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<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
curious as to why you are using sub-entries to handle forms that are identical
to the citation form. The normal way to handle such things is to merely list
them as separate senses, or if they are different parts of speech, to enter each
part of speech under the main entry. Sub-entries are normally used for complex
forms--derivatives, compounds, and phrases--that are built on a root (or stem)
that is described in the main entry. This is the model that MDF is built on and
is why it behaves the way it does. If you had a main entry 'apostello' v. 'send
a message' and a subentry 'apostolos' n. 'messenger', then the Finderlist entry
for 'messenger' would read:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>messenger apostolos, see: apostello.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This
indicates that apostolos is the equivalent of messenger, but you have to look
under apostello to find it. In English we would not make love v. a subentry of
love n. or vice versa. The American Heritage Dictionary entry
reads:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>love
n. 1. An intense affectionate concern... v. loved, loving, loves. --tr. 1. To
feel love for....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In a
bilingual dictionary you would have something like this:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>love
n. 1. agape... v. 1. agapao....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Doing
it this way, your Finderlist entries would be:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>agapao
love</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>agape love</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So your
</FONT></SPAN>Toolbox/MDF database entry for kokoro should look something
like:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\lx
kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
v</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de to
sink</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
sink, to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
v.st</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de to
be deep</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
deep, to be</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
n</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de
hole</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
hole</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Doing
it this way would give you three Finderlist entries:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>deep,
to be kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>hole kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>sink,
to kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ron
Moe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><BR><FONT
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Greg and Heather Mellow<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 24, 2005 2:03
AM<BR><B>To:</B> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Lexicog] Shoebox help<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>I would appreciate
some help with Shoebox.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>I am using
Shoebox/MDF to produce a dictionary. When I export into a Finderlist some of
the entries don’t look right.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>For example, my
Shoebox entry for (kokoro, verb, sink) has a main entry and two
sub-entries that have different parts of speech, (kokoro stative verb, deep)
and (kokoro, noun, hole). Since the surface form of the two subentries is
identical to the main entry, the Finderlist entries for the two subentries
become:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2></FONT></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>deep (water) <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I>,<I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> see: kokoro</I>.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>hole <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I>,<I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> see: kokoro</I>.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>It is undesirable
to have the equivalent word apparently stated twice. Is there some way of
making Shoebox/MDF give just a single equivalent?</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>Like
this:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>deep (water) <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>hole <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>Regards,
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