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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear Fritz,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There is such Arabic word indeed (the
correct transcription should be <span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>khayma</span></span><span
class=GramE>(</span><span class=SpellE>tun</span>), the <span class=SpellE>pausal</span>
form <span class=SpellE>khaymah</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However it is by no means proven as
related to Ger. <span class=SpellE>Heimat</span>. To prove it linguistically,
you should find out<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>how</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> Semitic phoneme |<span class=SpellE>kh</span>| shows itself in the
Indo-European, also you should prove that this Arabic word had existed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>in some Semitic or Afro-Asian languages
older than North Arabic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See my review on Theo <span class=SpellE>Vennemann’s</span>
book in the Linguist List. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Hayim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Fritz Goerling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:59
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Lexicog] Equivalents
for German "Heimat"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>H</span></font><font color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>ans Muhammad,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your name is most interesting: German and
Arabic.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So is what you say about Kheimat. Only I
would be very surprized if there were any</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>connection between Arabic Kheimat and
German Heimat.The origin of the German word</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>is according to Grimm's dictionary:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:maroon;font-style:italic'>Heimat; Old
High German. heimoti; Middle High German. heimôte, heimote, heimôt,
heimuôt </span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:maroon'>The Staatslexikon
(Herder-Verlag; Sp. 1235) points to the common germanic root <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>heim </span></i></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><font size=3 color=maroon face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:maroon;font-style:italic'>(see
related engl. home); word stem: heimüete, heimot </span></font></i><font
color=maroon face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:maroon'> </span></font><font
face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Fritz Goerling</span></font><font
color=maroon face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;color:maroon'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=maroon face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:maroon'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:
.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello dear LEXICOGRAPHERS:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The German word Heimat reminds me of the word <strong><b><i><u><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-style:italic'>Kheimat</span></font></u></i></b></strong>
or <strong><b><i><u><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-style:italic'>Khema</span></font></u></i></b></strong>
"tent". For a desert dweller, this means his home, homeland,
beloved home... etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A more nationalistic word used nowadays is <strong><b><i><u><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-style:italic'>watan</span></font></u></i></b></strong><em><i><u><font
face="Times New Roman">.</font></u></i></em><strong><b><font
face="Times New Roman"> </font></b></strong>( <em><b><i><u><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-weight:bold'>t</span></font></u></i></b></em> ,
here, is an emphatic consonant).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A more sentimenal word is:<em><b><i><u><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-weight:bold'> balad</span></font></u></i></b></em>. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="mailto:Muhammadmh2002@yahoo.com">Muhammadmh2002@yahoo.com</a><br>
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<em><b><i><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-weight:bold'>apa mapa
<apamag@yahoo.com></span></font></i></b></em> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have lived in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Thailand</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
My language for "hometown" is "ºéÒ¹à¡Ô´"(ba:n-kert) or
"ºéÒ¹à¡Ô´àÁ×ͧ¹Í¹" (ba:n-kert-muang-no:n). If you would like to say
"home", you have to say "ºéÒ¹" (ba:n)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Phornpimon <br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Fritz Goerling
<Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am looking for equivalents
in other languages for German</span></font></tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">"Heimat" in its sentimental sense.
"Heimat" in German can </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">mean one's home country, one's "fatherland,
homeland" </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">(speakers of other languages refer to their
"motherland"). </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">In its sentimental sense one can paraphrase the
concept as </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">a safe haven, a familiar, comfortable, tranquil
place,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">a place where one feels loved." </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">English "home" comes the closest to
German "Heimat" in </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">expressions like "home is where the heart
hurts." Or</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">"Wo ist deine Heimat?" can be translated
into English</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">by "Where is home for you?" (although
German "Heim" and</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">English "home" are also equivalents in a
more concrete</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">sense).</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Fritz Goerling</font></tt></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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