[Lexicog] Re: meaning and usage of "on me"

[Hayim Sheynin]

Rudy,

I think all Romance languages inherited Dativus commodi and Dativus incommody
from the language parrent, i.e. Latin.

Hayim Sheynin

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:20 AM,  <rtroike at email.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> I encountered the positive "ethical dative" in Spanish recently, after
> hearing our nanny tell our twins "Cometelo" ('eat-yourself-it') and
> "Tomatela" ('drink-yourself-it'). I originally mistook it as a reflexive,
> as suggested in the glosses, but was informed by a Spanish linguist friend
> that it is used in familiar contexts where the "te" is an affectionate
> benefactive.
>
> I'm a long-standing admirer of Charles Fillmore's Case Grammar, and still
> teach that in my English grammar classes, since it makes so much sense.
> (Chomsky hijacked the idea in his 'theta-roles', which, however, play no
> significant role in his still purely Structuralist theory.) In Fillmore's
> terms (and others who have adapted the ideas as 'semantic roles'), the deep
> Case (Kasus) would be "Experiencer", which would encompass David's
> "affected".
> Experiencer is most often realized as Dative case, or pre/postpositional
> "to" or equivalent (Japanese "ni"). For whatever reason, this malefactive
> use that Ken identified in English is marked with a Locative "on", though
> the meaning clearly relates to the Experiencer/Dative.
>
> Rudy Troike
>
> 

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