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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=828291220-22022005></SPAN>C<SPAN
class=828291220-22022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3>ould you conceive
of marking certain words as "sexist" in a general dictionary which are
considered as "sexist"</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=828291220-22022005></SPAN><SPAN
class=828291220-22022005></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=3>b<SPAN class=828291220-22022005>y certain people, like:
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=3><SPAN class=828291220-22022005>mankind, man-made, manpower, manslaughter,
manhole</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=3><SPAN class=828291220-22022005>Fritz
Goerling</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=503393317-22022005><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#0000ff size=2>I can add a story in a different direction.
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<DIV><SPAN class=503393317-22022005><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#0000ff size=2>When I worked in Tetum-Portuguese dictionary with Luís
Costa, (Tetum is the vehicular language spoken in East-Timor) we decided to
include unpolite names of sex organs and corporal functions, as we
thought that it could be usefull for instance for Portuguese doctors to
communicate with their pacients. However, all those entries were marked as
unspite and they only contained a remission to the polite equivalent
term.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=503393317-22022005><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#0000ff size=2>It's worth saying that the dictionary was mostly thought
of as a way of preserving East-Timor culture (it was started long before the
process of independence, in 1995) and, if the independence of the country ever
occurred, as a way to promote cooperation with Portugal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=503393317-22022005><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#0000ff size=2>Well, I can tell you that, in spite of the way we
treated those terms, our iniciative was very criticized in East-Timorese
society, specially within Church members, who considered very shocking to see
such words in the dictionary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=503393317-22022005><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#0000ff size=2>Margarita</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=pt dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Mensagem original-----<BR><B>De:</B> Chaz and Helga Mortensen
[mailto:chaz_mortensen@sil.org] <BR><B>Enviada:</B> terça-feira, 22 de
Fevereiro de 2005 17:23<BR><B>Para:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Assunto:</B> Re: [Lexicog]
stereotypical beliefs and
lexicography<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Friends,<BR><BR>In regard to Wayne's
comment below and to Margarita's experience with the journalist, I would
have to agree. I went through the same questions in regard to sex organs and
related vocabulary. I asked a N. Embera pastor if these should be included
in a dictionary and he, without hesitating, said, "Yes, because we need to
know all the words in our language."<BR><BR>-Chaz<BR><BR>On Feb 22, 2005, at
11:21 AM, Wayne Leman wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Where do we draw the
line, Fritz? My own thinking on the matter is that we do not draw the
line. My preference for lexicography is to be exhaustive, and I prefer
that for dictionaries also. But I believe we can mark rascist entries as
being rascist, vulgar entries as vulgar, xenophobic entries as xenophobic,
etc. If a term or phrase is used in a rascist manner by speakers of a
language, that fact is part of its lexical information and deserves to be
in a dictionary.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Wayne<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>-----<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Wayne
Leman<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>http://committed.to/fieldtesting<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>W<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>ayne
and Thapelo,<?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>Where
do we draw the line? If we have a politically correct dictionary,<?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>certain
entries will be marked sexist, racist, or homophobic or not even<?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>be
mentioned. Of course, there are dictionaries of certain subcultures,<?/color><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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