[Lexicog] power of nasal consonant

Wed Oct 28 14:33:01 UTC 2015

Interesting data!

I can see the /pn/ à [m] preserves both the place of the /p/ and the
nasality of the /n/. There’s different ways this could be formally analyzed
with rules or constraints. Whether 1)  /p/ à [m] before /n/, and then /n/
disappears, or 2) /n/ à [m] after /p/, and then /p/ disappears, or 3) some
other merging operation, needs more data to figure out. Are there other
cases similar to this, or is it limited to this one word?

Also interesting is the directionality. It seems you do NOT get:

ma    tapna  tam    lak-i 'He comes very slowly'.

Right?

As for further insights/analysis, it depends on what your goal is. If you’d
like to understand it more deeply, perhaps for a write-up or paper, then
great – keep asking, and perhaps someone could guide you through the
questions you’d need to answer to figure out the process. If it’s just to
have a general idea of what’s going on, then you may not need much more.

Grace to you,

Mike Cahill

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*Subject:* Re: [Lexicog] power of nasal consonant

Thanks to all for your response to my query. I would like to discuss a
little more in the same line by citing examples from Manipuri/Meithei (T-B
language). Let's consider the following:

1. ma    tapna                tapna                lak-i

    3sg    be.slow-Adv    be.slow-Adv    come-Asp    'He comes very slowly'.

In (1) tapna tapna 'very slowly (approx.)' is a case of duplication and
this can be contracted in connected speech as in (2) below.

(2)    ma    tam    tapna    lak-i 'He comes very slowly'.

In (2), the first word of the duplication is seen as having 'm' (nasal) as
the final segment.

How does /p/ changes to /m/, I suppose, is due to the influence of the
following /n/.

Further, the contraction may be extended to the second member of the
duplication as in (3)

(3)    ma    tam    tam    lak-i 'He comes very slowly'

Any other possible explanation is sought.

Thanks

surmangol

--------------------------------- Hanjabam Surmangol Sharma Department of
Linguistics Manipur University, Canchipur Imphal 795 003 MANIPUR

On Wednesday, 28 October 2015 6:35 AM, "Patrick C patrick.chew at gmail.com
[lexicographylist]" <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

To dovetail with previous answers, Korean shows the following:

Sino-Korean

sam ri > sam ni "three ri ('miles')" (三里 삼리)

haeng-ri > haeng-ni "luggage" (行李 행리) [obs.?]

native-Korean:

<-pnita> = [-mnida] -ㅂ니다

formal polite verb ending, eg:

ha- "to do" > hamnida 합니다

other verb endings that cause the same sandhi effect:

<-ni> : <ka-ss-ni> = [kanni] (갔니 "(you) went?")

<-ne> :  <eops-ne> = [eomne] (없네 "there isn't any...")

<-neun-> : <meok-neun-de> = [meongneunde] (먹는데 "even though X eat(s)")

cheers,

-Patrick

Apologies for typos - typed with my thumbs and subject to autocorrect in
the most amusing of ways. (i.e. on my iPhone)

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Mike Cahill Mike_Cahill at sil.org
[lexicographylist] <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Another example, briefly, from Konni of Ghana, again affecting /r/:

/gim-ri/ à [ginni]  ‘sparrow-the’  (cf. /daa-ri/ à [daari] ‘day-the’)

I’m sure there are more around the world!

Mike

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*Subject:* Re: [Lexicog] power of nasal consonant

Hanjabam Surmango Shama:

In response to your question:  can a nasal consonant affect a oral
consonant as the later becomes a nasal?

Yes, a nasal vowel followed by the consonant “r” naturally affects it to
sound as an “n.”   Further, a nasal vowel will affect a succeeding vowel to
sound as a nasual.

In Báxoje Jiwére language (Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska), a Siouan language:

-- rúmi (buy s.t.) ~ hin*númi*wi  (we buy it)  [hin-...wi (we) + rúmi (buy)

-- Where two vowels are separated by “h, w, y, or glottal stop (^)”
nasalization goes across both vowels.  Note:

    pahí (sharp) > pahínhin (thorn);

    yán (sleep)  >  ayán ~ anyán (bed; lay on)

    ki^ín (gamble) > kin^ín (gamble; try)

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*Subject:* [Lexicog] power of nasal consonant

Dear All,

I invite your suggestions to the point at which I am curious is -- can a
nasal consonant affect a oral consonant as the later becomes a nasal?

thanks

surmangol

--------------------------------- Hanjabam Surmangol Sharma Department of
Linguistics Manipur University, Canchipur Imphal 795 003 MANIPUR

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