name: Handsome Hayim.

Shalom,

Fritz

	It seems that at least etymologically English "bless" connected not with French "blesser/blessure" (to wound/the wound), 
	but with Germanic "blood" (in some Old Germanic dialects blet- / bled- / bloet-, predecessor of modern German Blut).
	It is possible that ancient Germans blessed young warriors with some kind of blood ritual or sacrifice. OED brings Old
	Teutonic etymology, but I think this cluster is much older

	Best wishes,
	Hayim Sheynin [etymologically Schoenin]

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	From: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fritz Goerling
	Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:41 PM
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	Subject: RE: [Lexicog] blessing

	Si,

	I think there is no connection whatsoever between French "blesser/blessure" (to wound/the wound)
	and "to bless/blessing." This reminds me of a prayer which I once heard from an American
	missionary in Côte d'Ivoire who prayed in French: "Seigneur, blesse-nous" which every French-
	speaking person can only understand as "Lord, wound us."

	Fritz 

	Si wrote:

	 The link between the Romance idea of wounding (cf Fr la la blessure) and blessing also seems significant.

		Si

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