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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello, Patrick. I was referring to the shorter
English verb, "drain". Obviously, I need to fieldtest it, but I *think* English
speakers conceptualize "drain" as when liquid flows from, rather than into. Of
course, if we add the word "into", then we change the conceptualization to be
the same as Cheyenne -estovaotse which would be glossed in English as
'drain.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your comments,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----<BR>Wayne Leman<BR>Cheyenne website: <A
href="http://www.geocities.com/cheyenne_language">http://www.geocities.com/cheyenne_language</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hanks@bbaw.de href="mailto:hanks@bbaw.de">Patrick Hanks</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vkarzi@PATAKIS.GR
href="mailto:vkarzi@PATAKIS.GR">Varvara Karzi</A> ; <A title=arum@brandeis.edu
href="mailto:arum@brandeis.edu">arum@brandeis.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Lexicog] Draining corpora</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Wayne, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How reliable are our intuitions? There's
nothing odd about English "drain into".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How reliable is corpus data?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I work with two corpora -- the British
National Corpus (100 million words)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and Associated Press 1991-92 (150 million words).
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are 1651 occurrences of the verb <FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>drain</STRONG></FONT> in BNC, </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>which include:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>47 "drain into".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>11 "drain out". (</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Surprisingly, no occurrences of "drain out
of".)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>161 "drain from".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In AP there are 1318 occurrences of the verb
<FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>drain</STRONG></FONT>, which include:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>53 "drain into".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>43 "drain out (of)".</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The meaning seems to be affected by the choice of
preposition -- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>tributaries
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>draining into the Colorado River" -- but
"the blood drained </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>from his face". (Where did </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>it drain into - his boots? Wrong question!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FrameNet has this verb in the Removing and <FONT
face=Arial size=2>Emptying frames.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT
face=Arial size=2> Both </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2>frames </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2>specify frame elements </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Source - Path - Goal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>It </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>may be more accurate to say that in draining we
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>conceptualize the </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>flow </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>from </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2>source to goal </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>and that either
source or goal or both may be </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>thematized </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>explicitly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patrick</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
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