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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=078104122-22022005></SPAN><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>Olá, </SPAN>M<SPAN class=078104122-22022005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3>argarita,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>Like you I do not consider the examples I mentioned as
"sexist". But some groups have a problem</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>with terms including the word/syllable "man" in
the English language and consider the use of e.g.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>"mankind" instead of "humankind" as "sexist." Well,
some salute the flag of inclusive language, others</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>don't.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>You seem to have a healthy self-esteem as a Portuguese,
like many Austrians I know who even get a kick</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>out of the many jokes the Bavarians (from my part of
Germany) tell about them. I think we all know</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN class=078104122-22022005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>and feel when a joke is good-natured teasing or a nasty
put-down.</FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>At one time, t<SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>wo</SPAN> of the most insulting terms that could be
used against <SPAN class=078104122-22022005> </SPAN>a person were
nigger<SPAN class=078104122-22022005> </SPAN>and kike.<SPAN
class=078104122-22022005> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005>T</SPAN>hose who once bore the brunt of the
aforementioned insults have <SPAN class=078104122-22022005>all the right to
label those who hurl</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=078104122-22022005>them as
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>racist<SPAN
class=078104122-22022005> </SPAN>and anti-semitic.</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=078104122-22022005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Tchau,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=078104122-22022005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Fritz</FONT></SPAN></P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=078104122-22022005> </SPAN><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>You focus one point I would like to have expressed
before and that only my deficient English expression prevented me for
doing.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>I don't consider expressions as the one you mention
being strictly sexist. They are facts of the language. When I talked about
sexist expressions, I was thinking about things like "sexo fraco / sexo forte"
to refer to, respectively, female and male people.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>I also do not consider that saying from something
"It's Greek to me" is offensive to the Greek people: I can argue that if
they do difficukt things, it's because they are intelligent, more intelligent
than we are.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>I also don't feel offended by expressions about
Portuguese people like the French "Les portugais sont toujours gais",
or by the many jokes Brazilian tell about us.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>Of course I consider offensive expressions about Jews
(we also have them in Portuguese!) or about Black (we have many of them!),
because they attempt against human basic principles, like freedom, honesty,
etc., and they remind us historical facts which are shamefull (like slavery,
expulsion of Jews from Portugal during the 16th century, nazism,
etc.).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>But of course these are all very personnal ways of
seeing things, they vary across cultures, they vary with time, social
class, etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>This is why I previously said that, as a
lexicographer, I don't feel apt to decide alone what is or is not correct in
the society I live in.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=168393618-22022005>Margarita</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=pt dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Mensagem original-----<BR><B>De:</B> Fritz Goerling
[mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org] <BR><B>Enviada:</B> terça-feira, 22 de
Fevereiro de 2005 20:19<BR><B>Para:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Assunto:</B> RE: [Lexicog]
stereotypical beliefs and lexicography<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=828291220-22022005></SPAN>C<SPAN class=828291220-22022005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3>ould you conceive of marking certain
words as "sexist" in a general dictionary which are considered as
"sexist"</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=828291220-22022005></SPAN><SPAN class=828291220-22022005></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>b<SPAN
class=828291220-22022005>y certain people, like:
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=828291220-22022005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=828291220-22022005>mankind, man-made,
manpower, manslaughter,
manhole</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=828291220-22022005>Fritz
Goerling</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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